Sid Burn wrote:Chaoslock wrote:I respect those who are happy for these wide releases despite having the Botcon figures, those are real transformers fans.
Those who are crying now are elitist posers, who looked at this news and then at the Botcon seekers they posess and made calcuations on how much estimated value was dropped on those figures... again.
you are missing the entire argument, I have no issue with people getting their $10 'crackers.
I certainly could care less about the cost or resale value of any one transformer, botcon or otherwise.
what I WAS commenting on is the damage it does to botcon as a whole. There are a lot of fandoms that have nothing like botcon so it is a valuable thing to many TF fans.
This situation is bad for botcon, and for anyone who attended and enjoyed botcon as it sets a precendent for the future. We have a great situation between hasbro and the TFCC, I dont want to see it messed up.
do you know how it can get messed up? make botcon exclusives commonplace. There is a fine line between a successful convention and a big room full of dusty crap.
understand now?
FYI, silly statements about the definition of a real transformer fan are ridiculous and show your inability to present a full argument.
Chaoslock wrote:
You think that Botcons main event is getting the figures? For some, maybe, but that's a convention, for gods sake. Maybe it's the biggest, but who cares? There are a lot of Transformers conventions around the world,
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:I actually agree with Sid Burn here - releasing BotCon "exclusives" will make the event less special.
Rarity is one of the things that makes collecting interesting. Hunting down or discovering a cool variant (even if its because the figure was reissued with a new gun) is one of the things that I love about the hobby.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:the only reason the Seekers where even a BotCon exclusive was due to Hasbro not seeing any other way of releasing them back then,
And no BotCon won't become obsolete just because Hasbro releases new and different looking toys for major characters.
Sid Burn wrote:Botcon remaining viable now that people know any popular characters the TFCC issues in a botcon set may see retail shelves, devaluing botcon as a whole.
THAT is the issue.
Razorclaw0000 wrote:Just do what I do, and buy everything.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Chaoslock wrote:I see and agree that releasing every Botcon exclusive would hurt the business badly, but one of my points was that choosing the seekers as exclusives was a VERY bad idea, especially at the dawn of the Classics releases.
That is why FunPub should choose what it wants as exclusives wisely (and Hasbro to agree with anything to be exclusive to somebody). They have to be interesting enough for collectors, but the release not scales smaller than the worldwide demand.
It Is Him wrote:Generations Thundercracker will not ruin Botcon forever. There is no slippery slope.
Sid Burn wrote:It Is Him wrote:Generations Thundercracker will not ruin Botcon forever. There is no slippery slope.
that is a conclusion, not an argument.
a conclusion with nothing to back it up.
Sid Burn wrote:Think you are a little hung up on the term "crappy" from my post. That is simply my opinion.
There are many who see no difference at all that would sway them.
What I am trying to paint for all of you is a situation where the TFCC cannot draw demand for their exclusives and therefore cannot fund their conventions the way they can now. Everything that makes botcon special costs money, it doesnt happen by magic. The venues alone...
I am not saying this is happening right now, hopefully it wont ever happen. But releasing those seekers at retail is setting the precedent. Every situation no matter how great or horrible is set off by one action.
If it does go that way, and the TF community no longer has botcon the way it was, it will be a shame.
get it?
(to check off the rest of what you said, I could care less about KOs, I dont sell items from my personal collection and the botcon seekers are certainly not unique any longer.)
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