*sighs* Here we go again.
DTR69 wrote:That's right Has/Tak are so great look at the TF live action movie, look at who they allowd to produce it. Michael Bay, Yeah leave it with him, he'll do us proud. They don't do anything wrong do they.
1.) TakaraTomy had little to no input for the movies. If you watch the credits, or read the bottom of a poster or a DVD/Blu Ray case, you'll see "In Association With Hasbro" or Hasbro Studios. You see no mention of TakaraTomy anywhere. They help design the toys, but Hasbro's running the show on the movies. Don't blame TakaraTomy for that.
2.) Bay did not produce the films. He directed them, and that's a BIG difference. Stephen Spielberg is the executive producer, followed by DiBonaventura and that halfwit Don Murphy. They produce, Bay directs. He has some control over the final product, but they have final say so, along with Paramount and Dreamworks. And if you think the movie company won't step in and tell him to dumb it down, you're wrong. Hasbro has some say so, but not entirely.
3.) No one said anyone was innocent in any of this. However, you're the only one flinging guilt like poo, and for no good reason.
DTR69 wrote:Power core combiners what a refreshing fun idea. You are just as patronising as Hasbro. And They do push transformers in the UK Toys R Us is full of them, it's just the kids don't even know they are there. Hasbro aren't on the ball. Sometimes big companies make mistakes. And when I talk on behalf of people I'm talking about things that they have actualy said to me, you are talking on behalf of people you have never even spoke to or met. And if you weren't so bothered, what's all this I'm reading, and why do you feel the need to shut people up if you don't like what you here, who do you think you are the president of Lybia.
Wow. Ended that one with a flame, eh? Fail. Absolute fail.
I don't know what the current state of affairs is, in terms of TFs, in the UK, but I do know that while you've spoken to a few people and share their opinion...you do not speak for everyone. Your ego allows you to think you do, but it's just an absolute FACT that you do not speak for everyone in the UK when it comes to TFs. You just don't. It's impossible.
People don't want to hear your point of view because it's full of hyperbole, you're abusive in your responses, and you won't hear another person's opinion, no matter what. And you most certainly won't listen to facts, so why would we want to deal with you?
As for Power Core Combiners, they tried it, it apparently didn't work out all that well, and no one's forcing you to buy 'em. So what? It's not the end of the world that they exist.
DTR69 wrote:And you talk about Anerica Beeing the home of Hasbro etc, but it's not the home of transformers, the figures were beeing sold in Japan and eurpoe long before Hasbro brought them to the States. Hasbro maybe successful but they have borrowed alot from others, they are not the creators of great inovations and ideas, and they stil aren't the ones producing the best Transformers, Tf live action movie, Power core combiners, are nothing compare dthe Mp and BT line, and thats nothing to do with hasbro that's Takara. Fansproject have to clean up the mess alot of the times. It's others that have made TFs what they are today, yes Hasbro brought alot of it together, but they need to look long and hard at what they are doing and take note, if it wasn't for the other companies Hasbro's Transformers would not be the great franchise it is today, and if it were left entirely to Hasbro it would be an absolute mess.
America IS the home of TransFormers. You're missing one key piece here...
Yes, Takara created the original molds for their Microman and Diaclone lines. So, yes, they did exist as different robots in different universes, in a rainbow of different colors. They also came with magnetic pilots, making them mechs, not living robots.
Hasbro saw these, and thought they'd be great as a new series, seeing as they hadn't come to the US, or at least not like Hasbro had planned.
Hasbro created the brand TransFormers. Created the names Megatron and Optimus Prime. They utilized Takara's molds, but everything else, and I mean EVERYTHING else is all Hasbro's doing. Hasbro even started designing their own characters that Japan had never seen before.
If it weren't for Takara's original molds, we wouldn't have the designs we've come to know and love, but if it weren't for Hasbro, we wouldn't have the property, the universe, or the characters that we love. There IS a difference, and you either can't see it, or you're unwilling.
Either way, you are wrong on this one. TransFormers is an American based property, created and devised by Hasbro in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Not Takara of Japan.
You seem to be missing one important point. Hasbro and TakaraTomy design the toys together, and have done so for at least a decade.
Binaltech/Alternators? Joint venture.
Masterpiece? Joint venture.
I might have to concede that TakaraTomy are alone in the design of the Alternity figures, in fact, I'm almost certain Hasbro had nothing to do with those, but the rest? They work TOGETHER.
Both are to be praised for the line's strengths, and both are to be put down for the line's weaknesses.
Oh, and one more thing...sure, FansProject and their kin are incredibly talented, and come up with some incredible pieces, but they're also not held back by safety laws and they don't have to factor children into the equation. Hasbro, and to some extent, TakaraTomy, does.
The HasTak designers are capable of coming up with stuff like City Commander and so on, but they're restrained by laws that won't allow them to. HasTak wouldn't be in this game as long as they have been if they didn't know what they were doing. It's been a quarter of a century and then some, and they still wow us every chance they get.
3rd party builds upon preexisting work, and rarely creates something new. It could be argued that Warbot Defender is new, but really, we all know he's their interpretation of a preexisting character made by HASBRO. That doesn't diminish his impact, but it doesn't super special either.
Man, you are entitled to your opinion, but when you won't play fair and you won't even listen to what other people say, we don't want to deal with you. We just don't.
NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.