ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I'll concede that comparing Siege Jetfire to RoTF Jetfire was a bit harsh. He's not as bad. But close. Looking at the underside, I see arms, shoulders, legs, knees.
You can see all those on the T30 figure even more prominently, plus the robot mode head and the faux-cockpit chest. I think they blend much better on the SIEGE figure and don't look any more out of place than, say, those of
Classics Jetfire or the Classics Seeker mold. And at least on SIEGE Jetfire the arms and legs are actually properly integrated or at least tucked into the altmode (unlike T30 Jetfire), and the altmode cockpit
is actually integrated into the robot mode. That's the sticking point for me, is your dismissing him as "A robot laying down with a plane draped over him" when he has that much integration. If you can write
that off as "A robot lying down with a plane draped over him", then you're writing off
every jet mold ever aside from maybe
Cybertron Jetfire and ROTF Dirge.
To put it another way, I think the label of "A robot laying down with a plane draped over him" should be reserved for extreme cases, those where if you subtracted the plane bits you'd still have most of the robot.
As I said, that was a bit harsh and inaccurate. I take it back. His head, hands and feet fold up, so it's not as bad as the other figure. But it's still easy to see there's a robot body under there.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Look at all those gaps. Just as bad from the side view. On an $80 Commander Class figure it is unacceptable to have these errors in engineering. There should have been panels to cover them up, or at least have the transformation fill them in.
Now that remark I take no issue with, because there really are some annoying gaps and no mistake. The altmode leg gap in particular is the absolute stupidest; they should either have had a panel that extended from the backpack, or made the inner faces of the legs more square (at least at the back). I personally don't find the side gaps as bad. I mean, it would have been nice to have them covered, but it does pose the question of where you'd put the panels and what would be sacrificed for them.
My main gap-gripe is with the side view. When he's in jet mode sitting on a shelf it's hard to see underneath, unless you look from a specific low angle, but the sides are easily viewed. And there are a lot of open spaces, especially between the shoulders and the waist. He almost looks like 1 of those cargo helicopters that has a big open space between the cockpit and the tail. But I do agree, it would be hard to come up with the proper panels to cover them up. But I'm also not a designer.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Because of the difference in size, the gaps are more prominent in Siege Jetfire than Generations Jetfire. That figure is by no means close to perfect, which is why I haven't bought it yet, but it looks better than this.
Less gappy, certainly, but it has far more painfully visible (and unintegrated or badly-integrated robot bits) so I'd say it's a tradeoff. And he doesn't have the cartoon altmode either... Honestly, I'd say that if SIEGE Jetfire doesn't float your boat then you're better off with either the original toy or the Classics version.
The original looks good in jet mode, and the Classics is just...ugh.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I bought the Siege figure even after watching reviews, because the robot mode looked good on screen. In hand? Not as good. Not bad, but not as good. Too bland.
Honestly, I'd put that more down to his color scheme being "Overall white with minimal red, black, and blue accents" than anything else. A super-detail paintjob would probably mitigate that, but regular release mainstream TFs
never have those (they'd be half again as expensive if they did, if not moreso). Maybe try panel-lining him, even if it's just with a ballpoint pen, see if that helps?
The lack of colors isn't even a big deal to me, I just brought it up because I was already annoyed with the figure and I was just piling it on.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Bottom line for me (and again, this is just my opinion, I'm not stating facts so don't have an aneurysm) this is a disappointment for the money spent and the size and space it occupies.
Alright then, be disappointed. Although I feel I have to reiterate that the money spent is largely
because of the space it occupies
I am disappointed. But he's been sold already and I got my money back, so I feel better.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I mean, this is halfway to a Titan-sized figure, and it looks like someone enlarged a deluxe figure.
Eh, leaving aside the simplicity of G1 character designs I think he's too articulated and feature-laden for that. Especially compared to
these bozos:
Those would be $80 too if they were to be sold today.
And they wouldn't be worth it either. Especially Prime.
As for Nightbird, I'm probably going to get it because I like the mold, but I think she would have been perfect for the deluxe TFP Arcee bike mold, even if it's a completely different line.
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