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[Autobot N]

(And with that can I just say how much I love them using the same engineering for combiners and headmasters over multiple lines?)

Hey, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

[o.supreme]

Thinking Logistically Siege has been (more or less)...

Wave 1/Q1 (January 2019)
Wave 2/Q2 (April 2019)
Wave 3/Q3 (July 2019)
*presumably*
Wave 4/Q4 (October 2019)

If they now try to throw in a 5th wave at the end of 2019...does this mean the 2020 line gets pushed back to starting in Spring/Q2 of 2020, or are these wave 5 releases going to be very limited and extremely hard to find tail enders echoing the woes of past lines??

[Randomhero]

Well I’ll eat my hat and admit I was wrong about astrotrain and apeface being just rumors and I couldn’t be happier. Always happy to be wrong and yet more figures HOWEVER...what the $&%# was the point of the fan vote if spinister is there and Wheeljack is on other chrxters art?!?!

[joevill]

These look pretty bad ass!

[Nathaniel Prime]

great reveals, no doubt, but the news has me a little confused....Spinister was part of the fan poll (which a winner is not supposed to be announced until sometime in July...but I guess we know who the winner is... )

Wrong fan poll

Darn...One wonders how you could get Spinister & Needlenose confused...Just showing my lack of knowledge of the 1988 line, even though I have both from the TFCC Thunder Mayhem Squad . Keeping these as late Siege (wave 5?) works for me. The reveals are nice, but makes me more excited for what Hasbro will reveal at SDCC for the 2020 line.

To be fair, I bet everyone expected Spinister in the next line. I think this is the first time where the loser of a fan vote still ends up in the line.

[frogbat]

My only complaint bout astrotrain thus far is that he’s not a commander size version to go toe to toe v jetfire and that like jetfire, I already have two previous incarnations.

Crosshairs... would hope they give him a battle master add on! Was hoping for a kup repaint but this will do. Hope to acquire the g1 version one day.

Spinister- quite cool, always liked choppers. And we always need more deceptions.

Apeface... looks the part! As with crosshairs he’s been in my want list both for the original toy and for has to to give us a chug version,

So it’s an all buy for me, even though I’m avoiding repaints, crosshairs will be a buy after skipping ratchet.

[Nemesis Primal]

I SAID THERE WAS MORE SIEGE TO BE REVEALED BY THE CODE NUMBERS AND NO ONE BELIEVED ME! WHO'S CRAZY NOW!

...ahem. Now that I got that out of my system, Apeface and Spinister are guaranteed buys, Crosshairs is a meh but we'll see, and Astrotrain looks amazing but doesn't bode well for my "Only buy 2 Leader figures a year at full price" policy. Also, this throws the point I made a while back about figuring out everyone's alternate heads sculpts out the window, since now we know the Ironhide mold has three head sculpts (and the verdict is still out on Skywarp). I'm really just happy about Spinister though, I was afraid we weren't going to see him for a while after he lost the poll, but now I'm hopeful for Wheeljack. Spinister and Wheeljack came second in that, right? I guess that was good enough for Hasbro to consider them safe bets.

...Also the shout-out to IDW in his write-up gives me hope for more old IDW characters again, even though I know it shouldn't.

[william-james88]

Well I’ll eat my hat and admit I was wrong about astrotrain and apeface being just rumors and I couldn’t be happier. Always happy to be wrong and yet more figures HOWEVER...what the $&%# was the point of the fan vote if spinister is there and Wheeljack is on other chrxters art?!?!

The point is that it guarantees which characters you will get. Others may happen if hasbro wants it to, but at least you can be assured that the winners will happen and happen first.
I dont see anything wrong with that. I wouldnt want to live a world where a character losing means I will never get him.

[Wolfman Jake]

I'm very happy to see Astrotrain and Apeface at last after that store inventory leak months ago. Astrotrain looks AMAZING, too. I loved the Legends version of the Titans Return mold already, but this one is just PERFECTION! My hope is that he's about the same size as Titans Return Blitzwing and Octane. I have a feeling that the Leader Class price point has more to do with parts count and complexity of assembly. This is almost like getting a cheap Masterpiece figure in a regular retail line.

Apeface looks great too. It looks like he's definitely compatible with the Titans Return Titan Master system. I'm pretty sure the Titan Master for robot mode fits into the back of the beast mode head to fill it out. It's not exactly how it worked in the original G1 toy, but it's close enough, without having to engineer a new kind of modern Headmaster unit with two different faces. We can only hope they've got Snapdragon waiting in the wings to be revealed too.

Spinister is not surprising, given that we found out that one of his Targetmaster buddies, Hairsplitter/Shrute, was part of the upcoming "Skywarp" gift set. I have a sneaking suspicion we might soon see a "Singe" Battle Master as well. I guess Hasbro REALLY wanted Spinister to win the fan poll last time. That makes me think that we'll be seeing a new Deluxe Class Wheeljack in the not so distant future, whether it's part of the tail-end of Siege or part of the 2020 War for Cybertron line, maybe along with Needlenose and Tracks?

Crosshairs is a very welcome surprise. The reuse of the Ironhide mold is fine. It does the job pretty well, all things considered. I hope this means we are also getting a Pinpointer Target Master as well.

Is there any indication that these are the ONLY new reveals for SDCC 2019? Or are these just a taste of what we're going to see? If nothing else, I hope we get the official reveal of the "35th Anniversary" repaint figures and the Micro Master multipack we heard about a while back.

Siege really has shaped up to be a great line for Transformers. It's just as exciting, maybe even more so, as when we were in the midst of Titans Return. More please!

[Cyber Bishop]

I'll buy them all!

[Lunatic Prime]

Why does Spinister have two cockpits? I mean I know what the G1 figure looks like but couldn't they have just splitted it or only put it on one leg? That's AoE Snarl fake leg details 2.0. At least it looks cool



But WHY do the twin gatling guns have different colors in robot and in bot mode? And again I know what his G1 Targetmasters look like.

[no-one]

So at this point is it safe to assume the following?

WFC-S34 = Ratchet
WFC-S48 = Spinister
WFC-S49 = Crosshairs
WFC-S50 = Apeface
WFC-S51 = Astrotrain

Still got 44 - 47 out in limbo though.

I nabbed Siege Springer today and damn am I impressed. I didn't thing it'd be possible to usurp T30, but he did in every way. Tight joints, dense plastic, a complex but fun, satisfying and surprisingly intuitive (for a triple changer) transformation. Can't recommend him enough. All modes are solid and interesting to get him into. Bot mode has fun posability and he comes with a tone of accessories.

[AcademyofDrX]

Thinking Logistically Siege has been (more or less)...

Wave 1/Q1 (January 2019)
Wave 2/Q2 (April 2019)
Wave 3/Q3 (July 2019)
*presumably*
Wave 4/Q4 (October 2019)

If they now try to throw in a 5th wave at the end of 2019...does this mean the 2020 line gets pushed back to starting in Spring/Q2 of 2020, or are these wave 5 releases going to be very limited and extremely hard to find tail enders echoing the woes of past lines??

There hasn't been any confirmation of which line they're a part of. Screen Rant only said "War for Cybertron." TFWiki has created new Siege waves for these figures, while some other news sites have speculated this is for the 2020 line. I'm sure it will be clarified at SDCC, if not sooner.

[Randomhero]

What is going on with spinisters legs?!?! He’s got a leg that’s a fake front of his alt-mode

[Jtprime17]

If we go by what the Decoder website is saying theese guys are most likely #48-51 of siege

https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/teletraan1

data-number="48" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="49" data-faction="autobot" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="50" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="51" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

[Randomhero]

Why does Spinister have two cockpits? I mean I know what the G1 figure looks like but couldn't they have just splitted it or only put it on one leg? That's AoE Snarl fake leg details 2.0. At least it looks cool



But WHY do the twin gatling guns have different colors in robot and in bot mode? And again I know what his G1 Targetmasters look like.

Coz it’s just a CGI model. Coloring error

[Lunatic Prime]

Apeface:
We can only hope they've got Snapdragon waiting in the wings to be revealed too.

That's exactly what I hope, too. I'm waiting for Snapdragon since Titans Return now. I only care about Apeface because he means we will get a Snapdragon (this time for real, not like in TR where there was only a Titan Master for Apeface).
I mean Apeface doesn't look that bad but the robot is just nice to me, the jet mode is just a square tile with wings and a cockpit and the beast mode is blocky and carries his vehicle parts on his back but still looks kind of cool. I think the colors do him a lot of favor. But I have to say I love his ape head. Still not enough to want him. My Snapdragon will end up with a tiny Apeface sidekick

[Wolfman Jake]

Lunatic Prime, I was about to respond to your comment about the Apeface Headmaster transformation, but when I went to "quote" your post, I noticed you had stealthily deleted the reply to me altogether, lol! I guess that means you came to understand yourself what I meant when I said this new solution doesn't work exactly the same as the G1 version, but still has a similar spirit to it, yes?

So at this point is it safe to assume the following?

WFC-S34 = Ratchet
WFC-S48 = Spinister
WFC-S49 = Crosshairs
WFC-S50 = Apeface
WFC-S51 = Astrotrain

Still got 44 - 47 out in limbo though.

Pointblank, Sureshot, Snapdragon, and a redo of Quake, perhaps?

[AcademyofDrX]

If we go by what the Decoder website is saying theese guys are most likely #48-51 of siege

https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/teletraan1

data-number="48" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="49" data-faction="autobot" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="50" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="51" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

Or maybe they'll continue using this site and feature for the next part of the trilogy, and they'll continue the same numbering scheme. There's evidence either way, and we'll know soon enough.

I have a very simple question: if Hasbro wanted to announce these figures as part of Siege, why didn't Screen Rant do that? What value does it have for Hasbro to not call that out?

I'm telling you, they're going to announce the next wave at SDCC, or NYCC at the latest.

[bluecatcinema]

These guys all look great. Even Crosshairs.

[Jtprime17]

From Screenrant.

https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/1 ... 7819628544

EXCLUSIVE: Take a look at @Hasbro's newest wave of @Transformers War For Cybertron figures https://buff.ly/2ZMV0SB

[DR0hNO]

IS it me or could ApeFace be repainted as Optimus Primal? also, all but Crosshairs looks meh at best

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

These Battle Masters are 100% not what I wanted for G1 homage Targetmasters. I like the new ones just fine, but the G1 "updates" are really poor representations of the G1 Targetmasters. They are definitely a cheap cop-out with all of the recolors. Definitely prefer the route that Takara did with the Legends line, but still bummed there was no Nightstick or Fracas released.

Meh, the Takara Legends Targetmasters are part of the problem IMO. They started the whole "All gun modes have the same basic engineering and arrangement of limbs" thing, and Aimless' shoulder details come from Hasbro copying the Legends toy instead of looking at the 1987 version.

https://screenrant.com/new-transformers-war-cybertron-figures/

Leader class Astrotrain



Voyager class Apeface w/ Titan Master Spasma



Deluxe class Spinister



Deluxe class Crosshairs

Oh, YES! I was hoping that Astrotrain being Leader-class would mean he was finally getting a tender!

So much awesomeness!

And Will I don’t think you’re a downer at all I think you make good points. For me the reimagined tetrajet just works and is fun to transform I’m totally going off personal preference. And me and my older brother it was always like he had Skywarp and Sideswipe I had Starscream and Sunstreaker it just takes me back

While I do take issue with the shape, my criticism here was more with the colours.

I'm more bugged by the face choice than by the splotchy battle damage paint.

Well I’ll eat my hat and admit I was wrong about astrotrain and apeface being just rumors and I couldn’t be happier. Always happy to be wrong and yet more figures HOWEVER...what the $&%# was the point of the fan vote if spinister is there and Wheeljack is on other chrxters art?!?!

The point is that it guarantees which characters you will get. Others may happen if hasbro wants it to, but at least you can be assured that the winners will happen and happen first.
I dont see anything wrong with that. I wouldnt want to live a world where a character losing means I will never get him.

Yeah, the polls aren't "winner take all". They're more a way of gathering interest & demand data.

My only complaint bout astrotrain thus far is that he’s not a commander size version to go toe to toe v jetfire and that like jetfire, I already have two previous incarnations.

Crosshairs... would hope they give him a battle master add on! Was hoping for a kup repaint but this will do. Hope to acquire the g1 version one day.

Astrotrain was more in Blitzwing's size league anyway, even if he played the same role for the Decepticons that Skyfire did for the Autobots. Looking at the pics, his robot mode is probably Voyager-size - the loco-to-shuttle transformation looks to be identical to the original toy's and the robot mode looks likewise similar, meaning that his locomotive mode's new tender isn't part of them by default.

As for Crosshairs...


I think the closed vehicle mode back and chest slope of SIEGE Ironhide make him work better than TR Kup.

[no-one]

So at this point is it safe to assume the following?

WFC-S34 = Ratchet
WFC-S48 = Spinister
WFC-S49 = Crosshairs
WFC-S50 = Apeface
WFC-S51 = Astrotrain

Still got 44 - 47 out in limbo though.

Pointblank, Sureshot, Snapdragon, and a redo of Quake, perhaps?

If we're talking 44-47 they should be BMs or MMs if Hasbro's secret code site is to go by. I can't seem to be able to keep up with this thread and was wondering if I missed any rumors or leaks.


Can't say I'm not disappointed in Crosshairs as a Ironhide redeco though. Unfortunately it's probably the best we'll see of that character for a while though.

I'm good with TR Astrotrain, but I am impressed with what I'm seeing here. Doesn't seem to be a partsformer either.

Apeface and Spinister though, on my radar

[Jelze Bunnycat]

All rightie...

Everyone has already said the things I'd have wanted to say, except that a 4th wave with new figures in the larger Classes is kind of surprising, let alone new molds, but I guess it makes for a smoother transition into the next line without any major gaps.

Crosshairs is... interesting from a tooling standpoint. He's not merely an Ironhide retool, but an alternate head retool it looks like. Ratchet has some reshelling done akin to CW Dead End into Streetwise.