by ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:34 pm
- Motto: "Earthrise restock or riot"
megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. What are you getting so worked up over? He's not kvetching about anything. You know how you said "Is this a retail figure? No."? Sabrblade's pointing all that out as reasons why it wouldn't fly as one, and thus has to be a fan-backed thing.
Yes, he acknowledges that it is not a retail figure... which is exactly why complaining about the lack of interactivity with retail figures is odd and potentially unreasonable. Kvetching is the right word, unless Sabr comes in and clarifies that he wasn't, in fact, complaining, which is a possibility.
It's a very strong possibility. In fact, it's such a strong possibility that I'm baffled as to how you interpreted his post as complaining at all.
My plain reading: Sabr is complaining that Unicron is a ball with no additional features, and that only 'super-rich' people would throw money away to have it. I'm honestly baffled you could read it any other way, and yet I'm open to the possibility that my interpretation is wrong.
Funnily enough, you're completely ignoring the possibility that my response was reasoned counterpoint rather than angry rant.
My plain reading: Sabrblade is pointing out to all the people whinging about Unicron being done as a pricy fan-backed HasLab product, why he
has to be done as a pricy fan-backed HasLab product. Which is that he is designed purely to pander to G1-nostalgic fans, with no gimmicks to woo general consumers with and an altmode that currently has decidedly limited appeal outside of G1 nostalgic fans. Appealing near-only to G1-nostalgic fans is
not a success strategy at retail, especially not for something so pricy. And thus, the only way he's viable is as a crowdfunded thing that forces the sufficiently-moneyed among fans to put up or shut up.
Thankfully, Sabr is articulate enough to speak for himself - he doesn't need you for a mouthpiece.
Besides, you're totally eliding my point. When one says "at least the titans had X" the implication is that one is bemoaning the lack of X in Unicron.
I'm saying X doesn't make sense on this Unicron toy - I obviously agree that a crowdfunding approach is appropriate given the scale and the target audience. You are again missing that.
No, I wasn't missing that. I saw and understood that. I was counter-arguing that A. as
I saw it, Sabrblade wasn't bemoaning the lack of a base mode at all, he was just listing it as a reason this Unicron lacks outsider appeal, and B. Therefore, how could it be a ridiculous complaint when it didn't seem to be a complaint in the first place?
megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:megatronus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2. Sounds like you're mainly experienced with TR Fort Max's base/city mode. But, uh, you seem to be mistaken about something: The base/city modes are the primary altmodes for those figures.
Two things. First, I'm not missing anything - what you said here does not at all disprove or contradict my point. Second, you're missing the forest for the trees in trying to make this about semantics rather than addressing my core argument.
You
are missing something. Let me make myself plain (and bold the part of my reply you overlooked): Fort Max's base mode is the
only one where you can remotely justify calling it a "half-assed concoction" that relies too much on "primary" altmode parts (and even then I wouldn't go that far, especially not in terms of play and interactivity).
Why must you make me wade into trees? Again, you're missing the forest.
The trees: instructions for all 3 Titans list the vehicle as the primary mode, with the base mode as secondary. Again, this is a semantic point, but I consider the instructions to be the official word on what is primary vs secondary. But let's be clear: the limitations of the Titans' size and the budget the designers dealt with meant the robot was prioritized, so neither of the other two modes were particularly amazing on these Titans, with the base / vehicle relying heavily, by necessity, on the vehicle / base parts unfolding or reconfiguring.
I am
not "missing the forest" because IMO the only "forest" worth addressing was your dismissing the base modes as "half-assed concoctions".
megatronus wrote:I consider the instructions to be the official word on what is primary vs secondary.
Not the greatest idea, with as often as instructions screw up.
megatronus wrote:The forest: the play patterns and interactivity rely on the exteriors and alt-parts unfolding and reconfiguring, but that ability to create a base that interacts fully with smaller bots is harder to implement on a spherical shellformer like Unicron, especially one which tries to make the robot mode look as clean / G1-accurate as possible. For that reason, I find the complaint about lack of interactivity unreasonable.
As far as I can tell, this forest is growing out your exhaust port, because as far as I can tell Sabr isn't complaining.
So not only are you obnoxiously obtuse, but you're a troll, too.
I feel much better writing you off. Thanks for the peace of mind.
It's no excuse for me being a jerk, but it felt to me like you were being the obtuse one... sorry...
How does this make me a troll, though? I get that it makes me a jerk, but how does it make me a troll? Amd I am asking this in all seriousness because now it's feeling like there's a line I've crossed without even seeing it, on top of the ones I
know I crossed...
WANT:
* Cybertron Galvatron key, missiles
* Omega Lock
* Primus Cyber Key, coattail panel
* Powerlinx Comettor
* Cyb Jetfire R gun and missile
* RiD Galvy dragon head, beast arms
* DotM Ironhide windshield, R hood assy.
* ROTF Jetfire R JTFR panel
Di Bonaventura is not a credible or trustworthy source. And most fans do like the diversity push, thanks.
Trading MOSC MMPR fliphead Pink Ranger for ER Fasttrack or SIEGE Refraktor