Or, my idea that I wished Deviations had used: Have Hot Rod still try to intervene, but he instead trips on his way over and ends up falling between Optimus and Megatron, accidentally taking the shot meant for Optimus. As Megatron laughs at the young Autobot's foolishness, Prime then becomes enraged and beats down Megatron, sending the Decepticons into retreat. The movie then plays out the same but with Optimus alive and accompanying Kup, the Dinobots, and a repaired but disgraced Hot Rod aboard their shuttle. Seeing potential in the young hero, Optimus takes him under his wing while Hot Rod can only think of how humiliated he feels over blundering his big hero moment, getting shot instead. Optimus doesn't notice this at first and is confused as to why Hot Rod keeps giving him the cold shoulder. By the film's end, the two resolve their differences and Optimus personally passes the Matrix over the Hot Rod, declaring him Rodimus Prime, while inside Unicron. As Rodimus defeats Galvatron and destroys Unicron, Optimus either makes a noble sacrifice to end his life as intended by the film, or lives to simply retire and take a more supporting role as an advisor to Rodimus in the proceeding season 3 episodes to come.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. I suspect if The Movie had used the Marvel adaptation, it wouldn't have caused the backlash of the final draft.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Or, my idea that I wished Deviations had used: Have Hot Rod still try to intervene, but he instead trips on his way over and ends up falling between Optimus and Megatron, accidentally taking the shot meant for Optimus. As Megatron laughs at the young Autobot's foolishness, Prime then becomes enraged and beats down Megatron, sending the Decepticons into retreat. The movie then plays out the same but with Optimus alive and accompanying Kup, the Dinobots, and a repaired but disgraced Hot Rod aboard their shuttle. Seeing potential in the young hero, Optimus takes him under his wing while Hot Rod can only think of how humiliated he feels over blundering his big hero moment, getting shot instead. Optimus doesn't notice this at first and is confused as to why Hot Rod keeps giving him the cold shoulder. By the film's end, the two resolve their differences and Optimus personally passes the Matrix over the Hot Rod, declaring him Rodimus Prime, while inside Unicron. As Rodimus defeats Galvatron and destroys Unicron, Optimus either makes a noble sacrifice to end his life as intended by the film, or lives to simply retire and take a more supporting role as an advisor to Rodimus in the proceeding season 3 episodes to come.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. I suspect if The Movie had used the Marvel adaptation, it wouldn't have caused the backlash of the final draft.
Sabrblade wrote:Or, my idea that I wished Deviations had used: Have Hot Rod still try to intervene, but he instead trips on his way over and ends up falling between Optimus and Megatron, accidentally taking the shot meant for Optimus. As Megatron laughs at the young Autobot's foolishness, Prime then becomes enraged and beats down Megatron, sending the Decepticons into retreat. The movie then plays out the same but with Optimus alive and accompanying Kup, the Dinobots, and a repaired but disgraced Hot Rod aboard their shuttle. Seeing potential in the young hero, Optimus takes him under his wing while Hot Rod can only think of how humiliated he feels over blundering his big hero moment, getting shot instead. Optimus doesn't notice this at first and is confused as to why Hot Rod keeps giving him the cold shoulder. By the film's end, the two resolve their differences and Optimus personally passes the Matrix over the Hot Rod, declaring him Rodimus Prime, while inside Unicron. As Rodimus defeats Galvatron and destroys Unicron, Optimus either makes a noble sacrifice to end his life as intended by the film, or lives to simply retire and take a more supporting role as an advisor to Rodimus in the proceeding season 3 episodes to come.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. I suspect if The Movie had used the Marvel adaptation, it wouldn't have caused the backlash of the final draft.
He still gets to carry the Matrix, but for safekeeping in this version since Optimus senses some impending doom forthcoming and feels he needs to serve as a decoy to protect it. He chooses Magnus to bear it because he trusts him the most.sol magnus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Or, my idea that I wished Deviations had used: Have Hot Rod still try to intervene, but he instead trips on his way over and ends up falling between Optimus and Megatron, accidentally taking the shot meant for Optimus. As Megatron laughs at the young Autobot's foolishness, Prime then becomes enraged and beats down Megatron, sending the Decepticons into retreat. The movie then plays out the same but with Optimus alive and accompanying Kup, the Dinobots, and a repaired but disgraced Hot Rod aboard their shuttle. Seeing potential in the young hero, Optimus takes him under his wing while Hot Rod can only think of how humiliated he feels over blundering his big hero moment, getting shot instead. Optimus doesn't notice this at first and is confused as to why Hot Rod keeps giving him the cold shoulder. By the film's end, the two resolve their differences and Optimus personally passes the Matrix over the Hot Rod, declaring him Rodimus Prime, while inside Unicron. As Rodimus defeats Galvatron and destroys Unicron, Optimus either makes a noble sacrifice to end his life as intended by the film, or lives to simply retire and take a more supporting role as an advisor to Rodimus in the proceeding season 3 episodes to come.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. I suspect if The Movie had used the Marvel adaptation, it wouldn't have caused the backlash of the final draft.
I like it, but where does that leave good ol Ultra Magnus?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AcademyofDrX wrote:This isn't broken, it doesn't need fixing.
*Beast Wars theme intensifiesBurn wrote:So how about them Kingdom toys ...
william-james88 wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
But to answer the question: Tigerhawk is huge. He is a big winged god-cat-angel bot. He should be massive, he should have bulk, he should tower over all but OpOp and Depthcharge.
He couldn't be a leader, it would be too small for him and not do him proper justice.
So you'd like Depthcharge to also be Commander class?
AcademyofDrX wrote:It's not dissimilar to the controversial maturity and leadership arc of another space-bound hot shot in another big scifi franchise that will remain nameless.
blackeyedprime wrote:Airrazor and Huffer are looking like my first Kingdom purchases. Might wait for a price drop on Inferno.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:It's not dissimilar to the controversial maturity and leadership arc of another space-bound hot shot in another big scifi franchise that will remain nameless.
I've honestly no idea what this is about
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As for Kingdom though, do the Fossilisers work with the G1 figures or only the Beast Formers? I've yet to see too many reviews that even try to connect them to anyone else at all.
william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As for Kingdom though, do the Fossilisers work with the G1 figures or only the Beast Formers? I've yet to see too many reviews that even try to connect them to anyone else at all.
Oddly enough, Hasbro predominantly pairs them with the G1 characters in their stock images instead of the Beast Wars ones, probably to show that this gimmick is intended for everyone.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Airrazor and Huffer are looking like my first Kingdom purchases. Might wait for a price drop on Inferno.
I still think Inferno [The Fire Engine] was a weird addition for Kingdom. To a line that could also feature Inferno [The Fire Ant].
Sabrblade wrote:
During the evacuation scene, Optimus also puts him in command of his shuttle crew while he rides with Hot Rod, Kup, and the Dinobots. Magnus retains this authority throughout the Junkion scenes after "Kup and Hot Rod just bought it!" becomes "Prime and the others just bought it!". Though, his inconsiderate "I can't deal with that now!" line is nixed for a more concerned, forlorn reaction since it's Prime who's among the crew that "bought it".
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimus Prime died where and how he should have in The Movie. He and Megatron are a closed narrative loop. There is no point to one without the other. So for them to die by each other's hand is thematically appropriate. Just look at how completely out of place Prime was in The Rebirth to see an example of that.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I still think Inferno [The Fire Engine] was a weird addition for Kingdom. To a line that could also feature Inferno [The Fire Ant].
For the 2nd time, this belongs in the Cartoons Forum.sol magnus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
During the evacuation scene, Optimus also puts him in command of his shuttle crew while he rides with Hot Rod, Kup, and the Dinobots. Magnus retains this authority throughout the Junkion scenes after "Kup and Hot Rod just bought it!" becomes "Prime and the others just bought it!". Though, his inconsiderate "I can't deal with that now!" line is nixed for a more concerned, forlorn reaction since it's Prime who's among the crew that "bought it".
I'm glad you brought up Ultra Magnus' controversial line, "I can't deal with that now."
I've never read it as 'inconsiderate'. I've always read it as a realistic reaction. By that I mean it's something someone who is concerned with keeping those directly under his command alive at the time would say. Magnus, being more a realist than an optimist, would go more by the spirit of the Serenity prayer - "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference."
in that moment, Magnus had to deal with the immediate situation of him and the others on THAT shuttle not going down the same way. Of all lines in TF:TM it's the one I identify with most in 'the real world.' Ultra Magnus is the 'real world' Optimus Prime. Optimus has "The Touch". Ultra Magnus is just a competent replacement, not a total replacement.
Also, Springer's line is actually MORE callous than Magnus'.
Rodimus Prime wrote:For the 2nd time, this belongs in the Cartoons Forum.sol magnus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
During the evacuation scene, Optimus also puts him in command of his shuttle crew while he rides with Hot Rod, Kup, and the Dinobots. Magnus retains this authority throughout the Junkion scenes after "Kup and Hot Rod just bought it!" becomes "Prime and the others just bought it!". Though, his inconsiderate "I can't deal with that now!" line is nixed for a more concerned, forlorn reaction since it's Prime who's among the crew that "bought it".
I'm glad you brought up Ultra Magnus' controversial line, "I can't deal with that now."
I've never read it as 'inconsiderate'. I've always read it as a realistic reaction. By that I mean it's something someone who is concerned with keeping those directly under his command alive at the time would say. Magnus, being more a realist than an optimist, would go more by the spirit of the Serenity prayer - "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference."
in that moment, Magnus had to deal with the immediate situation of him and the others on THAT shuttle not going down the same way. Of all lines in TF:TM it's the one I identify with most in 'the real world.' Ultra Magnus is the 'real world' Optimus Prime. Optimus has "The Touch". Ultra Magnus is just a competent replacement, not a total replacement.
Also, Springer's line is actually MORE callous than Magnus'.
As for the beasts not having the ports to accommodate the fossilizers, I wonder if it was just a shortsight Hasbro's part or it was a decision to keep the animal aesthetic intact.
Yes he is.sol magnus wrote:Three, Inferno [the ant] isn't a 'season one Beast Wars' character IIRC.
Nobody but Shadow Panther (who was still released in Japan's season 1 line), the Fossilizers, and the G1 guys.sol magnus wrote:Who else in Kingdom isn't from Season One of Beast Wars?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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