The Energon Pub

[Jacoiros]

Magneto goes up against all versions of Transformers Universe in fights.


Which can Magneto beat Transformers Universe?

[Shadowman]

A man who can control metal to the point of being able to redirect the Golden Gate Bridge without any ill effects (I am quite certain that the movie version was weaker than the comics version, by the way), helped build a machine that could locate any being on the planet, and has a helmet that completely frees him from any psychic influence or mental attack, vs a bunch of robots who are made of metal.

Magneto wins. Forever.

[Tough Scorponok]

UMmmmmm....I'd say Magneto. But if all Transformers could direct all their weapons into Magneto at once.....His Forcefield wouldnt stand it, and that might have kill him.

[Burn]

You all assume that Magneto will be able to manipulate Cybertronian metals ...

[Senor Hugo]

You all assume that Magneto will be able to manipulate Cybertronian metals ...

Well if I remember right. He was able to manipulate alien metals during the Secret Wars. Making a comb for the Wasp, and whatever the hell else.

Magneto is the master of magnetism. Any and all metals.

The Transformers are @#$%ed

[Galvatronus]

No way the Magneto could beat ALL the TF. He is still just a human being, mutants powers or not, and would still be susceptible to fatigue. One on one he could hold out for a while but not too long and certainly not after the TF figure out what he can do and the fact they could use long range weapons to stop him. Either that or send in Seri or Spike to stop him

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You all assume that Magneto will be able to manipulate Cybertronian metals ...

He's got more then a mastership of metal going for him......but I'll admit taking on every TF seems to be more then I think he could handle.

[Dead Metal]

Remember Movie First Strike Optimus Prime's bio?
He can destroy anything he wants just by thinking it.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Remember Movie First Strike Optimus Prime's bio?
He can destroy anything he wants just by thinking it.

What????

[Dead Metal]

Remember Movie First Strike Optimus Prime's bio?
He can destroy anything he wants just by thinking it.

What????

Way overpowered robot

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Remember Movie First Strike Optimus Prime's bio?
He can destroy anything he wants just by thinking it.

What????

Way overpowered robot

Ahhh

Thats a pretty weird profile for Optimus.

[Tough Scorponok]

So...........Now even prime has that Power, still, he would Hesitate to use it, and Magnus is not on the path to destroy Earth.Needles to say.......All Transformers......That makes it....... Scorponok, his 4 versions. Fortress Maximuss, Megatron in all his versions, Galvatron in all his versions, Prime in all versions, all Autobots, all Decepticons, all Maximals, all Predacons. Thats all too much for Magneto to cope with.

[Marlboro Man]

Hmm...someone mentioned something I didn't think of. The Predacons and Maximals....

When they are in their Beast Modes, what happens to the metal that encase their robot modes (note, this is strict original beats modes...not Transmetals, or transmetal 2, Fuzors etc) If one makes the argument that those metalsd enter the ever-prolific 'SUBSPACE' than Magneto, who cannot enter 'subspace' would have a problem.

There would be nothing for him on the Transformers themsleves for him to manipulate. Sure, he would still have Earth's, or whichever planet they battle on, magnetic field and landscape to play with. But ya gotta think that 1 man versus a Gorilla, Cheetah, Rat, Rhino, Velicoraptor, Hawk, and Tiger on one flank; and a Tyrannosaurus rex, Pteranadon, Wasp, Scorpion, Two poisonous Spiders, and a Fire Ant would have a guard let down somewhere at some point. Especially if we go into the equation that the Beasts, no matter what their form, are human-sized. A human sized taranula, black widow, wasp, or fire ant would have sytrenth proportional to it's size. Inferno would be able to carry the freakin' Statue of Liberty on his back!

In light of all this, I'd say the TF. This was a better thought question than I originally realized. Good stuff.

[Tough Scorponok]

You have a point there Marlboro Man.With all the Predacons, Maximals, G1's, G2's,Headmasters,Target Masters........Magneto will have Handfull. Does it allow magneto to Rally his Supporters (Mutants) to aid Him in the battle?.

[Senor Hugo]

I think it also depends as to which Magneto we're going by.

Movie Magneto would be able to take down maybe one or two Transformers.

Comic(616) and Ultimate Magneto would be able to take out half of Cybertron and possibly Unicron(if it's a 1v1)

Magneto would most likely take out the larger robots first, meaning the Combiners, Metroplex, Trypticon etc are screwed any way you look at it.

The best bet the Transformers have would be the Pretenders and the Beastwars transformers, but this would depend on if Magneto can affect them in their beast/pretender mode.

Although given that the comic magnetos can control the iron in a persons blood stream. It would be one hell of a fight.

[Stormwolf]

Comic(616) and Ultimate Magneto would be able to take out half of Cybertron and possibly Unicron(if it's a 1v1)

Magneto would most likely take out the larger robots first, meaning the Combiners, Metroplex, Trypticon etc are screwed any way you look at it.

Pitting comic Magneto against the G1 cartoon transformers is a pretty poor combination.

Atleast pit him against the comic versions, since they number in the billions. Comic Unicron would easily kill Magneto in whatever way he'd find amusing.


And on the topic of Cybertronian alloys vs magnetism, Windcharger has never been able to use his powers against other Transformers. It's not like he's never been put in a situation where they'd probably come handy (in the original Ark boarding for instance).

http://www.seibertron.com/database/char ... &view=data

Additionally, the G2 reproductive Cycle pretty much establishes that the TF's aren't made of conventional metals as we know them.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Hmm...someone mentioned something I didn't think of. The Predacons and Maximals....

When they are in their Beast Modes, what happens to the metal that encase their robot modes (note, this is strict original beats modes...not Transmetals, or transmetal 2, Fuzors etc) If one makes the argument that those metalsd enter the ever-prolific 'SUBSPACE' than Magneto, who cannot enter 'subspace' would have a problem.

There would be nothing for him on the Transformers themsleves for him to manipulate. Sure, he would still have Earth's, or whichever planet they battle on, magnetic field and landscape to play with. But ya gotta think that 1 man versus a Gorilla, Cheetah, Rat, Rhino, Velicoraptor, Hawk, and Tiger on one flank; and a Tyrannosaurus rex, Pteranadon, Wasp, Scorpion, Two poisonous Spiders, and a Fire Ant would have a guard let down somewhere at some point. Especially if we go into the equation that the Beasts, no matter what their form, are human-sized. A human sized taranula, black widow, wasp, or fire ant would have sytrenth proportional to it's size. Inferno would be able to carry the freakin' Statue of Liberty on his back!

In light of all this, I'd say the TF. This was a better thought question than I originally realized. Good stuff.

That in BOLD is not entirely accurate.

Even if the metal of a Beast era TF enters a sub-space dimension and their animal forms are truly organic Magneto could still effect them.

Magneto has defeated enemys by manipulating the iron eilmients of a persons blood stream.....he could do the same if a Beast era TF's body is really organic.

Additionally, the G2 reproductive Cycle pretty much establishes that the TF's aren't made of conventional metals as we know them.

This is true....but Magnetos mastery of magnitizem has extended to the non conventional metals of other alien races as well as living organic metals.

[Name_Violation]

even if magneto cant manipulate all the tf's, i'm sure he could

a)Emp them, off lining them

or

b)throw anyscrap metal at them doing all sorts of crazy things.

also the movie magneto showed ripping iron out of people. i'm sure he can do worse to giant robots.

also, even if tf's cant be effected for one reason or another, what about their weapons? he could turn the weapons against them.

animated ratchet has his magnetic thing that the bounty hunter used as a weapon, so thing mag's mastery of magnetism could do much worse

[Tough Scorponok]

Good Point. But at one way or the other.....Transformers have ways of Generating forcefields around themselves, which would prevent them from beeing directly, or indirectly dismantled by Magneto Powers.Magneto has Forcefields also.

[Dead Metal]

Good Point. But at one way or the other.....Transformers have ways of Generating forcefields around themselves, which would prevent them from beeing directly, or indirectly dismantled by Magneto Powers.Magneto has Forcefields also.

like when did that ever happen (I mean about the TFs)?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

also the movie magneto showed ripping iron out of people.

Not exactly....that "Iron" he pulled out was extra iron that Mystique injected into the guard.

But in the comics Magneto can do that to a persons regular amount of iron.

[Tough Scorponok]

Does This fight include Quintessons? They are part of Transformers Universe. Besides they have Sharkticons, and all kind of array of Weapons.So Quints, Decepticons, Autobots. All kind of Transformers, including Unicron in all his Carnations, Primus. I'd still say Magneto will get beaten.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Does This fight include Quintessons? They are part of Transformers Universe. Besides they have Sharkticons, and all kind of array of Weapons.So Quints, Decepticons, Autobots. All kind of Transformers, including Unicron in all his Carnations, Primus. I'd still say Magneto will get beaten.

I dont know if the Quints are allowed in this....but there's only 1 Unicron.

According to Hasbro.....Every Unicron we have ever seen in different continuities are all just Avatars of the 1 life force that is Unicron.

[Tough Scorponok]

Ok, so still......I dont know if Magneto is strong Enough to hurt or dismantle Unicron, i ve gotta say all the Tramsformers, thats a @#4% load of firepower.......not to Mention their ability to make Holograms, as well as Some Transformers beeing able to Teleport......I am sure that Megatron, Prime, Rid Fortress Maximuss, Scorponok, Galvatron, Unicron, and all the Combiners, would be sufficient force to destroy Magneto. Remeber that would Include all Decepticon combiners and all Autobots combiners from all the TF's series.They would Also have G1 Jetfire, Sky Lynxs,Ultra Mgnus, all the Tapes, Magneto be toast.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok, so still......I dont know if Magneto is strong Enough to hurt or dismantle Unicron, i ve gotta say all the Tramsformers, thats a @#4% load of firepower.......not to Mention their ability to make Holograms, as well as Some Transformers beeing able to Teleport......I am sure that Megatron, Prime, Rid Fortress Maximuss, Scorponok, Galvatron, Unicron, and all the Combiners, would be sufficient force to destroy Magneto. Remeber that would Include all Decepticon combiners and all Autobots combiners from all the TF's series.They would Also have G1 Jetfire, Sky Lynxs,Ultra Mgnus, all the Tapes, Magneto be toast.

Yeah I dont think Magneto would be able to combat the shear numbers of all TF's at 1 time.