The Energon Pub

by **Vitatech** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:15 pm

Looking at the story, it was Beast Wars Megatron that made a perfectly ordered society out of Machines. He saw the Organic Emotions as a flaw to a lawful society. Also Machines carry more of a connotation of ordered thought and programing, a lawfulness, where Animals carry more of a connotation of the Chaos of Free-will. For the people that look at how the Maximals/Predicons where before the end of Beast Machines, and say they had a lawful society, i'd point out that that was BEFORE Vector Sigma had Optimus Primal return with such a strong fusion of Organic and Inorganic, ie, everyone was still pretty much just machines. Agree or Disagree? Discuss.

News Credits: 1 · by **doomboy536** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:18 pm

When Bludgeon and the Decepticons leave Cybertron in the aftermath of Unicron's attack, he chooses the Decepticons' next target by stabbing a sword into the map and attacking the planet nearest to it.

Not very "logical" :lol:

by **Rat Convoy** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:27 pm

Or we could just drop all this Lawful/Chaotic nonsense because it doesn't really fit in any case. But I've been saying that ever since Mkall first used the ridiculous D&D alignments.

News Credits: 7 · by **Dragonslayer** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:33 pm

Rat Convoy wrote:Or we could just drop all this Lawful/Chaotic nonsense because it doesn't really fit in any case. But I've been saying that ever since Mkall first used the ridiculous D&D alignments.

Seconded.

News Credits: 1 · by **doomboy536** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:36 pm

They don't seem to serve any real purpose, I guess they could be used as an indicator as to what the faction is like for new players...but then again the faction is defined by the players

by **Vitatech** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:42 pm

doomboy536 wrote:When Bludgeon and the Decepticons leave Cybertron in the aftermath of Unicron's attack, he chooses the Decepticons' next target by stabbing a sword into the map and attacking the planet nearest to it.

Not very "logical"

True, but Bludgeon is pretty Oragnic Looking. I kinda agree with the people that say we should just drop it too, unless some more detail of plans for the game might be leaked as to why it's needed? :-?

by **Tammuz** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:50 pm

time for me to be the noob, but what are discussing here?

News Credits: 1 · by **doomboy536** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:53 pm

Vitatech wrote:
doomboy536 wrote:When Bludgeon and the Decepticons leave Cybertron in the aftermath of Unicron's attack, he chooses the Decepticons' next target by stabbing a sword into the map and attacking the planet nearest to it.

Not very "logical"
True, but Bludgeon is pretty Oragnic Looking. I kinda agree with the people that say we should just drop it too, unless some more detail of plans for the game might be leaked as to why it's needed?

Bludgeon's a Pretender, that's why he is organic! We see him several times in tank and robot mode if you read the comics.

But yes, drop it.

Tammuz, we're discussing the alignments of the factions as described in the HMW V2 FAQ

by **Vitatech** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:03 pm

i mean, i like the idea of having more RP fluffiness, but i think it stifles peoples creativity a bit with the personalities of their Transformers.

by **Tammuz** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:21 pm

ah, thanky you,

i think we could interpret it thus, the lawful are those that beleive in the tradition and the civil rule of cybertronian governent whether it be right or wrong, whereas the chaotic have no reservations about cybertronian law, they have agenda's and and will not abandon them reagardless of where the law stands on the subject.

News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:54 pm

Check again

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:56 pm

Considering the tripredacus council and (assuming) the Maximal elders talked a lot about politics when planning their attacks; and how the cons and bots fight when they feel like it, I find the lawful/chaotic idea correct.

Autobots are good, but they're purely soliders lead by generals. They fight and fight, but there isn't much evidence of peace treaties and such, at least not in the cartoon.

And Megatron says 'Let's go kill Prime', so they go and do it. Not much planning in that really, is there?

That's a complete load, but it'll do. I'm too tired to structure things properly.

News Credits: 1 · by **doomboy536** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:00 pm

Aha! The alignments have gone!

Thanks Mkall, nice to see we get listened to when we have something sensible to say. Let's face it, most people on here just spout rubbish

by **Bun-Bun** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:43 am

doomboy536 wrote: Let's face it, most people on here just spout rubbish

Hey!

I resemble that remark! :-x

Yeah and I never liked those alignments either.

by **Rat Convoy** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:36 am

Mkall removed the alignments? Sweet!

Thanks, Mkall. That had seriously been bothering me.

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:12 am

To be honest, I'd rather have it say something about the Maximals and Predacons being the only recognized citizens of Cybertron since technically Autobots and Decepticons would both be considered rebels.

News Credits: 1 · by **doomboy536** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:16 am

Original Sin wrote:To be honest, I'd rather have it say something about the Maximals and Predacons being the only recognized citizens of Cybertron since technically Autobots and Decepticons would both be considered rebels.

We 'cons were there LONG before you squishies - if anything, you lot are the rebels

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:38 am

Technically, the Predacons, Autobots, and Decepticons are all rebels.

But at least the Predacons are recognized by Cybertronian government.

Upgrade you insolent fools

by **Tammuz** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:39 am

Original Sin wrote:Technically, the Predacons, Autobots, and Decepticons are all rebels.

But at least the Predacons are recognized by Cybertronian government.

Upgrade you insolent fools

technologist bigot!

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:48 am

Original Sin wrote:Technically, the Predacons, Autobots, and Decepticons are all rebels.

But at least the Predacons are recognized by Cybertronian government.

Upgrade you insolent fools

Upgrade? Where? Who?
*squish*
Oops... I think I stepped on an "up"graded one...

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:59 am

Chaoslock wrote:
Original Sin wrote:Technically, the Predacons, Autobots, and Decepticons are all rebels.

But at least the Predacons are recognized by Cybertronian government.

Upgrade you insolent fools

Upgrade? Where? Who?
*squish*
Oops... I think I stepped on an "up"graded one...

You'll be begging for an upgrade when you look at your energon bill for this month

by **Tammuz** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:03 am

Original Sin wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:
Original Sin wrote:Technically, the Predacons, Autobots, and Decepticons are all rebels.

But at least the Predacons are recognized by Cybertronian government.

Upgrade you insolent fools

Upgrade? Where? Who?
*squish*
Oops... I think I stepped on an "up"graded one...

You'll be begging for an upgrade when you look at your energon bill for this month

course he will, it's cos he's actually in combat, whereas i can't recall any pred but spidey in a mission, IN LIVING MEMORY!

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:05 am

I think that's because most of us are tired of being ginuea pigs and want more back up.

6 vs 1 sucks!

Its kinda funny that I was talking about more energon efficient and what not, but since I've become a Predaon I've lost over 800K in energon :lol:

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:06 am

Original Sin wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:
Original Sin wrote:Technically, the Predacons, Autobots, and Decepticons are all rebels.

But at least the Predacons are recognized by Cybertronian government.

Upgrade you insolent fools

Upgrade? Where? Who?
*squish*
Oops... I think I stepped on an "up"graded one...

You'll be begging for an upgrade when you look at your energon bill for this month

Just won 1,1 million on BBG, so you can't scare me.

by **Tammuz** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:09 am

Original Sin wrote:I think that's because most of us are tired of being ginuea pigs and want more back up.

6 vs 1 sucks!

Its kinda funny that I was talking about more energon efficient and what not, but since I've become a Predaon I've lost over 800K in energon

likewise me and windy used to be to behead and head on the top200 list, now shes about 10 places behind me