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[Midnight_Fox]

Wait, is his head sculpted to be in a perma-scream?

Wasn't going to get him, but if that's true, he's bought.

Still up in the air(heh) over Airachnid, still baffled as to here being shortpacked like that.

[Sabrblade]

So, Dark Energon changed Dead End from being like this, eh?

[Lord Onixprime]

Dead End looks demented, and his bio seals the deal. I will get it.

[Hypershock]

I'm still not convinced by Airachnid.

The others are all pass, apart from Steve.

Same, although it looks like the blades can detach and become a sword, which might not be too bad

[orangeitis]

So, Dark Energon changed Dead End from being like this, eh?

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

[Doubledealer93]

that dead end is bad ass. i don't know why people are complaining about his colors. i like them.

[Rodimus Minor]

that dead end is bad ass. i don't know why people are complaining about his colors. i like them.

Same here he looks great I will be getting him for sure, Whelljack has a cool mould

[Sabrblade]

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

[Hypershock]

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

Here we go again......

[Lord Onixprime]

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

We can at least agree they aren't consistent with each other, so much to a point where they could easily be taken as separate universes. They do have as many glaring differences as they do striking similarities.

[orangeitis]

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

Oh I'm serious.

Are you saying that the G1 cartoon is in the same universe as the comic? Or hell, the Armada anime with it's comic?

While both may be in Aligned, they are obviously separate universes.

[Va'al]

that dead end is bad ass. i don't know why people are complaining about his colors. i like them.

Same here he looks great I will be getting him for sure, Whelljack has a cool mould

Oh I do like him, but I don't like the same mold twice on my shelf.
It's why I have Banzai-Tron and not Bludgeon (that, and the fact that it was easier to get the former in the UK), for example.

[craggy]

LOVE DEAD END! From the first pics, but now he's really a favourite, the whole thing looks great, although the head does look a tad more "movie" than I'd thought from initial pictures.

That Bumblebee isn't half bad actually. That the "black" looks grey-almost silver helps. It makes him look a bit like a bin man. Which is cool.

edit:I acutally held off from Wheeljack in the hopes he'd get a repaint, like the original BB became Hot Shot. The wacky repaints are great in this line. Bring on RAVE MEGATRON!

[Nemesis Destron]

So, Dark Energon changed Dead End from being like this, eh?

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

Holy-crap...it still looks bad ass anyway! But the look of PRID Dead End's head, what gives? Is that his mouth open with all that light piping?

[Hypershock]

I wanna see pics of that so-called sword with airachnid!

[Sabrblade]

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

Oh I'm serious.

Are you saying that the G1 cartoon is in the same universe as the comic? Or hell, the Armada anime with it's comic?

While both may be in Aligned, they are obviously separate universes.

Nevertheless, that is what Dead end used to look like in the Aligned Continuity. The WFC/FOC bodies are what the characters looked like in the ancient past, while the Prime bodies are what they look like in the present.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

Oh I'm serious.

Are you saying that the G1 cartoon is in the same universe as the comic? Or hell, the Armada anime with it's comic?

While both may be in Aligned, they are obviously separate universes.

Nevertheless, that is what Dead end used to look like in the Aligned Continuity. The WFC/FOC bodies are what the characters looked like in the ancient past, while the Prime bodies are what they look like in the present.

That's why I keep WFC and Prime separated by applying the concept of Time Streams. Same Universal Stream =/= Same Character.

[orangeitis]

Prime isn't in the same universe as WFC.

Oh I'm serious.

Are you saying that the G1 cartoon is in the same universe as the comic? Or hell, the Armada anime with it's comic?

While both may be in Aligned, they are obviously separate universes.

Nevertheless, that is what Dead end used to look like in the Aligned Continuity. The WFC/FOC bodies are what the characters looked like in the ancient past, while the Prime bodies are what they look like in the present.

That makes no sense. The WFC designs are collectively a totally different aesthetic than the collective Prime designs.

Yes, I know they're millions of years apart, but we don't have evidence to show that Transformers in those two universes work that way. It's best not to jump to such conclusions. Until we have confirmed proof that they can look however they want to, or that there has been an in-continuity shift in their species design(not to mention every single TF giving up all those stylish noses), there's no need to claim that they can.

[Sabrblade]

Nevertheless, that is what Dead end used to look like in the Aligned Continuity. The WFC/FOC bodies are what the characters looked like in the ancient past, while the Prime bodies are what they look like in the present.

That makes no sense. The WFC designs are collectively a totally different aesthetic than the collective Prime designs.

Yes, I know they're millions of years apart, but we don't have evidence to show that Transformers in those two universes work that way. It's best not to jump to such conclusions. Until we have confirmed proof that they can look however they want to, or that there has been an in-continuity shift in their species design(not to mention every single TF giving up all those stylish noses), there's no need to claim that they can.

What more proof do you want than Hasbro openly declaring them to be in the same continuity? One has one look, another has another look, yet both are in the same continuity.

The same applies to G1 and Beast Wars/Machines. both are completely different in aesthetics (especially G1 and Beast Machines), yet no one questions their being connected.

[Sodan-1]

That new Bumblebee looks crap in those colours, yet it still gets two to a case while the only new figure gets one. Not sure why the case needs Cliffjumper either. I hope I can find Airachnid.

REVISION: Airachnid's not actually that great, but she'll do.

[orangeitis]

What more proof do you want than Hasbro openly declaring them to be in the same continuity? One has one look, another has another look, yet both are in the same continuity.

Because one Hasbro representative might not know a thing about how universes, continuities, and universal streams work?

We need more solid ground to go by than that. I'm sorry, but we still need some clarification on the matter.

The same applies to G1 and Beast Wars/Machines. both are completely different in aesthetics (especially G1 and Beast Machines), yet no one questions their being connected.

It's not the same simply because Beast Wars/Machines had aspects of both the G1 cartoon and the comics. Not only that, but Beast Wars was done by primitive CGI. We don't have that excuse now.

Not to mention that Beast Wars had an in-continuity reason for the aesthetic shift to take place from G1(from Autobot/Decepticon to Maximal/Predicon), and Beast Machines had an in-continuity reason for the aesthetic shift to take place from Beast Wars(namely, technorganic shiz). Once there is fiction that explains how WFC/FoC Cybertron got invaded by the nose-snatchers, there's no need to jump to any conclusions.

[Va'al]

Nah, Airachnid is a serious pass for me.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Nah, Airachnid is a serious pass for me.

More for me to grab then. Dead End is also a must-get, like all things Wheeljack.

[DISCHARGE]

5 dollar foot long



All she's missing is a Subway logo behind her?

[Sabrblade]

Because one Hasbro representative might not know a thing about how universes, continuities, and universal streams work?

We need more solid ground to go by than that. I'm sorry, but we still need some clarification on the matter.

Um, Aaron Archer is Vice President of Intellectual Property Development at Hasbro. He's the man responsible for keeping all the continuities stable and in order, and the one (along with Rik Alvarez) who's completely developed the entire history of the Aligned continuity, from it's ancient past of WFC and the novels, to its present day of TF: Prime, and well beyond into whatever its future may be. He's well above being "one Hasbro representative".

It's not the same simply because Beast Machines had an in-continuity reason for the aesthetic shift to take place(namely, technorganic shiz). Once there is fiction that explains how WFC/FoC Cybertron got invaded by the nose-snatchers, there's no need to jump to any conclusions.

Not everything between the two looks complete different.