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[Skritz]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

[Nemesis Primal]

So are these the only SDCC reveals or just the start?

Of Generations toys on hand? Yes, most probably. You might get more reveals for other lines later or of other generations line toys through renders in the presentation.

I was really hoping we'd see stuff for the 2020 line.

Given the winner of the fan vote is supposed to be revealed today, they will probably have SOMETHING for the next segment of the trilogy, just maybe not as extensive of a reveal as the one for Siege last year with prototype figures from the first two waves.

[Burn]

Did Australia not get any target exclusives at any other retailer?

Buggered if I know. The nearest Target is about 100km's away.

[Deadput]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

I'll be honest in my opinion I prefer Siege style Leader class figures, their more in scale with others in my collection and besides a few exceptions where they should be that big I feel like many leaders were too big.

[Wireless_Phantom]

Oh man, where to start.

I'll probably pass on the Micromaster 10 pack, as well as the silver Battle master. Rumble and Ratbat look great and I look forward to having them. Rung is a surprise but a welcome one. I'll definitely get the micromaster combiner.

Everything else I already gave my opinion on. Personally, I can't wait!

[Dr. Caelus]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

I'll be honest in my opinion I prefer Siege style Leader class figures, their more in scale with others in my collection and besides a few exceptions where they should be that big I feel like many leaders were too big.

Yeah, I'm glad the Phase Sixers were big'uns because I think they still scale with the Siege line, but my CW Megatron's are both sitting in a drawer waiting to be claimed by my son.

Really wish we could get a Siege-style leader class Fort Max, though. Not likely given we just got the Titan class version, but I really would prefer he be about Ultra Magnus's size.

[Skritz]

Overlord being huge worked for me but I'll echo the sentiment that Ultra Magnus scales a lot better with other figures now.

[blackeyedprime]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

Only TR Leader that felt a bit off was the Power Master optimus (& Legends Big Powered). CW were cheaper figures in general to me with a feeling of 1 design is going to be used for anything and everything but even then POTP Voyager Elita has her inner leg screw holes hidden compared to Siege Tetra Jet Voyagers. Seems to be steps forwards and backwards in every line.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

The Leader class in general has had a spotty track record re: waist articulation going back to the Unicron Trilogy at the least.

Honestly, I don't feel like "Voyager sized robot with accessories" is a bad use of the Leader price point.

[Chriphord]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

The Leader class in general has had a spotty track record re: waist articulation going back to the Unicron Trilogy at the least.

Honestly, I don't feel like "Voyager sized robot with accessories" is a bad use of the Leader price point.

I have to agree. Especially with someone like Astrotrain where people would I assume want it in scale with Blitz and Octane. Other’s I’m sure want a shuttle that can fit at least Micromasters on the other hand. Anyone know when we can get mass displacement in our toys?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Honestly, I don't feel like "Voyager sized robot with accessories" is a bad use of the Leader price point.

I have to agree. Especially with someone like Astrotrain where people would I assume want it in scale with Blitz and Octane.

[Microbot]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

I'll be honest in my opinion I prefer Siege style Leader class figures, their more in scale with others in my collection and besides a few exceptions where they should be that big I feel like many leaders were too big.

Agree to both of you!

[Wolfman Jake]

I am here to have fun... It's just, there are things that really frustrate me or try my patience... Maybe I should just stop trying to be a part of forums.

You and I have had some interesting exchanges, Zelda. Take a look at some of the debates I've had on these boards. I don't always agree with everyone's opinion, but I try to stay dispassionate and stick to the facts as much as possible. Rarely to I manage to ruffle anyone's feathers. When I'm wrong, I admit it too. Take a look back at some of my posts and see if you can incorporate some of my language and style into your responses here.

[Skritz]

Btw, people have somewhat complained about Astrotrain seemingly being 'a big Voyager'. How its not that I want to defend trying to make profit but...have any of you played around with a CW to POTP leader? Many of them (especially the TR ones) were notably fiddly and had either arms or legs suffering from crappy articulation and in the case of TR there was a serious lack of waist joints.

Compared to these, Siege Shockwave and Ultra Magnus are pretty damn poseable. Even Magnus fully armored retain all points of articulation.

The Leader class in general has had a spotty track record re: waist articulation going back to the Unicron Trilogy at the least.

Honestly, I don't feel like "Voyager sized robot with accessories" is a bad use of the Leader price point.

Dai Atlas is quite the brick by modern standards but...I paid too much for him to feel the need to complain less I become filled with intense buyer's remorse! His mold is good but its clear his new toolings accentuated what were already the weakness of the mold: limited shoulder, wonky waist and wonky legs. He is undeniably beautiful in sculpt and coloration but a dynamic poser he's not!

Edit: On the other hand, Road Fire and Sonic Bomber are top notch retools but it help they are made from the two best deluxe mold of Titans Return.

[joevill]

[Skritz]

Last thing on the 'Voyager+' status of Leader-class figures nowadays: are there even that many characters who scaled at what the Leader class was like for the Prime Wars? Beside the 'phase sixer' and maybe Comic-scaled Scorponok I can't really think of anyone in the size range of the old Leader class. Truly towering characters in the cartoon/comics seem like they are a better fit for the new Commander class.

Leader seemed more like it was a marketing price point than any real, proper scale. I mean sure all price point exist for toyline budget, obviously, but still: the size was too big for Optimus and Megatron in relation to most characters being deluxe and voyagers. It was also obviously too big for Rodimus, Soundwave and Blaster too. The guys of that relative size (like Overlord) have basically been done already and anyone else they'd want to sell at such a price point is bound to be smaller if one want any kind of decent scale. Note that I did say decent because Transformers always had size issues.

The reality is most Transformers characters can be generally assumed to be in between the (current) deluxe to voyager size. The major outliers (according to most 'sane' charts I can find) are Sixshot (already done as an 'old' Leader), Overlord (ditto), Jetfire/Skyfire (coming out as Commander) and Star Saber (Arguably old Leader to Commander-sized). Anything bigger is a combiner or Titan anyway!

[Stargrave]

As reported here just a few hours ago we know the Rainmaker Seeker Three Pack is on its way for only $79.99, but we didn't know it was already here! Thanks to Dorksidetoys on TFW2005 we have stock images of the trio, and thanks to TFW2005 member Fast Draw we have visual proof the three storms have arrived at their local Target in Massachusetts. Dorkside also states they believe this will in fact be a Target exclusive.

Be sure to head out and check your local stores and bring your umbrellas! Wait! Non-metal acid proof umbrellas! These neon nasties mean business!

Enjoy the images and as always share your view with the Seibertron crew in the forums, and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest in Transformers news.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Hmm, not sure about the Micromaster pack yet, but it is a consideration. I can display 1 set of jets as a sword then!

The seekers being $80 makes that more manageable. I think I'll get them.

Frikkin/ RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNG! Yes!!!!!

That is the reveal of the year right there. Sorry Hasbro, but Rung >>> Unicron now. $6 >>> $600

[Skritz]

Its weird Ion Storm has red in his vehicle mode: seems like they recolored Thundercracker robot mode but forget to paint the tetrajet part.

[Stargrave]

That's right although we initially thought there would be a wait between featuring these two at the #SDCC2019 and their availability for purchase we have now learned through an advertisement on ToyShiz on Instagram that Generations Selects Lancer and Galaxy Man Shockwave will be available at Entertainment Earth's booth at the #SDCC2019 for sale!

Galaxy Man "Shackwave" is listed for $50 and Lancer for only $20, and both come with a collector's pin! Hope anyone wanting one of these is able to swing by Entertainment Earth's booth and pick them up, and make sure and tell 'em Seibertron sent you!

Be sure to share your views with the Seibertron crew in the forums and stay tuned for all the latest in #SDCC2019 news!

[Stargrave]

Just in from the #SDCC2019 from Autobase Aichi are some great images of Astrotrain in robot mode, his vehicle mode, and his (proper) train tender in its various modes. You can see it housing a store of large weapons in tender mode and converted into a nice rocket base for his shuttle mode.

And by base I don't mean a launchpad, no, I mean an armed fully stretched out rocket base. There are two grey components on the floor beside Astrotrain that look almost as though they could be height increasing boots, but even if his extra parts don't turn into a full suit of armor ala Shockwave a full rocket base more than makes up for it. This would also be a new way of utilizing a leader classes extra component pieces we haven't seen yet in the Siege line.

Enjoy the views and stay tuned to Seibertron for your up to date #SDCC2019 news!

[Ironhidensh]

Frikkin/ RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNG! Yes!!!!!

That is the reveal of the year right there. Sorry Hasbro, but Rung >>> Unicron now. $6 >>> $600

in my heart, I am sharing a beer with you, right now! Cobo will probally show up, he always does.

[Randomhero]

Loving the connectors to attach to titans on the launch pad

[Cobotron]

Frikkin/ RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNG! Yes!!!!!

That is the reveal of the year right there. Sorry Hasbro, but Rung >>> Unicron now. $6 >>> $600

in my heart, I am sharing a beer with you, right now! Cobo will probally show up, he always does.

Did someone say beer?!


and, look at dat As......trotrain!!!

[Optimus-Primal]

If anyone is at SDCC and sees a Hasbro rep or John Warden, can you please ask if there is any chance that we might get a Star Saber figure?