SlyTF1 wrote:Mr_Autobot411 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Mr_Autobot411 wrote:cruizerdave wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:cruizerdave wrote:"It's not good when I'm not involved."
What an @$$hole. Bay is a complete and total @$$hole. I've come to terms that we'll never see a decent Transformers adaption in our lifetimes thanks to him, but I find it amusing that people still eat up the garbage he puts on their cinematic plates.
With that kind of attitude do you think the fandom really deserve a movie pandering to the whiners?
You do know why fans don't write movies or have much impact right?
And what's wrong with people liking the movies there are worse movies and those people are not you they have different opinions so next time think before insulting people who enjoy something you don't.
I'll sum it up for you with two lists.
List one, things I don't ever want to see in a Transformers movie, but I have:
•Crass "humor" aimed squarely at slack jawed idiots.
•Discussions about masterbation
•Robots peeing on people.
•Dogs peeing on robots
•Nonsensical plots about conspiracies concerning Transformers affecting humanity's past.
•Plot points wherein characters explain why its okay for them to have sex with an under-aged minor.
•Porny shots of faked baked women in skimpy outfits.
•Weird racism.
•Blatant racism.
•Recycled footage from The Island.
•Chicago getting destroyed more than once.
•Marky Mark playing an inventor.
•Robots that don't transform as much as dissolve into thousands of tiny pieces and reassemble.
•High school boy being put off by ridiculous past of hot girl whose dad stole cars. Or something.
•John Turturro's underwear.
•Editing that looks like it was done by a bunch of interns all high on cocaine.
•Shaky camera for every action scene mixed with random bits of slow motion.
•Characters who act like douchebags, which accounts for all of them.
•Childhood icon Optimus Prime portrayed as a cold blooded killer of both Decepticons and humans who piss him off.
•Divergent story lines and characters that have nothing to do with the rest of the movie.
•Evil government/business conspiracy organizations ... again and again and again.
•There's only one way to defeat this giant evil robot — call the United States military!
•An evil sex bot with a 20-foot long tongue.
Now for list number two, things I'd like to see in a Transformers movie that we haven't seen yet and likely won't as long as Bay is involved —
•Robots besides Optimus and Bumblebee who are actually discernible from each other at a glance.
•Plots that in a broad way, make some kind of sense.
•Appealing characters, both human and robot.
•Transformers treated as characters and not just special effects in the background of Shia's attempts to get laid.
•Plots not driven completely by some type of bullcrap McGuffin.
•Dialog that sounds like regular people and not drunk college frat boys during rush week.
•Character development.
•A basic understanding of story structure.
Look, I didn't say you couldn't enjoy these movies. If you can enjoy these movies, then good for you. I'm not insulting you, but I've hated Michael Bays' style of film making ever since Armageddon.
To me watching these films (well the first one's not as bad as the others) is the cinematic equivalent of slamming my head into a metal door repeatedly. They're loud, every character is obnoxious, they have no theme, they make no sense and their story structure is nonexistent.
If you think my problems are those of a whiner, pull up Rottentomatoes sometime and read some of the reviews there. My problems with these films aren't fanboy Transformer problems, they are fundamental storytelling problems.
bro i hear u, ur list is pretty much what i think of bays crap. its too bad ppl dont like substance over style these days, much like the new star wars movie.......all style no substance
I hate when people come at me with that train of THUNK. Define "substance." Why can't style be its own damn substance? Who are you, or anyone else to tell anyone what substance is supposed to be? If I say it is substance, that's exactly what it is.
because style is never substance brother, its how it is sorry if u dont agree. thats life.
What if I were to tell you that I like the movies because of their substance? I mean, style is always going to be deciding factor to me, in determining whether or not I like anything. Regardless, what if told you that I've actually been able to find things of substantial value in these movies?
brother, thats all good, u found something in these movies that appeals to u, i on the other hand, and a few ppl here did not. Now im all for debating, but man when i come on to these forms, its all about attacking each other opinions (never seen a fandom attack each other more then TF fans). I feel many times when myself, or if anyone for that matter states as to why we dont like Bays movies, we are idoits! simple as that. just idoits. To the the ppl that like the movies. I guess on the flip side maybe when u or anyone else states why the like the movies they get bashed unfairly too. I personally respect anyone that can say why, or why they didnt like the movies, in an intelligent as cival matter. My problem is ppl that say ur a tool, cuz i dont like the movies.......I totally understand to some ppl these movies are their holy grail of film, and thats fine. Just dont get bent outta shape when someone says, hey i dont like the movies cuz of this or that. If someone doesnt like the movies and tells u why they dont, just dont take it personally! debate it if u like ask em why, and maybe u can understand the other person more and make a connection rather then just dissing that person. Im talking not about U, im talking about most of the ppl over years ive seen bash ppl for liking or hating the movie. ppl can think what they like, just be intellgent and respectable. Till all are one