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While working at his job in Wal*Mart, TFW2005 user DecepticusPrime found a rather interesting find; possible Deluxes of Rattrap, Nightbeat, Crosscut, and Tankor!

was messing around the system at work this morning(walmart) and saw these listed in the deluxe assortment
Rattrap, Nightbe(at i assume), tankor, and Crosscu(t i assume)

551716976-crosscut
551716975-tankor
551716974-rattrap
551716973-nightbeat

According to the user, he says they were cross-referenced with the IDW Generations: Thrilling 30 line.

Now, before you write this off as pure folly, keep in mind of the following:

*Rattrap makes his debut in the ongoing Robots in Disguise, and will also make appearances in IDW's upcoming series, Dark Cybertron.

*Nightbeat appears in the comics that come with two of the current Deluxes already out (which two, I've forgotten).

*Crosscut's (the Autobot, not the Decepticon) first toy was a retool of the original Generation One Skids, which we all know will be receiving a toy based on his IDW appearance.

*Since we already got a toy back in 2009 in the form of Universe Tankor/Octane, it would stand to reason that this is the Beast Machines character.

it'll be Nightbear...a repaint of Energon Snowcat that I just totally made up.

Or more likely, Nightbeat will be a repaint...but of whom?

I think we've seen a Tankor (BM dude) looking bot in IDW's RID book...I think.

looking at TFwiki, Autobot Crosscut looks okay. Nothing special, but I'd rather a member of Squadron X who was mistaken for a member of the DJD. Or just an actual member of the DJD if we can.

Ratrap seems very likely, as mentioned in the latest Twincast he's right up there on the covers of some upcoming comics, and after Rhinox and Waspy, he'll help add to the Generations BW crew. I continue to be ever more pleased at having picked up United Primal and Megatron, and ever more regretful at having skipped on Cheetor and Dinobot.

edit: just thinking, with Tankor and the Dreadwing (?) repaint/retool of IDW Megatron, these guys could make some interesting new Generic Vehicon modes for people troop building.

craggy wrote:Or more likely, Nightbeat will be a repaint...but of whom?

I really hate to say it, because of karma, but my guess would be the IDW Bumblebee we've already gotten. I'm really not liking that idea, mainly because that would be the third use in the same line. The Seekers are different, seeing as how everyone loves them. Well, I do, at least.

looking at TFwiki, Autobot Crosscut looks okay. Nothing special, but I'd rather a member of Squadron X who was mistaken for a member of the DJD. Or just an actual member of the DJD if we can.

Agreed. I was really hoping to see if we could get a toy of a member of the DJD at either BotCon or SDCC. Especially Tarn. Love the crap out of that guy.

Ratrap seems very likely, as mentioned in the latest Twincast he's right up there on the covers of some upcoming comics, and after Rhinox and Waspy, he'll help add to the Generations BW crew. I continue to be ever more pleased at having picked up United Primal and Megatron, and ever more regretful at having skipped on Cheetor and Dinobot.

It'd be great if we get more Beast Wars characters. Specifically, more Predacons, since Waspinator is pretty much all by myself (I refuse to recognize Dinobot as a full-time Predacon, despite his packaging callouts).

I'm not familiar with these guys, so I looked them up.

It looks like Nightbeat is a Headmaster?? That would be cool if they started doing a few Headmasters?

Tankor: Perhaps a voyager Octane?
Crosscut: Most likely a Skids repaint
Nightbeat: 3rd Bumblbebee repaint?
Rattrap: Cool!

Mkall wrote:Tankor: Perhaps a voyager Octane?

According to the user, they're all Deluxes, so though it would be pretty neat to have an Octane to scale well with the recent release of Blitzwing, it doesn't seem to be that way. Like I said, with the release of Universe Tankor/Octane in 2009, I'm more inclined to believe the rumored Deluxe is an update to the Beast Machines character.

I'm interrested!

Pretty cool ideas for speculation.
Interested if these come to fruition.

Seibertron.com member Mindmaster has found a piece of potential juiciy news, originally posted by DecepticusPrime on fellow fansite TFW2005. Check it out below, and leave your thought in the Energon Pub!

Mindmaster wrote:While working at his job in Wal*Mart, TFW2005 user DecepticusPrime found a rather interesting find; possible Deluxes of Rattrap, Nightbeat, Crosscut, and Tankor!

was messing around the system at work this morning(walmart) and saw these listed in the deluxe assortment
Rattrap, Nightbe(at i assume), tankor, and Crosscu(t i assume)

551716976-crosscut
551716975-tankor
551716974-rattrap
551716973-nightbeat

According to the user, he says they were cross-referenced with the IDW Generations: Thrilling 30 line.

Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.

Generations Ratrap?? Fer bootin' up cold...!

Seriously, that's pretty awesome.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?

When I was proposing my theory, I also hit the same snag. But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.

Ehh, maybe. I could see them doing a Tankor first, then, knowing how lazy Hasbro can be sometimes, they can redeco it into Grindcore.

Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?

How about the laser pistol that was used in the cartoon? Or maybe one of his explosives that he also used often in the cartoon?

I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html

Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html

Is it coincidence that I was just looking at that gallery not even a minute ago?

Mindmaster wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?

How about the laser pistol that was used in the cartoon? Or maybe one of his explosives that he also used often in the cartoon?

I was assuming the gun is a given, but neither of those examples would take up enough space to get a scout-sized Rattrap into deluxe packaging, much like Animated Prowl's shuriken (and he wasn't even Scout-y, just skinny). Maybe if they threw in a dozen of those bombs, but did he ever use more than 2 at once on the show, 1 in each forearm?

As for Nightbeat, that example looks awesome...but dammit, I still want a Nightbeat with not only his Marvel head, but G1 character model chest! To The Pit with IDW considerations!

Mindmaster wrote:

Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html

Is it coincidence that I was just looking at that gallery not even a minute ago?

Coincidence or did i mind control Mindmaster?!?!?!

If those listings are true, then we pretty much have the whole line-up for the coming year, give or take. We now have 17 Deluxes, which is a good size for the year (Prime had 14 and 16 Deluxes, FoC Generations had 18).

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:If those listings are true, then we pretty much have the whole line-up for the coming year, give or take. We now have 17 Deluxes, which is a good size for the year (Prime had 14 and 16 Deluxes, FoC Generations had 18).

I remember reading sometime last year that Generations would receive up to at least forty toys. Including the Fall of Cybertron Deluxes and Voyagers, and the the Thrilling 30 Voyagers, we've got just about forty five in total (may have forgotten a couple Voyagers). I'd say we received much love for us Classics-lovers.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.

There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

I do believe tanker is the Beast Machines guy.

Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

Mindmaster wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

It would still be weird for them to make a toy based on a character that showed up for a few pannels in one comic, and hasn't shown up for 5 years due to being dead.

Dead Metal wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

It would still be weird for them to make a toy based on a character that showed up for a few pannels in one comic, and hasn't shown up for 5 years due to being dead.

Although, we are getting Double Dealer very soon, who died in his very own spotlight issue. Admittedly, he's not being produced with his IDW body, as he's a repaint of Generations Blitzwing. Still, being dead doesn't stop a toy from being made. How many toys did Prime Cliffjumper get AFTER he died 5 minutes into the series premiere?

Wolfman Jake wrote:Although, we are getting Double Dealer very soon, who died in his very own spotlight issue.

Yeah, but he appeared in the IDW comics well before his own spotlight issue, making on and off recurring appearances before his death at the end of in his spotlight.

Wolfman Jake wrote:How many toys did Prime Cliffjumper get AFTER he died 5 minutes into the series premiere?

Cliffjumper also starred in the four-issue Prime graphic novel that came out more than a month before the cartoon's first episode premiered.