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[Stargrave]

I think the price is in step with the quality - the amount of detailing, better quality control, more paint, fewer empty gaps and voids. It's like we're now getting the step just beneath Masterpiece quality with a price point to match. I admit I'm not made out of money either, but I do feel you get what you pay for. At least as far as they go today. We're seeing TF's that are straight up action figures. The Voyager Optimus is as poseable as a Revoltech almost. They're like Marvel Legends only with alt modes lol. I ramble but I think they're really making a stab at getting good products to fans who wish they could afford Masterpieces, and also taking their properties back from the 3rd party companies. I'm seeing stuff in the Siege line that I feel the 3rd party companies have been cranking out year after year (Tetrajets, a G1 Magnus, Sixshot). I mean my god there's what 872 versions of "not Devastator" now it's about time Hasbro said hey, eyes back over here, here's the official stuff made better. I wasn't a fan because of price alone out the gate, but they've won me over.

[william-james88]

There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?

Hey at least we had the G2 sets for Combiner Wars.

...except Defensor.

Thats neither here nor there, I am asking which sets actually gave us a retail price that was a package deal. Those didn't. That hasnt been a thing with Transformers (or any collectable line, looking at Stars Wars and Marvel Legends) for at least 15 years.

[Rainmaker]

There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?

Over here in Australia buying the SS Bumblebee 2-pack was cheaper than buying 2 SS Deluxes, surprisingly. Same with the Bumblebee cassette pack, it only cost $45 AUD and included 3 legends class figures and a one-step.

[Zeedust]

Spinout is already taken, he's the red redeco of Sunstreaker. And a Chef... Who got promoted to a field commander... Because the Cons ripped tjrough everyone else above the chain of command.

There's actually two Spin-Outs, or two versions of Spin-Out, however you want to interpret it. There's the version you're talking about from the "Of Masters and Mayhem" universe, and there's also this guy from "Last Stand of the Wreckers", who does bear a very slight resemblance to Sideswipe:



Neither one lived very long, getting killed by Toxitron and Overlord respectively. So the name's probably available, though I doubt anyone would want to have it at this point.

There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?

That actually did happen, albeit rarely, especially with dedicated sets. The latest that comes to mind was that yellow RiD Landfill redeco for Black Friday 2003, sold at the price of 2 of his 4 components.

To be fair, 2003 was a long time ago.

And there's certainly times when they went in the opposite direction, like the AoE "evolution" Grimlock set, which cost the same as the one for Optimus even though Optimus's was two Voyagers while Grimlock's was literally a Voyager and a half.

[sol magnus]

Well I already have a Skywarp, so as cool as his small collection of minions is, I was always going to pass on that pack. The Firestormers, on the other hand, definitely have my attention. Seeing Slamdance with his color scheme flipped will kinda take some getting used to, but I really appreciate his guns being silver to reference his cassette origin, him getting his own new accurate head sculpt, and really just the fact that he exists. The G2 Swipe looks good too, that alt mode looks badass in black and red, and the red windshield is a nice touch. If they end up fixing Red Alert before they release him, I guess my two uses of this mold will be headcanoned to be twins?

It's nice to see Slam Dance back, even if not in cassette form.

G2 Sideswipe instead is quite pointless, unless it is meant to represent a new character sharing its deco (something that I previously read referred to Soundblaster).

I'm curious about the Targetmasters, although Skywarp alone would justify getting them.

I guess in my "personal continuity" G2 Sideswipe would have to be a different character. Lambo? Spinout? Fish-Tail?

Spinout is already taken, he's the red redeco of Sunstreaker. And a Chef... Who got promoted to a field commander... Because the Cons ripped tjrough everyone else above the chain of command.

I'm intending to name mine Deadline if I get him, as that sounds too much like a generic TF name for me to actually believe it's never been used, and of course a guy with that name would be black and red.

I like it. Might "steal".

[no-one]

I'm intending to name mine Deadline if I get him ...snip... and of course a guy with that name would be black and red.

The evilest of all Decepticons

[Skritz]

So I was wondering: what are the odds of seeing a Soundwave retool into Blaster? Its unlikely for Siege but it could happen later either for Selects or as part of the second part of this trilogy, assuming we see currently-used molds being retooled for a later line. That seems still possible because there's no need for line-wide gimmicks that are as intrusive as they were for Prime Wars (as far as we know, anyway, maybe WFC part 2 and 3 will do things differently!).

While a Blaster retool would need at minimum a new head, given Hasbro's current expertise at retooling I could see the entire lower body of Soundwave getting retooled with design elements/greebles a bit more in line with Blastar. Likewise, if Micromasters remain a thing I could see them redeco and retool some of Soundwave's chest minions to fit Blaster and, in turn, possibly redeco a new pair of Rewind/Eject into Rumbke/Frenzy.

Of course its all speculation but given the GEEWUN pandering I expect Hasbro to not waste a chance to retool Soundwave into Blaster. Or I could be partially wrong, with Blaster being an entirely new mold with a ground altmode but retaining the main chest gimmick.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

So I was wondering: what are the odds of seeing a Soundwave retool into Blaster? Its unlikely for Siege but it could happen later either for Selects or as part of the second part of this trilogy, assuming we see currently-used molds being retooled for a later line. That seems still possible because there's no need for line-wide gimmicks that are as intrusive as they were for Prime Wars (as far as we know, anyway, maybe WFC part 2 and 3 will do things differently!).

While a Blaster retool would need at minimum a new head, given Hasbro's current expertise at retooling I could see the entire lower body of Soundwave getting retooled with design elements/greebles a bit more in line with Blastar. Likewise, if Micromasters remain a thing I could see them redeco and retool some of Soundwave's chest minions to fit Blaster and, in turn, possibly redeco a new pair of Rewind/Eject into Rumbke/Frenzy.

Of course its all speculation but given the GEEWUN pandering I expect Hasbro to not waste a chance to retool Soundwave into Blaster. Or I could be partially wrong, with Blaster being an entirely new mold with a ground altmode but retaining the main chest gimmick.

New head and tape deck, minimum, maybe even new legs which is very easy to pull off nowadays. I mean look at the differences between TR Blaster and Soundwave. For his cassettes... Ravage into Ramhorn?

[sol magnus]

Of course its all speculation but given the GEEWUN pandering I expect Hasbro to not waste a chance to retool Soundwave into Blaster. Or I could be partially wrong, with Blaster being an entirely new mold with a ground altmode but retaining the main chest gimmick.

I'd welcome a Blaster retool, but "GEEWUN pandering?" It's probably more like "we know who butters our bread."

[william-james88]

I am sick of blaster from redecos even when Soundwave has a tapedoor. The two are supposed to be distinct to eachother in every way. Redecos will always be unsatisfying, no need for another placeholder to waste money on.

[Skritz]

I just think the odds of a 100% original mold for Blaster is unlikely. Not impossible, just unlikely. Soundwave's newest mold is so abstract (being a flying brick-lampost-tape deck) that it wouldn't be impossible to see Blaster as anything from a minor to a massive retool. The chest cavity definitely need to stay (as do maybe the arms) but anything else could certainly see re-engineering.

[Nemesis Primal]

Just got back from a late Endgame showing and feeling hyped, so while I should probably be going to bed, instead I'm going to do something odd and talk about that card game I don't play. See, I just read the article about new cards, and apparently the card game is going full-on Siege now (which I definitely knew beforehand), which made me think about the possibility of seeing reveals of future characters through the cards. They in fact just revealed a bunch of new characters according to said article, but in terms of whether the cards are WFC reveals, here's what I'm thinking:

Alpha Trion: Nope, that's old robot mode art and what looks like a Siege-styled version of his TR ship mode.
Nightstick: Maybe? I don't know enough about BattleTargetmasters to be able to tell if that's the old Nightstick mold or not for certain, but I think it's the old one.
Needlenose: Without a doubt, this is his design for if he won the poll, there's no way it isn't. He has unique guns, one of which appears to have a transformation hinge at the base of the barrel, he has robot mode kibble on the underside of his tetrajet mode, and he has a unique tetrajet mode compared to the Screamer mold. Given we're seeing other old poll losers get their figures (Magnus, Shockwave, Omega Supreme), I think this is absolute confirmation a Deluxe Tetrajet mold is coming later in WFC. We kinda speculated those characters would show up later anyway, but still.
Trailbreaker: Looks like Siege-styled art of the Thrilling 30 figure, so probably no.
Ratchet: We know Ratchet is coming, but that looks like the old Universe mold to me.
Wheeljack: That's the old Generations figure with a smaller chest and more red. If it were a Siege Jackie, it would turn into the Cybertronian box-car, Warden even said so.
Mudslinger: Yeah. We already saw the retail Off-Road Patrol, but that character is so obscure in a sea of numerous Micromasters that I can't see them giving cards to any of them that aren't getting new figures to promote. He's presumably in the leaked/rumored multi-pack then, meaning there are new molds included in that.

...that's all I got, g'night.

[ZeroWolf]

While I love your deduction, I'd take it with a grain of salt as Wizards will probably go off on their own tangent with the cards given thay they are covering the fall of Cybertron in the next few waves, so it remains to be seen how far they go with synergy, especially given they could handle the tcg like magic and have three/four expansions/waves per calendar year.

[Sabrblade]

Needlenose: Without a doubt, this is his design for if he won the poll, there's no way it isn't. He has unique guns, one of which appears to have a transformation hinge at the base of the barrel, he has robot mode kibble on the underside of his tetrajet mode, and he has a unique tetrajet mode compared to the Screamer mold. Given we're seeing other old poll losers get their figures (Magnus, Shockwave, Omega Supreme), I think this is absolute confirmation a Deluxe Tetrajet mold is coming later in WFC. We kinda speculated those characters would show up later anyway, but still.

Unfortunately, this isn't the case. According to a podcast interview TFW2005 did with the TCG Brand Manager Drew Nolosco, the TCG design for Needlenose was done by the TCG team independently from Hasbro, without any toy in mind.

[Lunatic Prime]

I noticed a flaw on Six-Gun:
When you fold in his "toes" they tilt a bit like you can see below.



This seems to be a general factory assembly error because his "toes" are interchanged. They look pretty much identical but they aren't. You just have to interchange them to their right sides and everything is fine. No more clearance issue afterwards.

[cruizerdave]

I was able to get a Titan's Return Trypticon on the cheep a few weeks back at Ross (check your local Ross!).
It's a great figure, and the Fulltilt headmaster that came with it is a solid deluxe all the way around.
This all has me excited for the new Brunt figure in the Seige line. Do you think he'll have some interactivity with Trypticon? Or will he be like SixGun and not really have any good options for being integrated with Metroplex?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I was able to get a Titan's Return Trypticon on the cheep a few weeks back at Ross (check your local Ross!).
It's a great figure, and the Fulltilt headmaster that came with it is a solid deluxe all the way around.
This all has me excited for the new Brunt figure in the Seige line. Do you think he'll have some interactivity with Trypticon? Or will he be like SixGun and not really have any good options for being integrated with Metroplex?

Aside from the 5mm ports? None of the Weaponizers do. The Legends Manga did show a mode with Cog forming an arm-mounted gun for Fortress Maximus, but that's it.

[cruizerdave]

I was able to get a Titan's Return Trypticon on the cheep a few weeks back at Ross (check your local Ross!).
It's a great figure, and the Fulltilt headmaster that came with it is a solid deluxe all the way around.
This all has me excited for the new Brunt figure in the Seige line. Do you think he'll have some interactivity with Trypticon? Or will he be like SixGun and not really have any good options for being integrated with Metroplex?

Aside from the 5mm ports? None of the Weaponizers do. The Legends Manga did show a mode with Cog forming an arm-mounted gun for Fortress Maximus, but that's it.

It's kind of too bad, but I understand why. I mean, you couldn't have pulled off a deluxe sized SixGun with Metroplex scaled blaster legs.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I noticed a flaw on Six-Gun:
When you fold in his "toes" they tilt a bit like you can see below.



This seems to be a general factory assembly error because his "toes" are interchanged. They look pretty much identical but they aren't. You just have to interchange them to their right sides and everything is fine. No more clearance issue afterwards.

Huh, I thought that was just how he was designed, didn't really think of it as an assembly error

[Sabrblade]

I noticed a flaw on Six-Gun:
When you fold in his "toes" they tilt a bit like you can see below.



This seems to be a general factory assembly error because his "toes" are interchanged. They look pretty much identical but they aren't. You just have to interchange them to their right sides and everything is fine. No more clearance issue afterwards.

Huh, I thought that was just how he was designed, didn't really think of it as an assembly error

Yeah, I just tried switching the feet, myself, and I honestly can't see any difference in effect either way.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I noticed a flaw on Six-Gun:
When you fold in his "toes" they tilt a bit like you can see below.



This seems to be a general factory assembly error because his "toes" are interchanged. They look pretty much identical but they aren't. You just have to interchange them to their right sides and everything is fine. No more clearance issue afterwards.

Huh, I thought that was just how he was designed, didn't really think of it as an assembly error

Yeah, I just tried switching the feet, myself, and I honestly can't see any difference in effect either way.

The effect is subtle, power to you if you can see the difference. At least that can be fixed, unlike with Prime Dreadwing and AoE Leader Grimlock.

Do the feet pieces have markings like "R" and "L"?

[Lunatic Prime]

I noticed a flaw on Six-Gun:
When you fold in his "toes" they tilt a bit like you can see below.

This seems to be a general factory assembly error because his "toes" are interchanged. They look pretty much identical but they aren't. You just have to interchange them to their right sides and everything is fine. No more clearance issue afterwards.

Huh, I thought that was just how he was designed, didn't really think of it as an assembly error

First me, too. I thought it's for the A-stand but then I became suspicious because it doesn't make any sense due to Six-Gun having ankle tilts anyway. I examined the feet noticing the clearance issue and that the toe parts have different widths next to the hinch. You can see that difference in the picture.

Do the feet pieces have markings like "R" and "L"?

I'll check that as soon as I'll be back home

UPDATE: Click here

[MadProject]

I noticed you can use Sixgun as a glider, other than a backpack.

[Lunatic Prime]

I noticed you can use Sixgun as a glider, other than a backpack.

Yep

[Lunatic Prime]

Do the feet pieces have markings like "R" and "L"?

Yes, they do have. After swapping them they are on their right sides now so before they have definitely been assembled wrong.