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[frogbat]

still waiting on star scream to come my way.

These select figures are the same price as the standard voyagers right (besides those packaged with extras)? Just exclusive to some retailers?

Alas I'm penny pinching with this line even though I'm loving it, the repaints will be minimal in my collection. If these were deluxe...

[william-james88]

still waiting on star scream to come my way.

These select figures are the same price as the standard voyagers right (besides those packaged with extras)? Just exclusive to some retailers?

Alas I'm penny pinching with this line even though I'm loving it, the repaints will be minimal in my collection. If these were deluxe...

Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.

[MeGrimlock78]

Are we sure this IS Redwing? Everest also has Selects Megatron and Ricochet listed, but no Swoop. Red Swoop isn't far off from Red Wing, and the listing desciptions are close:

Transformers - Generations Selects Ricochet (24) *New/F19*
Transformers - Generations Selects Redwing (24) *New/F19*

True, the Megatron listing is also the same format...just find it really odd Swoop isn't listed...

[frogbat]

Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.

Cheers was thinking of the new Skywarp battle pack set - for some reason thought it fell in with the select imprint.

[Evil Eye]

I might actually buy this. I want my "important" Seekers to be Earth jets but I do want a version of this mold- an expendable "literally who?" generic seems the perfect candidate. Plus those colours are tasty.

[Jtprime17]

Are we sure this IS Redwing? Everest also has Selects Megatron and Ricochet listed, but no Swoop. Red Swoop isn't far off from Red Wing, and the listing desciptions are close:

Transformers - Generations Selects Ricochet (24) *New/F19*
Transformers - Generations Selects Redwing (24) *New/F19*

True, the Megatron listing is also the same format...just find it really odd Swoop isn't listed...

They have diffrent Hasbro product codes, So they are most certainly diffrent figures. They probably just don't have Red Swoop listed.

Red Swoop is E6720

Redwing is E5474

[PushYouDown]

I have no connection to this character... I'd honestly prefer they do a conehead instead....

Which.. I know the Siege Starscream mold doesn't necessarily work for Thrust, Dirge...the other one(?) but I'd like to see how they'd do it.

[Stargrave]

Random: I love Prowl too - his proportions are odd but I love his quirkyness Six Gun’s black rifles on His shoulders are the best I can mock up his shoulder rockets.

A little extra yellow on the pecs of that Seeker mold and that could almost be an Armada Starscream motif.

[william-james88]

Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.

Cheers was thinking of the new Skywarp battle pack set - for some reason thought it fell in with the select imprint.

Its beyond confusing. But the main distinction is that the ones in the actual siege line are meant to accompany that line (like add more characters that go with the others released) while this selects line is giving fans decos that they probably would never get in a main line, something more along the lines of the Transformers Club and toys not meant to be in the same continuity/story as the actual War for Cybertron Trilogy.

[Wolfman Jake]

I might actually buy this. I want my "important" Seekers to be Earth jets but I do want a version of this mold- an expendable "literally who?" generic seems the perfect candidate. Plus those colours are tasty.

The great thing about using the Siege Seeker mold for the likes of Sunstorm, Bitstream, Hotlink, Nacelle, Acid Storm, Nova Storm, or Ion Storm, is that they have only been seen in the original cartoon on Cybertron, so it makes perfect sense for them to have their tetra jet alt modes. Somewhere down the line, we may get another redo of the Starscream, Thundercarcker, and Skywarp trio as Earth-based jets again, but we won't have to have those molds repainted a dozen times over if they stick with the Siege tetra jets for those "Cybertron only" characters instead.

[Evil Eye]

I might actually buy this. I want my "important" Seekers to be Earth jets but I do want a version of this mold- an expendable "literally who?" generic seems the perfect candidate. Plus those colours are tasty.

The great thing about using the Siege Seeker mold for the likes of Sunstorm, Bitstream, Hotlink, Nacelle, Acid Storm, Nova Storm, or Ion Storm, is that they have only been seen in the original cartoon on Cybertron, so it makes perfect sense for them to have their tetra jet alt modes. Somewhere down the line, we may get another redo of the Starscream, Thundercarcker, and Skywarp trio as Earth-based jets again, but we won't have to have those molds repainted a dozen times over if they stick with the Siege tetra jets for those "Cybertron only" characters instead.

My thoughts exactly.

[Node]

I'll have to buy two. One for the shelf, one to eat. I NEEED a redwing in ma bellah!

(i don't know what that means, I just want it. pretty much now.)

10 posts in 10 years... what an obscure character to take a minute to post about; he must really like red wing.

[SGMLordMirage]

In regards to Transformers Generation Select Ricohet (Stepper), mine will arrive next Tuesday. Just curious to see by any chance has anyone received theirs?

SGM

[TF-fan kev777]

In regards to Transformers Generation Select Ricohet (Stepper), mine will arrive next Tuesday. Just curious to see by any chance has anyone received theirs?

SGM

Yep, I received min last Friday from BBTS.

[SGMLordMirage]

@kev777, what is your thoughts on it?

[Agamemnon]

However When holding both Ricochet & Jazz in hand, there is a noticeable weight difference.

Do you have access to a sensitive enough scale to see if this is actually the case? Some pictures of the figures on a scale with the readout visible would help. I'm curious if these were actually made with lighter/less dense plastics. Going by "hand feel" to estimate and compare weight is notoriously difficult, and your perception may very well be influenced by disappointment.

Because BBTS had bad gotta ship it now and your **** is in stock timing, I don't have Ricochet yet.

PotP Jazz nekked is 84g or exactly 3oz

With the combiner hand and pistol - 97g / 3.4oz

food scale if you're curious

This is what I got with my scale. (I used this scale to help my son prep for the Pinewood Derby, so it should be fairly calibrated.) PotP Optimal Optimus is overseeing my accuracy, so you can trust it!

Combiner Wars Jazz Weight

If too small to read, this is 97g with combiner hand and pistol (good to see this agrees with cary)

Stepper Weight

99g with combiner hand and pistol

Blue Swoop Weight

81g with combiner hand and sword

Red Swoop Weight

82g with combiner hand and sword

SGMLordMirage, there are some comments on the figures in the previous couple of pages, if you want to see them.

[Sentinel_Primal]

However When holding both Ricochet & Jazz in hand, there is a noticeable weight difference.

Do you have access to a sensitive enough scale to see if this is actually the case? Some pictures of the figures on a scale with the readout visible would help. I'm curious if these were actually made with lighter/less dense plastics. Going by "hand feel" to estimate and compare weight is notoriously difficult, and your perception may very well be influenced by disappointment.

Because BBTS had bad gotta ship it now and your **** is in stock timing, I don't have Ricochet yet.

PotP Jazz nekked is 84g or exactly 3oz

With the combiner hand and pistol - 97g / 3.4oz

food scale if you're curious

This is what I got with my scale. (I used this scale to help my son prep for the Pinewood Derby, so it should be fairly calibrated.) PotP Optimal Optimus is overseeing my accuracy, so you can trust it!

20190503_100955.jpg

If too small to read, this is 97g with combiner hand and pistol (good to see this agrees with cary)

20190503_101007.jpg

99g with combiner hand and pistol

I find it odd that Ricochet weighs more than Jazz Could it be something to do with plastic colors?

[Agamemnon]

I find it odd that Ricochet weighs more than Jazz Could it be something to do with plastic colors?

I meant to comment on this as well. I used to work with plastic molding (on the customer inspection side). There are a number of factors that I think could be impacting this:

Indeed, as you said different plastics can weigh differently, and the color of the plastic can indicate a different plastic in use. (Just changing the dye may not get the desired color. Since Ricochet is all black and Jazz is almost white, this would make sense)

There can be weight differences within the same run depending on how the plastic is packed, the temperature of the plastic when molded, gassing, other factors... When closely looking at the heads of the two figures, Jazz appears to have slightly rounded "ears" with Ricochet having more defined sharper "ears". This may indicate more plastic was packed into the Ricochet mold. Temperature and nature of the plastic material can also impact how the mold gets packed.

Paint could impact the weight too, though there is such a small amount of paint present on both figures...I wouldn't hazard a guess which is painted more.

Clear versus opaque plastics can also have different weights. (Believe it or not, I am suspicious that Jazz has a clear plastic "hood" that has been painted, and Ricochet has an opaque black "hood", not clear painted black. This seems evident when looking at the bottom of car mode.)

I hope this helps some of the curiosity.

[TF-fan kev777]

@kev777, what is your thoughts on it?

Mine seems to be on par with Jazz quality-wise. Most of the joints on both of mine are just about right, not too tight, not too loose. The only differences I can really note on mine are just the decos. If I closed my eyes and grabbed one of them, I wouldn't be able to tell who it was without opening my eyes.

Personally, I like the deco on Ricochet better, but am not down on Jazz by any means. What I think I'll end up doing is using both as arms on the same combiner and swap their prime armor/hands so that there can be an almost all white arm and an almost all black arm.

[o.supreme]

Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

[Agamemnon]

Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

[Wolfman Jake]

Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!

[Agamemnon]

Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!

Well, Ricochet needs to be able to have those armor piercing rounds bounce right off him and hit Decepticons, right?

Thank you, thanks you. Tip your robo-staff on your way out, please.

[bvzxa]

[blackeyedprime]

Artfire looks good, I passed on him last week for ricochet I don't like having the bonnet tampo broken by the white so I leave it mistransformed.