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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:31 pm

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Cool. I hope that Inferno is repacked with Tigatron in wave 4 to get him some more distribution...but again I keep hearing about a re-release of ER Starscream in Kingdom packaging, I hope that's not the case.


That's the Coronation Starscream for SS-86 AFAIK.

Don't think there's another ER SS set for Kingdom.


There is. This has been confirmed by store listings from several months ago as well as Kingdom promotional artwork and some “character bios” for the exclusive box sets. Inferno might be released again in Kingdom if it does expand to fit in a fifth wave like Siege, as rumors are hinting. Or, Inferno might get slotted into a “revision wave” in the future. E.g., Starscream could be swapped out for Inferno in latter shipments of wave 4.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:34 pm

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DeathReviews wrote:Is Wheeljack just a re-release of Earthrise then? Wonder if they simply took all the unsold ER Wheeljack figures and transferred them into Kingdom boxes...


It's just a rerelase. meaning that they produced more for this new line.



It's amazing how they felt the need to reissue Wheeljack again but never felt the need to reissue Titans Return Misfire, Windblade or Twin Twist. Wheeljack was already in Earthrise AND Netflix. I can't believe they would go for a 3rd round.

But I gave up on trying to make sense out of Hasbro long ago. :roll:
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:38 pm

PvP has a video for Tracks. The transformation looks less fiddly than the MP, but not by much. The clear plastic backpack also has me a little worried, but my ER Datsuns have been solid, so not too worried.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:49 pm

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But unfortunately we can't win them all. TR wave 5 was a wave that initially had nothing I wanted. Later I did want to get Twintwist, and was fortunate to get a TT Legends Version on eBay for an insanely reasonable price. I expected it to either be the Hasbro version listed incorrectly, or some sort of knockoff, or have some defect, since they can easily go for $100+ now, but no, it was completely legit, and MISB. ;)^
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Overcracker » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:50 pm

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william-james88 wrote:It's Cyclonus


Cool. I hope that Inferno is repacked with Tigatron in wave 4 to get him some more distribution...but again I keep hearing about a re-release of ER Starscream in Kingdom packaging, I hope that's not the case.


That's the Coronation Starscream for SS-86 AFAIK.

Don't think there's another ER SS set for Kingdom.


There is. This has been confirmed by store listings from several months ago as well as Kingdom promotional artwork and some “character bios” for the exclusive box sets. Inferno might be released again in Kingdom if it does expand to fit in a fifth wave like Siege, as rumors are hinting. Or, Inferno might get slotted into a “revision wave” in the future. E.g., Starscream could be swapped out for Inferno in latter shipments of wave 4.



I see,

So 2 ER Starscreams at the same time from the same mold, in 2 different lines? Odd.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Rogue-Primal » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:01 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:
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Cool. I hope that Inferno is repacked with Tigatron in wave 4 to get him some more distribution...but again I keep hearing about a re-release of ER Starscream in Kingdom packaging, I hope that's not the case.


That's the Coronation Starscream for SS-86 AFAIK.

Don't think there's another ER SS set for Kingdom.


There is. This has been confirmed by store listings from several months ago as well as Kingdom promotional artwork and some “character bios” for the exclusive box sets. Inferno might be released again in Kingdom if it does expand to fit in a fifth wave like Siege, as rumors are hinting. Or, Inferno might get slotted into a “revision wave” in the future. E.g., Starscream could be swapped out for Inferno in latter shipments of wave 4.



I see,

So 2 ER Starscreams at the same time from the same mold, in 2 different lines? Odd.


That just proves how popular he is. I still own the original variant of Earthrise Voyager Starscream and it's amazing on it's own ;)^
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:10 pm

That's right, Starscream is mentioned in the Battle Across Time descriptions. Huh, wonder what is going to differentiate him from the ER release.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Jeddostotle7 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:14 pm

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aronjlove wrote:That's right, Starscream is mentioned in the Battle Across Time descriptions. Huh, wonder what is going to differentiate him from the ER release.

Going by Optimus, Arcee, and Wheeljack:

nothing at all.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:14 pm

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aronjlove wrote:That's right, Starscream is mentioned in the Battle Across Time descriptions. Huh, wonder what is going to differentiate him from the ER release.


Presumably nothing. Same as Leader Prime, Arcee, and Wheeljack.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:14 pm

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aronjlove wrote:That's right, Starscream is mentioned in the Battle Across Time descriptions. Huh, wonder what is going to differentiate him from the ER release.

In Kingdoms case, the same thing that differentiates Leader Class Optimus Prime, Deluxe Class Arcee and Wheeljack aka absolutely nothing. It's going to be the Earthrise release in Kingdom box. The SS86 release on the other hand will be sold at Leader Class price point.

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Three posts saying the exact same thing at the exact same time :lol:
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:17 pm

Ah, ok. I was thinking he was going to be actually part of the Battle Across Time packs, but those references are just to other Kingdom figures. Gotcha ;)^
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:42 pm

Jeddostotle7 wrote:
aronjlove wrote:That's right, Starscream is mentioned in the Battle Across Time descriptions. Huh, wonder what is going to differentiate him from the ER release.

Going by Optimus, Arcee, and Wheeljack:

nothing at all.


o.supreme wrote:
aronjlove wrote:That's right, Starscream is mentioned in the Battle Across Time descriptions. Huh, wonder what is going to differentiate him from the ER release.


Presumably nothing. Same as Leader Prime, Arcee, and Wheeljack.


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aronjlove wrote:That's right, Starscream is mentioned in the Battle Across Time descriptions. Huh, wonder what is going to differentiate him from the ER release.

In Kingdoms case, the same thing that differentiates Leader Class Optimus Prime, Deluxe Class Arcee and Wheeljack aka absolutely nothing. It's going to be the Earthrise release in Kingdom box. The SS86 release on the other hand will be sold at Leader Class price point.

EDIT:

Three posts saying the exact same thing at the exact same time :lol:


I can't believe all you sillies missed the most obvious thing they changed from ER to Kingdom for all of the re-releases. The boxes!

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:59 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:I can't believe all you sillies missed the most obvious thing they changed from ER to Kingdom for all of the re-releases. The boxes!

(I'll show myself out now)


I actually feel sorry for whoever had to draw completely new artwork for Kingdom Leader Optimus Prime. I mean it looks amazing, but for something most people already got in ER..., and obviously very little take notice of ;) . Arcee and Wheeljack appear to just have had the same art ported over (and resized) with the Kingdom background, I could be in error though.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

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I actually feel sorry for whoever had to draw completely new artwork for Kingdom Leader Optimus Prime. I mean it looks amazing, but for something most people already got in ER..., and obviously very little take notice of ;) . Arcee and Wheeljack appear to just have had the same art ported over (and resized) with the Kingdom background, I could be in error though.


I don't mind the re-releases at all. ER Optimus was pretty damn hard to find so people get a second chance. As for Arcee, appart my local geek store, the ER was either never stocked, or it sold out quickly. Finally for Wheeljack, don't even count the Netflix one. Those damn things are distributed willy-nally so that a "why not" for this one.

TLDr I'm all for re-releases. Especially for figures of the last waves of a series that retailers often skip.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:48 pm

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oddly enough, while I saw plenty of ER Optimus Prime, I've never seen one in Kingdom packaging at retail...Arcee, I've seen plenty of both.

I'm for re-releases also, but it should be characters that had a low production run. ER Astrotrain was a great example, as the Siege one never was stocked at any store around me. Inferno would be a good candidate for a 2022 re-release assuming there is no Kingdom wave 5,(I know it's been rumored..) or no wave re-packs as Wolfman mentioned.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Rtron » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:09 pm

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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Nuclearxpotato » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:43 pm

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote: It's amazing how they felt the need to reissue Wheeljack again but never felt the need to reissue Titans Return Misfire, Windblade or Twin Twist. Wheeljack was already in Earthrise AND Netflix. I can't believe they would go for a 3rd round.

But I gave up on trying to make sense out of Hasbro long ago. :roll:


Sunstreaker was more deserving of a reissue (especially with ER Sideswipe being moved to Kingdom).

However, the TR Jets are supposedly the next TR molds up for reissue in the Retro Headmasters line. I don't think rumours stated whether they'll have Siege or Legends Targetmasters, but I suspect it's the Siege ones.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sowndwave76 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:53 pm

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o.supreme wrote:oddly enough, while I saw plenty of ER Optimus Prime, I've never seen one in Kingdom packaging at retail...Arcee, I've seen plenty of both.

I'm for re-releases also, but it should be characters that had a low production run. ER Astrotrain was a great example, as the Siege one never was stocked at any store around me. Inferno would be a good candidate for a 2022 re-release assuming there is no Kingdom wave 5,(I know it's been rumored..) or no wave re-packs as Wolfman mentioned.


Wow... I never saw one ER Prime, and saw multiple in Kingdom packaging the first week I saw any Kingdom figures at Target. Although other than seeing Megatron once, he's been the only leader class from Kingdom I've seen. Ever. And it was back during that first week (that second week there was still one left; back when they had a combo of TF figures on an endcap).
There have been 4 Kingdom Arcee's at the Target by me for over a month now.

What I hope is that Hastak has heard how many of us had trouble finding ER waves 2 & 3, and considers re-releasing multiples of those figures.
I had to look it up, but I figured out that I only ever saw Smokescreen (at an Aldi of all places) out of all of wave 2 and wave 3. And that was for all classes.
Call it bad luck, scalper city, or whatever, but bottom line is that's pretty ridiculous.
I was checking stores 2-3 times a week (both Target and Walmart).

I know Starscream is really popular... But man, I won't be surprised at all if this Kingdom release ends up being a shelf warmer. It really is too bad that Hastak could've have re-released Thrust, even if it was just at Target again.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby Sowndwave76 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:14 pm

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:Sunstreaker was more deserving of a reissue (especially with ER Sideswipe being moved to Kingdom).

Yup... Agreed.
One of many I never saw. I get it, online retailers probably had plenty.
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Nuclearxpotato wrote:However, the TR Jets are supposedly the next TR molds up for reissue in the Retro Headmasters line. I don't think rumours stated whether they'll have Siege or Legends Targetmasters, but I suspect it's the Siege ones.

Hold up, is that actually a rumor? Like, a credible one? Because I'll be HYPED if that happens.
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:21 pm

Tuned Agent wrote:
Nuclearxpotato wrote:However, the TR Jets are supposedly the next TR molds up for reissue in the Retro Headmasters line. I don't think rumours stated whether they'll have Siege or Legends Targetmasters, but I suspect it's the Siege ones.

Hold up, is that actually a rumor? Like, a credible one? Because I'll be HYPED if that happens.

Indeed, as I had heard, they specifically were NOT being done as they were not Headmasters, but Targetmasters and the retro label did not exactly apply to Targetmasters becoming Titanmasters.

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Nuclearxpotato wrote:However, the TR Jets are supposedly the next TR molds up for reissue in the Retro Headmasters line. I don't think rumours stated whether they'll have Siege or Legends Targetmasters, but I suspect it's the Siege ones.

Hold up, is that actually a rumor? Like, a credible one? Because I'll be HYPED if that happens.

Indeed, as I had heard, they specifically were NOT being done as they were not Headmasters, but Targetmasters and the retro label did not exactly apply to Targetmasters becoming Titanmasters.

Edit: And I could use a Triggerhappy ;)^
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Re: War for Cybertron Kingdom Discussion The Beasts Return!

Postby aronjlove » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:38 pm

Autobot N wrote:
aronjlove wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:
Nuclearxpotato wrote:However, the TR Jets are supposedly the next TR molds up for reissue in the Retro Headmasters line. I don't think rumours stated whether they'll have Siege or Legends Targetmasters, but I suspect it's the Siege ones.

Hold up, is that actually a rumor? Like, a credible one? Because I'll be HYPED if that happens.

Indeed, as I had heard, they specifically were NOT being done as they were not Headmasters, but Targetmasters and the retro label did not exactly apply to Targetmasters becoming Titanmasters.

Edit: And I could use a Triggerhappy ;)^
Out of curiosity, where did you hear that?

Post I saw on Reddit way back when the figures were first announced. Not anything concrete but the choices of the first two waves lead me to believe them.
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Postby william-james88 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:30 pm

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Tuned Agent wrote:
Nuclearxpotato wrote:However, the TR Jets are supposedly the next TR molds up for reissue in the Retro Headmasters line. I don't think rumours stated whether they'll have Siege or Legends Targetmasters, but I suspect it's the Siege ones.

Hold up, is that actually a rumor? Like, a credible one? Because I'll be HYPED if that happens.

Not a credible rumour. Right now, the Walmart exclusives for reissues are based on beaat wars. None of the credible leakers have stated the TR jets being reissued.
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Postby Nuclearxpotato » Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:48 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:
Nuclearxpotato wrote:However, the TR Jets are supposedly the next TR molds up for reissue in the Retro Headmasters line. I don't think rumours stated whether they'll have Siege or Legends Targetmasters, but I suspect it's the Siege ones.

Hold up, is that actually a rumor? Like, a credible one? Because I'll be HYPED if that happens.

Not a credible rumour. Right now, the Walmart exclusives for reissues are based on beaat wars. None of the credible leakers have stated the TR jets being reissued.

I think Wreck-Gar said it like, a month and a half back. I'm probably crossing wires, but I think the exact details involved the Jets being next in line for reissues if the current plans sell well.

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