Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby KVO Prime » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:59 am

This is like those promos where there's one item you want but you have to buy all the crap that comes with it to get it. Leader class price points just because they come with little targetmasters? What if I don't want to pay that high of a price. I like it better when they keep the meat and potatoes separate. I want Skywarp but not at leader price. Ugh.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Coptur » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:02 am

KVO Prime wrote:This is like those promos where there's one item you want but you have to buy all the crap that comes with it to get it. Leader class price points just because they come with little targetmasters? What if I don't want to pay that high of a price. I like it better when they keep the meat and potatoes separate. I want Skywarp but not at leader price. Ugh.


yep couldn't agree more

I want Greenlight & Skywarp but begrudge paying top tier for toys that don't deserve the price point even shockwave was vastly over priced
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:06 am

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Y'all are acting like this is something new when we've had this same kind of exclusive boxed set stuff before with the Titans Return boxed sets and all the BotCon boxed sets.

And, seriously, no one is forcing any of you to buy these. If you don't want them, don't buy them.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:20 am

Motto: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"
Or as others have suggested, sell the parts you don't want and get a little money back. There's always a demand on the secondary market for individual components of some sets. I really wanted to the exclusive Prime Masters that came with Punch & Blastoff, but not the figures themselves (I already had UW Blastoff, and I didn't want Punch), so thankfully i foudn them right away at a reasonable price, but now, you'd be hard pressed to find them.

If anyone gets Skywarp, and doesn't want the 3 BattleMasters, let me know, I'll pay fair compensation for them.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:28 am

I think the takeaway here is that Hasbro is planning some exclusive sets for niche markets. Even if one of these toys doesn't hit your OWN personal niche, we should ALL be rejoicing that they are doing this. We don't have Botcon to fill that gap, so I'm so glad they found an avenue for some oddities.

As for me — someone who witnessed the downfall of the franchise with the end of G1 toys and comics — the resurrection of Transformers in G2 was a joyous occasion. The comic had fantastic art by Geoff Senior and writing by Furman. The vintage molds returned to the shelf with a fresh twist.

SO I'll be first in line to get this G2 Sideswipe. It evokes great memories and stands for the franchise's return to greatness.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:40 am

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Primus I'm blind: I just now realised the Battle Masters are color-matched with their owner. That means the one in the Firestormer pack is matched to G2 Sideswipe. Would that mean he's enhanced with forestonite as well? 8-}
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:07 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:If I was in a different place in my life Siege would have me so excited! But right now I'm mostly happy about Greenlight. Out of everyone here she has me the most happy because I just don't have any version of her at all. She's one step towards my goal of getting all the Seasons 1 - the movie characters. Bring on Lancer.

Reason why you don't have a version of her is because this is her first toy period. Not even third parties have made her. I'm really excited to see first time figures and I'll definitely try to get her.

Oh, I know. That's what makes me so happy about it.

Where I am now, I have to be pickier about my purchases. And, I have to admit, buying multiples of the same character isn't always great, even if the new mould is an improvement. Like, Jetfire looks awesome, but I'm happy with 30 Jetfire and I was decently happy with Classics, I don't actually *need* a new version for my collection to be considered complete.

But Greenlight fills a few niches. Female TF, Season 1 -> the movie character, character who never got a toy ... it's all good. It'd be nice if there were more female TF moulds, but that's okay. I'm really glad I get to flesh out my cast.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:15 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Y'all are acting like this is something new when we've had this same kind of exclusive boxed set stuff before with the Titans Return boxed sets and all the BotCon boxed sets.

And, seriously, no one is forcing any of you to buy these. If you don't want them, don't buy them.


The difference with these is that I don't have to travel to another country to a packed convention or scour the aftermarket for x300 times the original price. Yeah they are overpriced exclusives but they're nowhere as bad as the Botcon stuff.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:50 pm

Skritz wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Y'all are acting like this is something new when we've had this same kind of exclusive boxed set stuff before with the Titans Return boxed sets and all the BotCon boxed sets.

And, seriously, no one is forcing any of you to buy these. If you don't want them, don't buy them.


The difference with these is that I don't have to travel to another country to a packed convention or scour the aftermarket for x300 times the original price. Yeah they are overpriced exclusives but they're nowhere as bad as the Botcon stuff.

I am honestly surprised over this discussion. The Titans Return multipacks gave us a good idea of what Hasbro had in store for us and people were very much on board with them. The only issue was the availability in certain markets. this is more of the same but on a smaller scale.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:52 pm

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Skritz wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Y'all are acting like this is something new when we've had this same kind of exclusive boxed set stuff before with the Titans Return boxed sets and all the BotCon boxed sets.

And, seriously, no one is forcing any of you to buy these. If you don't want them, don't buy them.


The difference with these is that I don't have to travel to another country to a packed convention or scour the aftermarket for x300 times the original price. Yeah they are overpriced exclusives but they're nowhere as bad as the Botcon stuff.


Overpriced? Lets see here:

Firestormers
G2 Sideswipe, Deluxe: $20
Slamdance, Deluxe: $20
"G2 Sideswipe's Battle Master": $6

Total: $46

Skywarp
Skywarp, Voyager: $30
"Battle Master Trio": 3 x $6 = $18

Total: $48

Considering Hasbro doesn't believe bulk lowers the price, and rounds up to the nearest Price Point, Leader at $50? Yeah, paying a few bucks more than one should, but that's been the name of the game ;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:10 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Skritz wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Y'all are acting like this is something new when we've had this same kind of exclusive boxed set stuff before with the Titans Return boxed sets and all the BotCon boxed sets.

And, seriously, no one is forcing any of you to buy these. If you don't want them, don't buy them.


The difference with these is that I don't have to travel to another country to a packed convention or scour the aftermarket for x300 times the original price. Yeah they are overpriced exclusives but they're nowhere as bad as the Botcon stuff.


Overpriced? Lets see here:

Firestormers
G2 Sideswipe, Deluxe: $20
Slamdance, Deluxe: $20
"G2 Sideswipe's Battle Master": $6

Total: $46

Skywarp
Skywarp, Voyager: $30
"Battle Master Trio": 3 x $6 = $18

Total: $48

Considering Hasbro doesn't believe bulk lowers the price, and rounds up to the nearest Price Point, Leader at $50? Yeah, paying a few bucks more than one should, but that's been the name of the game ;)


Just so we are clear, the leader price point mentioned was based on comparable listings in another currency. It is to give a ballpark idea of what this will cost. It can be that the sets end up a little higher when the actual USD price is revealed. Not much though since this is all in line with the idea of rounding up and not not lowering the price on bulk (which I realize now was never the case with Hasbro).
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:27 pm

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Agreed. With CW Box Sets you got a Voyager (roughly $25 at the time) 4 deluxes ($15 x 4 at the time) and a legends ($10 at the time) that equals $95.00, most box sets were $100, except for the Platinum LioKaiser.

For TR those sets came with a Leader ($45 at the time) Voyager ($25 at the time) Deluxe ($15 at the time), Legends Class ($10 at the time), and a *die-cast* TM most valued around $5.00 So that equals exactly $100, which is what the Velocitron set cost at TRU. The exclusivity of the Siege set priced it a little more, but, even now, almost 2 years later -the price did go up for a time, but these seem to have found new stock with online retailers since BBTS & TFSource both have them in stock currently for $119.00.

Add on to that, since some individual components are obviously more highly desired than others, you can sell certain ones for quite a nice profit, and even take a loss on some others if you are just looking to get rid of them.

The only part that doesn't make sense is this... The Combiner Wars sets obviously had a Theme. The TR ones did, if you squinted really hard ;) (Speed, Strength, etc...)

But...The Firestormer pack is as about as Random and without purpose as you can get...I guess it could be worse and they could have included Greenlight and tried to sell it for $70 (so glad they did not), but G2 Sideswipe & Slamdance would have been much better off sold separately.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:58 pm

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o.supreme wrote:Add on to that, since some individual components are obviously more highly desired than others, you can sell certain ones for quite a nice profit, and even take a loss on some others if you are just looking to get rid of them.


I can see G2 Sideswipe doing well on the aftermarket, given his BCCC predecessor. Almost makes me want to get Siege Swipe in preparation :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:55 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Y'all are acting like this is something new when we've had this same kind of exclusive boxed set stuff before with the Titans Return boxed sets and all the BotCon boxed sets.

And, seriously, no one is forcing any of you to buy these. If you don't want them, don't buy them.


But if you want the character this is the only way to get it so there really isn't a choice is there? Also for all we know the poor guy could be hanging over a vat of acid and his only hope of being let down is to buy the Skywarp set.

There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:53 pm

Well at any rate, I do want that Skywarp and I like the Battlemaster molds so I'll figure out a use in my collection for these guys. Purple ptero-dudeis definitely becoming the Battlemaster to my Hun-Gurr, for one thing. Don't know if any of those will get a name or be assigned the identity of pre-existing Targetmasters. Guess we'll see.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:24 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:28 pm

william-james88 wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?


Hey at least we had the G2 sets for Combiner Wars.

...except Defensor. :(
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:35 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?


That actually did happen, albeit rarely, especially with dedicated sets. The latest that comes to mind was that yellow RiD Landfill redeco for Black Friday 2003, sold at the price of 2 of his 4 components.

At any rate, I have my sights set on the Firestormers set and Greenlight. Skywarp, eh... may hunt for the FoC version of him and Thundercracker. The Skywarp Battle Masters are appealing, but that's my love for small figures talking :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby 00Stargrave00 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:07 pm

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I think the price is in step with the quality - the amount of detailing, better quality control, more paint, fewer empty gaps and voids. It's like we're now getting the step just beneath Masterpiece quality with a price point to match. I admit I'm not made out of money either, but I do feel you get what you pay for. At least as far as they go today. We're seeing TF's that are straight up action figures. The Voyager Optimus is as poseable as a Revoltech almost. They're like Marvel Legends only with alt modes lol. I ramble but I think they're really making a stab at getting good products to fans who wish they could afford Masterpieces, and also taking their properties back from the 3rd party companies. I'm seeing stuff in the Siege line that I feel the 3rd party companies have been cranking out year after year (Tetrajets, a G1 Magnus, Sixshot). I mean my god there's what 872 versions of "not Devastator" now it's about time Hasbro said hey, eyes back over here, here's the official stuff made better. I wasn't a fan because of price alone out the gate, but they've won me over.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:36 pm

Skritz wrote:
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chuckdawg1999 wrote:There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?


Hey at least we had the G2 sets for Combiner Wars.

...except Defensor. :(

Thats neither here nor there, I am asking which sets actually gave us a retail price that was a package deal. Those didn't. That hasnt been a thing with Transformers (or any collectable line, looking at Stars Wars and Marvel Legends) for at least 15 years.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rainmaker » Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:40 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?


Over here in Australia buying the SS Bumblebee 2-pack was cheaper than buying 2 SS Deluxes, surprisingly. Same with the Bumblebee cassette pack, it only cost $45 AUD and included 3 legends class figures and a one-step.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Zeedust » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:33 pm

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Flashwave wrote:Spinout is already taken, he's the red redeco of Sunstreaker. And a Chef... Who got promoted to a field commander... Because the Cons ripped tjrough everyone else above the chain of command.

There's actually two Spin-Outs, or two versions of Spin-Out, however you want to interpret it. There's the version you're talking about from the "Of Masters and Mayhem" universe, and there's also this guy from "Last Stand of the Wreckers", who does bear a very slight resemblance to Sideswipe:

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Neither one lived very long, getting killed by Toxitron and Overlord respectively. So the name's probably available, though I doubt anyone would want to have it at this point. :lol:

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william-james88 wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:There are still some of us who remember buying figures in a set meant you got a bit of a deal over buying them separately, those days are gone I guess.

When was the last time that actually happened with Transformers?


That actually did happen, albeit rarely, especially with dedicated sets. The latest that comes to mind was that yellow RiD Landfill redeco for Black Friday 2003, sold at the price of 2 of his 4 components.

To be fair, 2003 was a long time ago.

And there's certainly times when they went in the opposite direction, like the AoE "evolution" Grimlock set, which cost the same as the one for Optimus even though Optimus's was two Voyagers while Grimlock's was literally a Voyager and a half.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby sol magnus » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:47 pm

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Nemesis Primal wrote:Well I already have a Skywarp, so as cool as his small collection of minions is, I was always going to pass on that pack. The Firestormers, on the other hand, definitely have my attention. Seeing Slamdance with his color scheme flipped will kinda take some getting used to, but I really appreciate his guns being silver to reference his cassette origin, him getting his own new accurate head sculpt, and really just the fact that he exists. The G2 Swipe looks good too, that alt mode looks badass in black and red, and the red windshield is a nice touch. If they end up fixing Red Alert before they release him, I guess my two uses of this mold will be headcanoned to be twins?

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sol magnus wrote:
mentre83 wrote:It's nice to see Slam Dance back, even if not in cassette form.

G2 Sideswipe instead is quite pointless, unless it is meant to represent a new character sharing its deco (something that I previously read referred to Soundblaster).

I'm curious about the Targetmasters, although Skywarp alone would justify getting them.

I guess in my "personal continuity" G2 Sideswipe would have to be a different character. Lambo? Spinout? Fish-Tail?

Spinout is already taken, he's the red redeco of Sunstreaker. And a Chef... Who got promoted to a field commander... Because the Cons ripped tjrough everyone else above the chain of command.

I'm intending to name mine Deadline if I get him, as that sounds too much like a generic TF name for me to actually believe it's never been used, and of course a guy with that name would be black and red.

I like it. Might "steal".
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Postby carytheone » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:55 pm

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Nemesis Primal wrote:I'm intending to name mine Deadline if I get him ...snip... and of course a guy with that name would be black and red.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:07 pm

So I was wondering: what are the odds of seeing a Soundwave retool into Blaster? Its unlikely for Siege but it could happen later either for Selects or as part of the second part of this trilogy, assuming we see currently-used molds being retooled for a later line. That seems still possible because there's no need for line-wide gimmicks that are as intrusive as they were for Prime Wars (as far as we know, anyway, maybe WFC part 2 and 3 will do things differently!).

While a Blaster retool would need at minimum a new head, given Hasbro's current expertise at retooling I could see the entire lower body of Soundwave getting retooled with design elements/greebles a bit more in line with Blastar. Likewise, if Micromasters remain a thing I could see them redeco and retool some of Soundwave's chest minions to fit Blaster and, in turn, possibly redeco a new pair of Rewind/Eject into Rumbke/Frenzy.

Of course its all speculation but given the GEEWUN pandering I expect Hasbro to not waste a chance to retool Soundwave into Blaster. Or I could be partially wrong, with Blaster being an entirely new mold with a ground altmode but retaining the main chest gimmick.
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