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[Autobot N]

In fact that's some people's thinking (as seen further up) that they've made this move to ensure WfC 3 has plenty of space for BW by shoving G1 into Studio Series.

Which makes a lot of sense. And by putting a bunch of the 86 figures in SS, they can celebrate two anniversaries in two lines.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

When I think about it. As far as active pre-movie G1 characters go we have:

Prime
Four Dinobots
Perceptor

Megatron
Soundwave + Cassettes
Devastator
Insecticons
Starscream

[Decepticon_Mortality]

I hope that this is a new sub-line, but i'm definitely excited for it. I know a lot of people think that it should just be in earthrise, but earthrise is kind of a stylized line while the studio series looks to capture the exact on-screen likeness. I'm not sure if i'll pick up any of the figures listed here, but we'll probably be getting other characters like Rodimus Prime and Galvatron that I'll definitely pick up.

[Tuned Agent]

I hope these releases aren't going to be as small as the other Studio Series toys. Otherwise it'd be hard to warrant a purchase, no matter how good they look. Although, realistically speaking they probably will be.

Still, 86 movie toys are my whole thing, so I may be all-in on this. Despite having so many recent good movie-based toys. Titans Blur and Kup are alright.

This move is still baffling, though. An 86 movie line should probably include Prime and .... that'd be Earthrise Prime. And then there's Alicon, Arcee, Springer, and Ultra Magnus too.

Who's to say they won't be in there somehow. Those listing are for Deluxe class figures, right? Springer and Ultra Magnus aren't going to be deluxe sized.

But Springer and Ultra Magnus just got good figures in Siege. Outside of retooling Ultra Magnus to give him a more G1-accurate alt mode, I'm not sure what new figures would do that the Siege versions didn't already do. They would just take up slots that could be used for characters like the Dinobots or some Junkions.

[Autobot N]

Outside of retooling Ultra Magnus to give him a more G1-accurate alt mode, I'm not sure what new figures would do that the Siege versions didn't already do.

Design a set of armor that fits around ER Prime instead of having Siege Ultra Beer-Gut with his weird proportions

[ZeroWolf]

Outside of retooling Ultra Magnus to give him a more G1-accurate alt mode, I'm not sure what new figures would do that the Siege versions didn't already do.

Design a set of armor that fits around ER Prime instead of having Siege Ultra Beer-Gut with his weird proportions

Would there be much point? We never saw him with a white Prime in the movie (it was really just a toy/Dreamwave comics only thing) maybe they should have a go and doing Combiner Wars UM just more G1 toon styled

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I don't really understand the comparison between this line to WFC. Studio Series has nothing to do with WFC.

How to envision what The '86 Movie Studio Series would look like. What is the ethos this line is based on? Look to the original Bayformers figures, then their SS counterparts.

[sol magnus]

I don't really understand the comparison between this line to WFC. Studio Series has nothing to do with WFC.

How to envision what The '86 Movie Studio Series would look like. What is the ethos this line is based on? Look to the original Bayformers figures, then their SS counterparts.

The evidence suggests we've already seen one of them - Cyclonus - who is a WFC scaled (and styled) figure.

And to the point about Springer. There'd be no reason to do 'another' since his Cybertron mode is his Earth mode, but they could do a repaint. Gotta get the most out of those molds.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I still think that Cyclonus looks like something from Cyberverse. Barely a passing glimpse to what he actually looks like in The Movie. Certainly not something you would associate with the quality of the SS line.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

I’m curious what the Voyagers are for the new SS wave - we have the deluxe wave and Grindor for the Leader, but nothing about voyagers. I can’t think of many voyagers from 07-DOTM that haven’t been done yet, so my next most wanted SS voyager would probably be Evasion Mode Optimus.

[Tuned Agent]

I don't really understand the comparison between this line to WFC. Studio Series has nothing to do with WFC.

How to envision what The '86 Movie Studio Series would look like. What is the ethos this line is based on? Look to the original Bayformers figures, then their SS counterparts.

I still think that Cyclonus looks like something from Cyberverse. Barely a passing glimpse to what he actually looks like in The Movie. Certainly not something you would associate with the quality of the SS line.

That Cyclonus had some of the 3mm blast effect pegs on it, so if it is an upcoming SS figure, then the SS86 figures are definitely meant to co-exist with WFC.

Speaking of Cyclonus, he'll probably look better once he's painted and transformed properly.

[blackeyedprime]

Interesting and I'd definitely be down for the tfs that werent that accurate in wfc. If the dinobots are leader class Hasbro has pretty much granted a wish (though they will just be voyagerish ). Earthmode Magnus will be nice too provided his trailer functions as a car carrier/lowering ramps etc. I dont think I need another blitzwing or insecticons but hasbro might prove me wrong. Plus a potential SS arcee may be better than earthrise but I dont have my hopes set that high.

Kind of weird that they are not starting with Optimus and Megatron in the 86 line up and return of the gun wooop (glavatron better have his gun mode too even it wasnt featured in the movie).

[ZeroWolf]

Actually one thing that WfC has in common with SS is that both falls under the Generations banner. Just that recently generations became short hand for G1.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

That Cyclonus had some of the 3mm blast effect pegs on it, so if it is an upcoming SS figure, then the SS86 figures are definitely meant to co-exist with WFC.

I wouldn't really think a standardised peg to be indicative of anything at the moment. Lets be honest as well. HasTak aren't going to re-invent the wheel with Studio Series. They aren't going to completely overhaul the molds they've been using up until now. I wouldn't expect a Supreme Cheetor here, given they are two thirds into the current line.

Speaking of Cyclonus, he'll probably look better once he's painted and transformed properly.

That won't change the fact he is Fat Cyclonus. Which to me is inherent to a stylised aesthetic, like Cyberverse. The Movie character design was not stylised. Especially in the designs of the Unicron re-formatted Decepticons, who were sleek and uniform.

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair, that Cyclonus was a test shot, so could still be changed and in no way should be indictive of the final product. Can't see it as Cyberverse myself anyway as that lines future is in doubt with the show ending and he wasn't a character on the show.

[Betenoire]

Given how upended this year has been already. If there was even remote chance of something to commemorate the 20th anniversary of Car Robots, I don't think that's happening now.

Sadly I think Car Robots is going to be an all but forgotten part of Transformers history. With so few re-releases -the God Magnus is the only one I can remember- in Japan I don't know we will ever see much in the future.

Heck, there doesn't seem to be enough interest for anyone in the US to sign Car Robots (though that may be a case where Shout Factory! has the rights in a package deal and just doesn't see it as worthwhile) so unless Michael Bay (or his successor) hires a director who loves that part of the franchise there probably won't be a push in the US to help get a groundswell here either.

Maybe we will see a Masterpiece Fire Convoy that will help re-ignite it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

*grumbles* Can't even get a US release of Car Robots or Beast Wars II and Neo on DVD *grumble*

[-WonkoTheSane-]

This would make me very happy. I'd really like to have definitive versions of the 86' cast, All unified by the same aesthetic, By being in the same line.
I think this has the potential to be something great.
I haven't been much into Hasbro's recent offerings (not like I used to be, Eg, Buying the entire line) But this... This could draw me back in.
Hope it turns out to be true.
Count me in!

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Actually one thing that WfC has in common with SS is that both falls under the Generations banner. Just that recently generations became short hand for G1.

Not really. Generations started as the late 2010 refresh label of the Classics/Universe line. But beginning with Age of Extinction they started classifying the movie toylines as "Generations" for some reason, at least as far as the price labels were concerned (packaging, not so much). Although the movie lines were still priced differently from the nostalgia line.

Regarding the unconfirmed leaks, the ones not mentioned in the news article...
Hot Rod, I'll have to wait and see. I'm certain he's a Voyager for the sake of accessories. But the TR/Legends version is so good already, and what we really need is a new Leader-class Rodimus Prime with a Voyager-height robot and a camper shell battle station. Hopefully there will be word of that soon.
Scourge, I'm iffy about him being a Voyager because that's prohibitive for army-building.
Rodimus Prime and Wreck-Gar are the two designs that need a revisit the most.

I'll be interested to see how they do Dino.

[Nemesis Primal]

Regarding the unconfirmed leaks, the ones not mentioned in the news article...
Hot Rod, I'll have to wait and see. I'm certain he's a Voyager for the sake of accessories. But the TR/Legends version is so good already, and what we really need is a new Leader-class Rodimus Prime with a Voyager-height robot and a camper shell battle station. Hopefully there will be word of that soon.
Scourge, I'm iffy about him being a Voyager because that's prohibitive for army-building.
Rodimus Prime and Wreck-Gar are the two designs that need a revisit the most.

I'll be interested to see how they do Dino.

I am also interested in Dino, particularly to see how they handle the arm blades: will they be separate accessories, or will they made of alt mode parts or something like Stinger's gun and Sideswipe's blades?

Tentatively curious to see if this Jazz listing is some kind of battle damaged/"Alternate Universe" repaint of movie Jazz, or a WFC-ish 86 Jazz, I could do with a G1 Jazz.

Also the leaker stated before going dark that a "potentially divisive" Rodimus Prime with trailer is coming in WFC 3/Kingdom, along with some more BW confirmations, so there's that for you. Hope whatever is "divisive" about it doesn't ruin it for you in some way.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Dino's arm blades will probably be separate accessories. They're more complex in shape than Sideswipe's and integrating them is, IMO, beyond a Studio Series deluxe. I'm interested in seeing how they genericize his altmode

"Divisive" might just mean it's a Leader-class toy that doesn't make all the parts into one big robot; we've certainly seen people complain about that.

[Tuned Agent]

That Cyclonus had some of the 3mm blast effect pegs on it, so if it is an upcoming SS figure, then the SS86 figures are definitely meant to co-exist with WFC.

I wouldn't really think a standardised peg to be indicative of anything at the moment. Lets be honest as well. HasTak aren't going to re-invent the wheel with Studio Series. They aren't going to completely overhaul the molds they've been using up until now. I wouldn't expect a Supreme Cheetor here, given they are two thirds into the current line.

I'm just saying that if the design team didn't intend for these SS86 figures to fit in with and be displayed with figures from WFC, then they wouldn't have designed them to be compatible with a gimmick from WFC. But that's just me.

[Mindmaster]

I’d be down for new versions of Kup, Blurr, and Jazz, provided they followed the current Generations trend of just them being them and not adhering to any wonky combining or Headmastering.

Dino and Jolt, yes please. I’m really hoping Bee is a do-over of his VW design, the only thing I like about the current VW Deluxe is the fact I can give his blade to the blatantly superior Jeep Bee.

[ZeroWolf]

I did hear rumours that Bee is going to be a redeco of Cliffjumper with a new head, or should that be old head Afterall Cliffjumper is a heavy retool of jeep bee, so Bee will be a redeco of Cliffjumper who was a retool of Bee in the first place...

[-Kanrabat-]

I’d be down for new versions of Kup, Blurr, and Jazz, provided they followed the current Generations trend of just them being them and not adhering to any wonky combining or Headmastering.

Dino and Jolt, yes please. I’m really hoping Bee is a do-over of his VW design, the only thing I like about the current VW Deluxe is the fact I can give his blade to the blatantly superior Jeep Bee.

Yup. Literal mini-masterpieces. No Combining, no headmastering, no Trypophobia inducting ports everywhere. Budget Masterpieces, like the SS line is supposed to be.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I’d be down for new versions of Kup, Blurr, and Jazz, provided they followed the current Generations trend of just them being them and not adhering to any wonky combining or Headmastering.

Dino and Jolt, yes please. I’m really hoping Bee is a do-over of his VW design, the only thing I like about the current VW Deluxe is the fact I can give his blade to the blatantly superior Jeep Bee.

Yup. Literal mini-masterpieces. No Combining, no headmastering, no Trypophobia inducting ports everywhere. Budget Masterpieces, like the SS line is supposed to be.

You seriously have that big a problem with the C.O.M.B.A.T. ports? O.O In any case, I wouldn't get your hopes up about them not having those. I'm fairly certain the SS86 figures are WFC overflow

Also, I have to laugh at your saying the SS line is supposed to be mini-masterpieces. I mean sure, there's some figures that live up to that, but...

Why people bag on the Titans Return headmaster gimmick on Blurr, Kup, Hot Rod, etc. is beyond me. It looks fine, and it means their cockpit works instead of just being a dummy feature or a plain white rectangle for a windshield. And on Blurr, the headmaster thing works perfectly shape-wise. The standard Titan Master ridge on the back of Hyperfire's legs even matches a protrusion on the back of Blurr's cartoon head.. Really, the only failing of TR Blurr was the colors. And on Kup, the main problem was the Hasbro version's oblong arms. Hot Rod's failing is the chestplate (The TR version can't hide the engine block, and the Legends version doesn't tab in), not the head.