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IAmThePeej wrote: The amount a movie makes in a box office does NOT dictate if a movie is good or not. Let's use another movie as an example, Avatar. This movie (Avatar) made over $2 BILLION worldwide, yet its nothing more than a horrible rip off of Pocahontas. Its a movie that assumes the entire audience is either too young to understand what's going on or is mentally handicapped by beating the plot over your head, telling you what is going to happen and 5 minutes later, what was described happened. The movie was even mocked during a recent award show (I forget exactly which one at the moment though).
IAmThePeej wrote: So by saying "deal with it", you mean, we have no choice but to watch what has been churned out whether its good or not? Not true, we have the ultimate voice at the end of this all, or rather our money does. If we don't like it, we can simply not pay for tickets to see the movie, not pay for the toys, or stationary or any other form of merchandise based on it.
IAmThePeej wrote:I really don't remember anyone saying anything about how weak Prime was, to be honest, it was a good idea, making him like that to make the odds seem to be in the Decepticons' favour. Also, just because people want a darker story, doesn't mean the characters have to all be mass murderers. That is just alienating its core audience, which as we all know, are children between the ages of 8 and 15. It is possible to have a dark vision, but not have death every scene.
IAmThePeej wrote: There is one major difference between Uwe Boll and Michael Bay. Uwe knows he's making horrible movies, he purposely does so. He has admitted he makes them bad. He is able to make a better movie, but doesn't.
IAmThePeej wrote: Bay, on the other hand, seriously thinks his movies are as good as say, Francis Ford Coppola's. HE BELIEVES that people WANT to see what he makes, no matter what it is. HE thinks he's Hollywood's only good director. He is an arrogant prick who has no ability and should be blacklisted from any and all movies.
IAmThePeej wrote:I feel that if Boll wanted to really apply himself, he could actually make a very decent film. Remember, I said decent, not great, spectacular or amazing. But if he put more than $1,000,000 behind a movie he makes, the results could make him known for films that aren't fully horrid.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Sodan-1 wrote:TIP: If you want to show people stupid just post that photo of yourself.
budmaloney wrote:Regarding the fan made film, why not?
What about TF Mosaic? Have you seen the quality of stories/characters/art delivered by Mosaic. Some of them are amazing. They're probably better than some IDW stories.
Noideaforaname wrote:I think a lot of these "atrocities" people keep harping about have been done before, actually. For instance Devastator's pun-ish balls were preceded by G1 Megatron and Shockwave's trigger crotches, Legion's phallic tongue, and Thunderblast's nipples (or are we just going to forgive that one because it's "sexy").
Autobot032 wrote:budmaloney wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:budmaloney wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!
You misquoted me, now all the following posters think I actually write like that. But thank you for summarizing my points for me, Bay does suck, there is no story here, and truly characterization is absent. You nailed it.
He does not suck. Who gives a damn? I don't care. Deal with it.
We've been dealing with Bay since 2007! He had three movies, enough already. 2011 should end it,they shouldn't make a TF4 with Bay.
And are you sure he doesn't suck?
Robot Testicles, weak Decepticons, lunatic Optimus Prime, mute Bumblebee, Pig Ironhide, fragile Devastator, Shockwave's eye being shot out, Cybertron Destroyed. Megan Fox. dogs humping each other...
Ohhhh.... You're one of those types.
The type that forgets that there are writers to blame for all of that, as well. Or...do you simply choose to forget? That makes all the difference, you know?
Seriously, Bay's not the only one to blame. I've said it a million times, I don't have the patience or the energy to continue doing so.
I will end my post with this:
It is not ALL Bay's fault. The writers are quite awful and hold most of the blame.
TulioDude wrote:More movies could be cool.
Personally i would prefer more than 2 or 3 years before a sequel.LiKwid wrote:In Tyrese Gibson's mind if there is not another Transformers movie, He'll be out of hollywood, plain and simple. If Transformers hadn't happened, he would have probably started doing straight to dvd movies..HE needs Tf4 to happen..
Thats kinda harsh.I think he has a solid career.budmaloney wrote:There was no need for Sentinel Prime to fight Optimus, he is the autobot leader. What does this teach people and kids, just kill every one and you will be ok? If you disagree with your boss/leader, KILL THEM. If he's the Einstein of your race, maybe you should listen to the mofo. Einstein came up with the theory of relativity and many more. Do we throw that down the toilet, if he says, no I think we should do this.
This isnt what happened.Have you paid attention to the film?budmaloney wrote:We've been played. The entire franchise has been secreted on.
We said the designs are too radical, but we grew to like them. The colors are inaccurate, so we accepted them. The characters are way of their original
Bay is only good for patriotic American films
Dotm was simply appalling, it was a mess.
Enough damage has been done, let us repair ourselves and move on this era of shame.
Plz tf fans, wake up, demand higher quality products, otherwise Tf will always be a mindless franchise designed simply to sell their toys.
This is your opinion,not everyone,.
SlyTF1 wrote:budmaloney wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:budmaloney wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:budmaloney wrote:Bull crap! Bay sucks! No more TF Movies! No story! Characters haz no charikterizatin! More BS!
You misquoted me, now all the following posters think I actually write like that. But thank you for summarizing my points for me, Bay does suck, there is no story here, and truly characterization is absent. You nailed it.
He does not suck. Who gives a damn? I don't care. Deal with it.
We've been dealing with Bay since 2007! He had three movies, enough already. 2011 should end it,they shouldn't make a TF4 with Bay.
And are you sure he doesn't suck?
Robot Testicles, weak Decepticons, lunatic Optimus Prime, mute Bumblebee, Pig Ironhide, fragile Devastator, Shockwave's eye being shot out, Cybertron Destroyed. Megan Fox. dogs humping each other...
Don't care about Devastator's balls, the Decepticons whern't that weak, I LOVED lunatic Optimus; my favorite scene in movie history is Optimus coming in in DOTM and killing all those Decepticons, they had to find a way to make Bumblebee appealing to the kids, Ironhide was more of a dog/bear, he was 7 freaking vehicles taped onto each other, of course he's going to be fragile, They have to find some way to take the bad guys out; I have no idea how shooting Shockwave's eye out would piss anyone off, they never even said that Cybertron got destroyed. Maybe it just got teleported back to where it came from just like the rest of the Decepticons who where transported to earth. You may have a point there. It was 2 seconds long, deal with it.
Noideaforaname wrote:I think a lot of these "atrocities" people keep harping about have been done before, actually. For instance Devastator's pun-ish balls were preceded by G1 Megatron and Shockwave's trigger crotches, Legion's phallic tongue, and Thunderblast's nipples (or are we just going to forgive that one because it's "sexy").
budmaloney wrote:But it still remains when you're having a conversation with some girl about movies and you mention TF, their response is still "oh you like those movies, they're really noisy, shallow, bad acting, etc..."
Burn wrote:budmaloney wrote:But it still remains when you're having a conversation with some girl about movies and you mention TF, their response is still "oh you like those movies, they're really noisy, shallow, bad acting, etc..."
Funny, every female non-TF fan I spoke to absoloutely loved them.
Guess you're just chatting up the wrong chicks.
If I recall correctly, wasn't Sentinel termed the Einstein of their race. Maybe my wording wasn't clear. I meant to say , there was no need for a conflict. Sentinel is the leader right, and if he chose to work with the Decepticons, the Autobots should follow. If they disagree with him, they shouldn't duke it out.
Killing Ironhide is not a big deal, if he was they would have given him a funeral or something. I mean he's the Einstein of their race, he must know something they don't know right? Shouldn't the Autobots have paused and thought about it
budmaloney wrote:If I recall correctly, wasn't Sentinel termed the Einstein of their race. Maybe my wording wasn't clear. I meant to say , there was no need for a conflict. Sentinel is the leader right, and if he chose to work with the Decepticons, the Autobots should follow. If they disagree with him, they shouldn't duke it out.
Killing Ironhide is not a big deal, if he was they would have given him a funeral or something. I mean he's the Einstein of their race, he must know something they don't know right? Shouldn't the Autobots have paused and thought about it.
budmaloney wrote:If I recall correctly, wasn't Sentinel termed the Einstein of their race. Maybe my wording wasn't clear. I meant to say , there was no need for a conflict. Sentinel is the leader right, and if he chose to work with the Decepticons, the Autobots should follow. If they disagree with him, they shouldn't duke it out.
Killing Ironhide is not a big deal, if he was they would have given him a funeral or something. I mean he's the Einstein of their race, he must know something they don't know right? Shouldn't the Autobots have paused and thought about it.
deathy wrote: Going back on topic:
I wouldn't take anything Tyrese Gibson has to say regarding TF4 serious. because he has no inside info..
deathy wrote: Shia aint comming back because he probably won't be asked to come back. the only reason shia stayed so long was because micheal liked him..
deathy wrote: usually toy companies or movie companies don't like to go past a certain number of movies in a certain themed story universe. because the more movies you make,the curse of more is their. examples those rocky movies,superman movies,star trek ,rambo,police academy & so forth.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Autobot032 wrote:So...because Sentinel has "superior" intelligence, he's better than the rest?
"Superior" thinking has led to some of the worst atrocities imaginable. The "simple" thinkers tend to have more of a heart. Those simple thinkers are the people saving the day.
Sentinel thought he was a God. He wasn't. He was ended with a shotgun blast to the back of the head. Where was his superior intelligence then? Oh right, laying on a bridge near Wacker Drive.
You know why he met with Megatron in secret? You know why he took the Spacebridge and hid his plan? Because he knew the Autobots wouldn't allow him to finish this. The Primes destroyed themselves to stop The Fallen, because they made a pact not to destroy worlds filled with life. Sentinel was going to do just that and Optimus would've never stood for it. Never.
Optimus thinks more with his heart and look at how many lives he saved. Sentinel thought with his mind and mind only with no emotion but anger and hatred and look at how many lives he took and how many more would've been lost.
Ironhide was important, we never got to see his funeral because the film moved so fast. He was killed and the betrayal was well on it's way long before the Autobots even knew what to do or how to counter it. You fight the fight now, mourn later. Save lives now, put lost ones to rest later.
Sentinel was wrong. Always was, always has been. Anyone with a conscience should know this. Anyone who agrees with his thinking genuinely scares me.
Why is it right to destroy one planet full of life to save another? Especially one that doesn't deserve it? The Cybertronians tore Cybertron apart. They're lucky to be alive, period. What right do they have to have a planet of their own to begin with? Let alone take ours and our people? None.
Being Einstein doesn't matter much if you can't use that knowledge for good. Even Einstein had regrets, his works didn't always bring good into the world. Sentinel was capable of worse, so much worse. Difference is, Sentinel had no conscience.
What good is knowledge without wisdom?
Dagon wrote:May I add that, admittedly going off the tech specs of a toy, Optimus Prime also has a "10" in Intelligence, as well as Strength and Firepower. Where did that get him in the forest in ROTF? Oh right, dead.
Yet, we as a collective continue to laud Optimus as the best there is.
or at least like, reported him to a higher authority.
I thought it sucked that they never even reference Ironhide's death
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Gyrotron wrote:Dagon wrote:May I add that, admittedly going off the tech specs of a toy, Optimus Prime also has a "10" in Intelligence, as well as Strength and Firepower. Where did that get him in the forest in ROTF? Oh right, dead.
Yet, we as a collective continue to laud Optimus as the best there is.
Erm, the toys and films are considered to have their own continuity by some fans, whether you take it this way or not is your decision...
or at least like, reported him to a higher authority.
Uhm...what, the humans or something? I don't think there are any other Autobots higher than himself that he could've reported him to, without searching galaxies...
I thought it sucked that they never even reference Ironhide's death
He was killed, and the other autobots were all like: "Oh well, let's get back to the story, and let's leave this rust here for the maggots to eat. *spits on Ironhide's rust*"
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Dagon wrote:Well, obviously not the humans, since Sentinel's plan began to form before the Autobots had made the humans' aquaintance. But, the Prime is not the end-all-be-all of Autobot leadership....in the prequal comic for the 07 movie, wasn't it stated that Megatron and Optimus were part of a collalition or governing team on Cybertron before the war erupted? I seem to recall that, although I could be mistaken. IF such a body existed during Optimus and Megatrons' time, it isn't crazy to think that it existed when Sentinel was in charge and on planet. So, it probably shouldn't be difficult to imagine that that would have been the 'higher authority' I was mentioning, as it was what I had thought of while posting.
If all of that is somehow stupid, then the Prime is a totalitarian leader? And so then, how does that make the Autobot leadership structure different from the Decepticons, who are essentially a dictatorship?
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Gyrotron wrote:Dagon wrote:Well, obviously not the humans, since Sentinel's plan began to form before the Autobots had made the humans' aquaintance. But, the Prime is not the end-all-be-all of Autobot leadership....in the prequal comic for the 07 movie, wasn't it stated that Megatron and Optimus were part of a collalition or governing team on Cybertron before the war erupted? I seem to recall that, although I could be mistaken. IF such a body existed during Optimus and Megatrons' time, it isn't crazy to think that it existed when Sentinel was in charge and on planet. So, it probably shouldn't be difficult to imagine that that would have been the 'higher authority' I was mentioning, as it was what I had thought of while posting.
If all of that is somehow stupid, then the Prime is a totalitarian leader? And so then, how does that make the Autobot leadership structure different from the Decepticons, who are essentially a dictatorship?
The problem is, there is possibly no other higher authority on Earth that could take Sentinel, therefore highlighting the statement: "Without searching the galaxies"
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