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News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:33 am

Munkky wrote:More Kingdom leaks have come up on TFW2005, from a user named Notomus who claims to have seen both Kingdom and Studio Series 86 listings in Target's computer systems, including assortment product codes.

Notomus claims to have seen listings for six Cores, sixteen Deluxes, seven or possibly eight Voyagers, and two Leaders, but only gives specific details of Voyagers. The Voyager line-up includes the already leaked Dinobot and G1 Inferno, but also Rhinox, Tigatron, Starscream and Cyclonus. Notomus also confirms a Voyager Optimus Prime, but is unsure whether or not that's a mistake in the listing and it's actually Optimus Primal.

Given we know Optimus Primal is a voyager from the previous leaker, I'd be inclined to say it's a mistake it it's not Prime. Granted, I'm already doubting the listings because I doubt Tigatron would be a completely different mold than Cheetor, and I think we've heard Cheetor's a deluxe

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:59 am

Sentinel_Primal wrote:
Munkky wrote:More Kingdom leaks have come up on TFW2005, from a user named Notomus who claims to have seen both Kingdom and Studio Series 86 listings in Target's computer systems, including assortment product codes.

Notomus claims to have seen listings for six Cores, sixteen Deluxes, seven or possibly eight Voyagers, and two Leaders, but only gives specific details of Voyagers. The Voyager line-up includes the already leaked Dinobot and G1 Inferno, but also Rhinox, Tigatron, Starscream and Cyclonus. Notomus also confirms a Voyager Optimus Prime, but is unsure whether or not that's a mistake in the listing and it's actually Optimus Primal.

Given we know Optimus Primal is a voyager from the previous leaker, I'd be inclined to say it's a mistake it it's not Prime. Granted, I'm already doubting the listings because I doubt Tigatron would be a completely different mold than Cheetor, and I think we've heard Cheetor's a deluxe

I mean, the MP Tigatron is a different mold than Cheetor (yes it's upsized, but it's still a new mold). Could be the same thing here.

News Credits: 441 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:02 am

Autobot N wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:
Munkky wrote:More Kingdom leaks have come up on TFW2005, from a user named Notomus who claims to have seen both Kingdom and Studio Series 86 listings in Target's computer systems, including assortment product codes.

Notomus claims to have seen listings for six Cores, sixteen Deluxes, seven or possibly eight Voyagers, and two Leaders, but only gives specific details of Voyagers. The Voyager line-up includes the already leaked Dinobot and G1 Inferno, but also Rhinox, Tigatron, Starscream and Cyclonus. Notomus also confirms a Voyager Optimus Prime, but is unsure whether or not that's a mistake in the listing and it's actually Optimus Primal.

Given we know Optimus Primal is a voyager from the previous leaker, I'd be inclined to say it's a mistake it it's not Prime. Granted, I'm already doubting the listings because I doubt Tigatron would be a completely different mold than Cheetor, and I think we've heard Cheetor's a deluxe
I mean, the MP Tigatron is a different mold than Cheetor (yes it's upsized, but it's still a new mold). Could be the same thing here.

Like an Energon Megatron/Galvatron vs. Super Link Galvatron/Galvatron G situation.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:36 pm

Having Starscream in there seems like an absolute waste of a slot (especially since BW Inferno is still MIA and this would be the THIRD VOYAGER G1 STARSCREAM IN A ROW), but maybe he's a Ghost Starscream repaint of the ER mold? We already know at least the ER Grapple mold is getting carried over for G1 Inferno, and ER Megs and Ironhide are retools of their Siege selves, so the precedent is there, and having Ghost Starscream would make sense in the context of Beast Wars stuff.

I will admit, I was fully expecting Tigatron to just be a Cheetor repaint, that's interesting.

So so far we know:
Core: Rattrap, G1 Prime, G1 Megatron, 2 Fossilizers, ???
Deluxe: Cheetor, Airazor, Warpath, Slammer (retool of unspecified mold, maybe Warpath?), 3 Fossilizers, 2 other Minibots, 7 ???
Voyager: Dinobot, G1 Inferno, Primal, Rhinox, Tigatron, Starscream, Cyclonus, maybe G1 Prime?
Leader: BW Megatron, G1 Galvatron
Size class unknown: BW Scorponok, Blackarachnia, "potentially divisive" Rodimus Prime (maybe he's the Commander Class figure?)

EDIT: Leaker clarified about the Minibots, reworked the Deluxe counts

News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:57 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:Deluxe: Cheetor, Airrazor, Warpath, Slammer (retool of unspecified mold, maybe Warpath?), 3 Fossilizers,9 ???

Well that is interesting. because that was almost for a certainty the "non-transforming" toy from the original series that would come with Metroplex (Original had a transforming Scamper), and seeing as how T30 already comes with Scamper, and we got Sixgun in Siege, then hopefully the Titan really isn't Metroplex. Unless of course these rumors all mesh together in some way. Does it confirm Slammer is a deluxe sold separately, or could be part of something else...??

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:39 pm

o.supreme wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:Deluxe: Cheetor, Airrazor, Warpath, Slammer (retool of unspecified mold, maybe Warpath?), 3 Fossilizers,9 ???

Well that is interesting. because that was almost for a certainty the "non-transforming" toy from the original series that would come with Metroplex (Original had a transforming Scamper), and seeing as how T30 already comes with Scamper, and we got Sixgun in Siege, then hopefully the Titan really isn't Metroplex. Unless of course these rumors all mesh together in some way. Does it confirm Slammer is a deluxe sold separately, or could be part of something else...??

Slammer was mentioned by the leaker waaay back in the first few Kingdom leaks, before the "non-transforming partner" for the Titan was ever mentioned, but after the Titan had been confirmed to not be a BW character. What I find the most interesting about it is that when the leaker first mentioned Slammer, they referred to him as "potentially coming", or something very similarly worded, and if the Titan were a new Metroplex that came with Slammer, then he wouldn't be "potentially' coming, he would be guaranteed coming with the Titan (and they knew who the Titan was at that point since they could confirm it wasn't a BW character), so that uncertainty makes me think he's planned as or is a stand-alone Deluxe.

Also every figure that came with a Titan before now was a unique figure/mold, not a retool of anything that came before, so a retool Slammer coming with a Metroplex would be...unprecedented.

News Credits: 11 · by **Munkky** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:40 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:Having Starscream in there seems like an absolute waste of a slot (especially since BW Inferno is still MIA and this would be the THIRD VOYAGER G1 STARSCREAM IN A ROW), but maybe he's a Ghost Starscream repaint of the ER mold? We already know at least the ER Grapple mold is getting carried over for G1 Inferno, and ER Megs and Ironhide are retools of their Siege selves, so the precedent is there, and having Ghost Starscream would make sense in the context of Beast Wars stuff.

Technically fourth if you count the Power of the Primes Starscream. I'll admit Ghost Starscream didn't occur to me when I read the leak, but I could see it happening. I'd say the reason for Starscream in Kingdom is either A) corporate mandate because he's an A-lister, or B) so the Decepticons have more representation in the line beyond Galvatron, Cyclonus and Core Megatron. Though I still have my fingers crossed that one of the unrevealed nine Deluxes is Needlenose, even if he has lost two fan votes at this point. I still stand by my belief that Predacon Inferno can work as a Deluxe, though I was hoping Scorponok would be the Voyager, but going by this leak it seems unlikely.

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:48 pm

The leaker has mentioned a Kingdom Leader Ultra Magnus, though the details about it are still a bit confusing.

Just a heads up, Kingdom Magnus is a partial of the Siege/ER Optimus molds so the trailer is closer to G1 but compromised a little due to budget etc.

So he has a trailer and isn't just the cab?

Yes.

Is this Kingdom Magnus an exclusive leader or regular Retail because I thought Kingdom only has 2 leaders listed right now

Should be regular retail as I don't usually get Info on exclusives.

Wait so you mean there's going to be an Ultra Magnus figure for Kingdom and that he'll be partially retooled from the ER Optimus Prime mold for the cab with a new transforming trailer coming with him?! That's awesome if that's the case!

The whole thing is a partial, not just the cab. I don't have any of the previous UM figs to compare as I've been waiting for this one. I'd say the trailer looks mostly unchanged and most of the new molds went on the cab and bot mode.

For someone that likes the SIEGE mold, do you think they’ll like the new Kingdom Ultra Magnus? How compromised was the trailer, is it just compromised as a trailer or as armor too?

It looks like the designers focused on updates to the bot mode, trailer is not super toy or show accurate.

News Credits: 11 · by **Munkky** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:14 pm

Autobot N wrote:The leaker has mentioned a Kingdom Leader Ultra Magnus

So a Kingdom Ultra Magnus is potentially leaked less than a week after I pay near-scalper price for a Siege one? Lovely.

I know it's may own fault for not buying one when it first came out last year, but damn, man

News Credits: 441 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:33 pm

Note that "partial" is Hasbro's internal term for "retool", "remold", "shared parts", "shared engineering", etc.

News Credits: 20 · by **Tuned Agent** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:17 pm

I'm guessing that Starscream is a ghost redeco of ERscream, it would fit the 86/Beast Wars theme of the line. That said, I think it's an odd choice for a mainline release, it seems like the kind of thing that belongs in selects. I just hope it's not a brand-new seeker mold to be redecoed and retooled 10 times.

Interesting that Tigatron may be a voyager.

Hopefully the two unknown minibots are molds for Huffer/Pipes and Gears/Swerve.

Also, if the new Ultra Magnus isn't particularly cartoon accurate in alt mode, then what's the point? That's the main criticism I've heard of the Siege version. Is it just so there's a better White Prime that no-one will display the figure as? So there's less grebling in bot mode? I can't help but think there are better things they could do with a leader slot.

News Credits: 32 · by **-WonkoTheSane-** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:08 pm

Tuned Agent wrote:Hopefully the two unknown minibots are molds for Huffer/Pipes and Gears/Swerve.

I sure hope so. I was just thinking last week how badly I needed a Pipes, As the Combiner Wars one never really did it for me, And always just seemed like a Blueberry flavored Huffer. :lol:

Besides the Combiner Wars one, That only really leaves the G1 one.

News Credits: 441 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:07 pm

Allegedly, the original leaker mentioned somewhere that the Voyager Optimus Prime and Starscream are just gonna be repacks on their Earthrise toys a la Siege Astrotrain, Rung, Smashdown, and the Battle Squad all getting repacked in Earthrise.

News Credits: 20 · by **Tuned Agent** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:02 pm

-WonkoTheSane- wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:Hopefully the two unknown minibots are molds for Huffer/Pipes and Gears/Swerve.

I sure hope so. I was just thinking last week how badly I needed a Pipes, As the Combiner Wars one never really did it for me, And always just seemed like a Blueberry flavored Huffer. Besides the Combiner Wars one, That only really leaves the G1 one.

Agreed. It would be cool to see how they'd differentiate Pipes and Huffer, whether they just retool their arms and heads or if they take more of a Siege Ironhide/Ratchet approach and add some gravy on top.

Sabrblade wrote:Allegedly, the original leaker mentioned somewhere that the Voyager Optimus Prime and Starscream are just gonna be repacks on their Earthrise toys a la Siege Astrotrain, Rung, Smashdown, and the Battle Squad all getting repacked in Earthrise.

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News Credits: 4647 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:14 pm

Hey all, just 2 questions:
1: why the need for spoiler tags?
2: could what you are all discussing be a news article to share with the community?

News Credits: 4647 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Allegedly, the original leaker mentioned somewhere that the Voyager Optimus Prime and Starscream are just gonna be repacks on their Earthrise toys a la Siege Astrotrain, Rung, Smashdown, and the Battle Squad all getting repacked in Earthrise.

But an actual earthrise prime rerelease would be a leader no?
Also I am quite confused as to what needs remolding on UM's bot mode to make him more G1.

News Credits: 441 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:20 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Allegedly, the original leaker mentioned somewhere that the Voyager Optimus Prime and Starscream are just gonna be repacks on their Earthrise toys a la Siege Astrotrain, Rung, Smashdown, and the Battle Squad all getting repacked in Earthrise.

But an actual earthrise prime rerelease would be a leader no?

Trailer-less, that is.

News Credits: 4647 · by **william-james88** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:21 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:Having Starscream in there seems like an absolute waste of a slot (especially since BW Inferno is still MIA and this would be the THIRD VOYAGER G1 STARSCREAM IN A ROW), but maybe he's a Ghost Starscream repaint of the ER mold? We already know at least the ER Grapple mold is getting carried over for G1 Inferno, and ER Megs and Ironhide are retools of their Siege selves, so the precedent is there, and having Ghost Starscream would make sense in the context of Beast Wars stuff.

I will admit, I was fully expecting Tigatron to just be a Cheetor repaint, that's interesting.

So so far we know:
Core: Rattrap, G1 Prime, G1 Megatron, 2 Fossilizers, ???
Deluxe: Cheetor, Airazor, Warpath, Slammer (retool of unspecified mold, maybe Warpath?), 3 Fossilizers, 2 other Minibots, 7 ???
Voyager: Dinobot, G1 Inferno, Primal, Rhinox, Tigatron, Starscream, Cyclonus, maybe G1 Prime?
Leader: BW Megatron, G1 Galvatron
Size class unknown: BW Scorponok, Blackarachnia, "potentially divisive" Rodimus Prime (maybe he's the Commander Class figure?)

EDIT: Leaker clarified about the Minibots, reworked the Deluxe counts

Arent you missing leaders Rodimus Prime and Ultra Magnus? Starting to look like too many leaders.

News Credits: 441 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:33 pm

william-james88 wrote:Arent you missing leaders Rodimus Prime and Ultra Magnus? Starting to look like too many leaders.

He did mention Rodimus.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:40 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Allegedly, the original leaker mentioned somewhere that the Voyager Optimus Prime and Starscream are just gonna be repacks on their Earthrise toys a la Siege Astrotrain, Rung, Smashdown, and the Battle Squad all getting repacked in Earthrise.

I hate everything about this, of course even when they're finally expanding past G1 again Hasbro can't stop being Hasbro. If we don't get BW Inferno because A THIRD G1 STARSCREAM RELEASE stole his spot in the Voyager class, I will never let it go.

william-james88 wrote:Hey all, just 2 questions:
1: why the need for spoiler tags?
2: could what you are all discussing be a news article to share with the community?

I can't speak for everyone, but:
1. I use spoiler tags on the off chance that people come to the thread to speculate rather than get spoiled on everything that's coming (since the tags give them the option to not see it), so we aren't blatantly advertising details for a line Hasbro hasn't actually announced yet (Netflix announced Kingdom, but actual Hasbro hasn't, and Hasbro got upset about the PotP/SS leaks, right?), and because everyone else has been using them since Munkky first posted earlier about the new stuff.
2. The Voyager class listings in the Target system could probably be newsed if someone tracks down the screenshot from the Target systems, as they are the only parts of this we have physical evidence for outside of "a credible leaker says blank is coming". I know a screenshot exists, I saw it earlier today, but I think it didn't include all the listings in the picture and the rest were stated by the guy who found them.

william-james88 wrote:Arent you missing leaders Rodimus Prime and Ultra Magnus? Starting to look like too many leaders.

I had not seen the Magnus rumors/leaks until Munkky posted them after I made the post you quoted, since the leaker is posting new stuff in three different threads and I hadn't seen all of them yet, but I addressed Rodimus already: the leaker said Rodimus is NOT Leader Class and that his size class/price point is what's going to be "potentially divisive" about him, so I think the running theory now is that he's the Commander Class figure, and he's gonna be Voyager-ish height with a fully decked out battle station/trailer to fill the price point/plastic quota, which would be divisive seeing how many people already complain about Leader figures in this trilogy being "Voyagers with extras".

News Credits: 4647 · by **william-james88** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:35 am

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Allegedly, the original leaker mentioned somewhere that the Voyager Optimus Prime and Starscream are just gonna be repacks on their Earthrise toys a la Siege Astrotrain, Rung, Smashdown, and the Battle Squad all getting repacked in Earthrise.

But an actual earthrise prime rerelease would be a leader no?
Trailer-less, that is.

So its a rerelease of the Netflix release, not earthrise then.

News Credits: 10 · by **sol magnus** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:15 am

william-james88 wrote:Hey all, just 2 questions:
1: why the need for spoiler tags?
2: could what you are all discussing be a news article to share with the community?

Yeah, I was thinking "Why spoiler tags in a speculation thread? Is it just to be cool? Mine are just to be cool. :-D

News Credits: 4647 · by **william-james88** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:17 am

Nemesis Primal wrote:1. I use spoiler tags on the off chance that people come to the thread to speculate rather than get spoiled on everything that's coming (since the tags give them the option to not see it), so we aren't blatantly advertising details for a line Hasbro hasn't actually announced yet (Netflix announced Kingdom, but actual Hasbro hasn't, and Hasbro got upset about the PotP/SS leaks, right?), and because everyone else has been using them since Munkky first posted earlier about the new stuff.
2. The Voyager class listings in the Target system could probably be newsed if someone tracks down the screenshot from the Target systems, as they are the only parts of this we have physical evidence for outside of "a credible leaker says blank is coming". I know a screenshot exists, I saw it earlier today, but I think it didn't include all the listings in the picture and the rest were stated by the guy who found them.

We have newsed rumours before and can do so again. And since none of this is confirmed, it's all speculation anyway in some regard. No need for spoiler tags really, those would be more for a show or movie that just came out and we don't want to spoil something.

Could you reply to this with a breakdown of what we know from this credible source along with a link to where you found the info? It will then make it easier for me to assess if it's something we colud news as rumours or not.

News Credits: 4647 · by **william-james88** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:54 am

sol magnus wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Hey all, just 2 questions:
1: why the need for spoiler tags?
2: could what you are all discussing be a news article to share with the community?

Yeah, I was thinking "Why spoiler tags in a speculation thread? Is it just to be cool? Mine are just to be cool.

You were already pretty cool Magnus. I saw that pic of you in sunglasses and a backwards baseball cap.

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:03 am

william-james88 wrote:Hey all, just 2 questions:
1: why the need for spoiler tags?
2: could what you are all discussing be a news article to share with the community?

You can news these Kingdom and SS 86 Target listings. The guy who found the listings says that Soundwave, Prowl, and one of the Starscreams are Cyberverse deluxes, not Kingdom or SS 86.

Also, here's a breakdown of the Kingdom leaks. This guy didn't actually post the leaks himself, he's just compiling what the leaker has said.