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by **YeekJat** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:28 pm

Does anyone else think that the autobots got ripped off on their protoforms? Megatron gets to transform into a cool jet, but the autobots get asteroids. That doesn't seem fair.

News Credits: 21 · by **Skice** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:47 pm

perhaps those asteroid like forms are not there orginal forms but some kinda long distance space travle/ or planetary entry mode?

News Credits: 972 · by **i_amtrunks** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:06 am

Autobot420 wrote:perhaps those astroid like forms are not there orginal forms but some kinda long distance space travle/ or planetary entry mode?

I thought that the Autobots had their comet forms purely for travelling through space. Their "true" Cybertronian forms are never revealed.

Because Megatron's alt mode is a Space flight capable jet he has no need for a Space travelling alt mode/protoform mode.

News Credits: 21 · by **Skice** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:09 am

yeah that's what I was saying.

by **Deadpool.** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:30 am

Autobot420 wrote:yeah that's what I was saying.

Whic means you can't consider the protoforms to be unfair. You should say that it's the alternate modes that are unfair. :-?

News Credits: 21 · by **Skice** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:33 am

actually I was just trying to explain why they had those modes i wasn't trying to say if eather one was fair.

News Credits: 2 · by **An_de** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:52 am

Here's what I think: After the AllSpark was launched in space, Megatron tracked it down in his spaceship mode. The Autobots had to scan new alt modes so they can travel in space so they could find the Cube before Megatron did. And their Cybertronian alt modes are never revealed.

by **Deadpool.** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:31 am

An_de wrote:Here's what I think: After the AllSpark was launched in space, Megatron tracked it down in his spaceship mode. The Autobots had to scan new alt modes so they can travel in space so they could find the Cube before Megatron did. And their Cybertronian alt modes are never revealed.

It is said that they had to revert to their protoform modes in order to travel through space.

News Credits: 2 · by **An_de** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:42 am

Den-O wrote:
An_de wrote:Here's what I think: After the AllSpark was launched in space, Megatron tracked it down in his spaceship mode. The Autobots had to scan new alt modes so they can travel in space so they could find the Cube before Megatron did. And their Cybertronian alt modes are never revealed.
It is said that they had to revert to their protoform modes in order to travel through space.

Didn't I just say that?

by **Auto Bot** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:04 pm

Maybe Megatron was originally a squidball mode himself. Then flew into Cybertron some eons ago. That's where he saw a Cybertronian jet, scanned it, and assumed that mode. :shock:

by **red85_optimus** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:46 am

the cybertronian jet mode a lot faster to catch the cube
rather than protoform asteroid..

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:32 am

red85_optimus wrote:the cybertronian jet mode a lot faster to catch the cube
rather than protoform asteroid..

It doesn't matter in space. There's no air resistance to speak of.

But the squidball protoform offers more protection than a Cybertronian jet form, when entering atmosphere from space.

by **Razten Mizuten** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:52 am

Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:02 am

Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

by **Razten Mizuten** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:04 am

Leonardo wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

So if that's the case how were the Autobot's ripped of with their protoforms?

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:10 am

Razten Mizuten wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

So if that's the case how were the Autobot's ripped of with their protoforms?

That is, vs Megatron.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:13 am

Auto Bot wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

So if that's the case how were the Autobot's ripped of with their protoforms?

That is, vs Megatron.

I'm not sure they did get ripped off. I suspect (whether there's any evidence of this in the film or prequels, I can't confidently say) that all Cybertronians had the comet forms, except for Megatron who I'd imagine upgraded himself deliberately. I could be wrong, of course.

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:48 am

Leonardo wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

So if that's the case how were the Autobot's ripped of with their protoforms?

That is, vs Megatron.

I'm not sure they did get ripped off. I suspect (whether there's any evidence of this in the film or prequels, I can't confidently say) that all Cybertronians had the comet forms, except for Megatron who I'd imagine upgraded himself deliberately. I could be wrong, of course.

Megatron fell to Earth, and immediately entered stasis mode. No time to scan or upgrade.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:54 am

Auto Bot wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

So if that's the case how were the Autobot's ripped of with their protoforms?

That is, vs Megatron.

I'm not sure they did get ripped off. I suspect (whether there's any evidence of this in the film or prequels, I can't confidently say) that all Cybertronians had the comet forms, except for Megatron who I'd imagine upgraded himself deliberately. I could be wrong, of course.

Megatron fell to Earth, and immediately entered stasis mode. No time to scan or upgrade.

I meant he probably upgraded himself for interstellar flight on Cybertron.

by **Deadpool.** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:59 am

Leonardo wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

So if that's the case how were the Autobot's ripped of with their protoforms?

That is, vs Megatron.

I'm not sure they did get ripped off. I suspect (whether there's any evidence of this in the film or prequels, I can't confidently say) that all Cybertronians had the comet forms, except for Megatron who I'd imagine upgraded himself deliberately. I could be wrong, of course.

Megatron fell to Earth, and immediately entered stasis mode. No time to scan or upgrade.

I meant he probably upgraded himself for interstellar flight on Cybertron.

Wasn't his alt-mode already a Cybertronian Spacejet? That would enable him to immediately take off....

News Credits: 1093 · by **Alex Kingdom** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:02 am

Psycho Warrior wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
Razten Mizuten wrote:Didn't Starscream have a asteroid protoform too?

Yes, at least in the toy line. One would imagine that they all had asteroid forms, except for Megatron.

So if that's the case how were the Autobot's ripped of with their protoforms?

That is, vs Megatron.

I'm not sure they did get ripped off. I suspect (whether there's any evidence of this in the film or prequels, I can't confidently say) that all Cybertronians had the comet forms, except for Megatron who I'd imagine upgraded himself deliberately. I could be wrong, of course.

Megatron fell to Earth, and immediately entered stasis mode. No time to scan or upgrade.

I meant he probably upgraded himself for interstellar flight on Cybertron.
Wasn't his alt-mode already a Cybertronian Spacejet? That would enable him to immediately take off....

I think that's the point Leo is making. Megatron's alt-mode was already capable of interstellar flight, which could have been an upgrade he made to his alt-mode when he decided to go to earth in search of the Allspark.

Yours AK

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:23 am

Alex Kingdom wrote:I think that's the point Leo is making. Megatron's alt-mode was already capable of interstellar flight, which could have been an upgrade he made to his alt-mode when he decided to go to earth in search of the Allspark.

Yours AK

Exactly. In the prequel comics, we see Megatron has the same jet mode as the movie but maybe at some point in the past (chronologically before the prequel comics started and possibly after he had "gathered an army"), Megatron upgraded himself from a 'domestic' alt.mode to one capable of interstellar flight.

Looking at the comics, it would seem that comet alt.modes weren't their only form as Dreadwing has a jet alt.mode (unless, of course, he and the other Decepticons upgraded from a comet alt.mode at some point in the past).

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:30 am

Leonardo wrote:
Alex Kingdom wrote:I think that's the point Leo is making. Megatron's alt-mode was already capable of interstellar flight, which could have been an upgrade he made to his alt-mode when he decided to go to earth in search of the Allspark.

Yours AK

Exactly. In the prequel comics, we see Megatron has the same jet mode as the movie but maybe at some point in the past (chronologically before the prequel comics started and possibly after he had "gathered an army"), Megatron upgraded himself from a 'domestic' alt.mode to one capable of interstellar flight.

Looking at the comics, it would seem that comet alt.modes weren't their only form as Dreadwing has a jet alt.mode (unless, of course, he and the other Decepticons upgraded from a comet alt.mode at some point in the past).

We need to trace it to the pre-prequel comics!