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william-james88 wrote:

Moonshot wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:

Moonshot wrote:One of the big ones is Goldbug(also a good Alpha Trion)

The reaction alpha trions pretty good for what it is, if a bit small maybe they could do a Red version.


As for where this bee fits into the lines maybe siege was meant to have legends sized figures after all and this was cybertronian bee :p and they thought na, we pushed our luck fooling them with the rest of the cybertronian modes.
Would have been cool for slammer to be this size or core class freeing up a slot in the deluxes for Tarantulus or terorsaur.

I have seen and thought about the ReAction Alpha Trion and the 3rd party one from a while ago. The first is not quite there and the latter is way too expensive. Now a RED Alpha Trion would be great and a perfect character for that line.

But RED works in it's own garbage scale. RED Alpha trion would be way too small to be part of any collection.

A 6 inch alpha trion would work for me, just need them to redo orion pax to be shorter (which shouldn't be a problem with the majority of shrinkages of wfc deluxes over the size of older deluxes). It would probably work with the ehobby orion really well, okayish with TR mold orion and not so well with potp Orion.

In this context, that new Bumblebee does seem to be on par with the other core figure we have seen

Emerje wrote:

Tuned Agent wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Source

Here is a quick size comparison to Core Optimus using the 3mm hand ports as a size reference. He's a little big, but probably as close as we can expect to relative scale at this small a size.

I kinda doubt this comparison is accurate. A Bee that small would be legion class-sized, and this Bee looks way more complex than I think is really feasible at that size (like having thigh swivels). I think it's more likely that this is standard core-size and has 5mm hands for whatever reason.

I think it's just a matter of whoever did this composite image doing a bad job. Those 3mm fist holes don't match at all, Bee's are way smaller than Prime's. Bee should be closer in size to Prime when they match. Still shorter, but with more bulk.

Trying to do this myself it looks like this:

PrimeBee.jpg

Doesn't really work with the rest of the Core Class IMO.

Emerje

Yeah, this seems a lot more plausible. And I agree about it not really working with the cores. That size would kind of leave Bee in no-man's land; he's too big to scale with the rest of the core class, but too small to scale with the rest of Generations.

They did at least make him smaller via Spike, just like Classics Bumblebee was made smaller by diverting some of his mass to the Wave Crusher. But just like with Classics Bee, the effect is limited.

If it's any consolation I think scale issues are easier to ignore at the tiny size... The old Legends class had the same issue, for the same reason.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:If it's any consolation I think scale issues are easier to ignore at the tiny size... The old Legends class had the same issue, for the same reason.

Yup, I have no clue why now all of a sudden it should change. Core class is no different than the evergreen toys or any of those 1$ minifigs. It's the common characters all at the same price point.

Anyways, I realized that Cyclonus is the only figure from wave 1 with no video review yet. Wondering what is taking so long, a bunch of people have him now due to the gift box sent by hasbro.

william-james88 wrote:Yup, I have no clue why now all of a sudden it should change. Core class is no different than the evergreen toys or any of those 1$ minifigs. It's the common characters all at the same price point.

Anyways, I realized that Cyclonus is the only figure from wave 1 with no video review yet. Wondering what is taking so long, a bunch of people have him now due to the gift box sent by hasbro.

I'm very anxious to see a video review... Overall I think he looks really solid (enough to have him on preorder), but I want to see what he really looks like up close and in general outside of product shots.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:If it's any consolation I think scale issues are easier to ignore at the tiny size... The old Legends class had the same issue, for the same reason.

Yup, I have no clue why now all of a sudden it should change. Core class is no different than the evergreen toys or any of those 1$ minifigs. It's the common characters all at the same price point.

Anyways, I realized that Cyclonus is the only figure from wave 1 with no video review yet. Wondering what is taking so long, a bunch of people have him now due to the gift box sent by hasbro.

Most of the people who got those box sets aren't video reviewers. They're site owners of influencers. As far as I know, no reviewers got the Kingdom box set. I know of one who got some boxset from Earthrise. I think because most reviewers cover 3rd party and KOs Hasbro doesn't want to deal with them.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:If it's any consolation I think scale issues are easier to ignore at the tiny size... The old Legends class had the same issue, for the same reason.

Yup, I have no clue why now all of a sudden it should change. Core class is no different than the evergreen toys or any of those 1$ minifigs. It's the common characters all at the same price point.

Anyways, I realized that Cyclonus is the only figure from wave 1 with no video review yet. Wondering what is taking so long, a bunch of people have him now due to the gift box sent by hasbro.

Most of the people who got those box sets aren't video reviewers. They're site owners of influencers. As far as I know, no reviewers got the Kingdom box set. I know of one who got some boxset from Earthrise. I think because most reviewers cover 3rd party and KOs Hasbro doesn't want to deal with them.

.....didn't you get it? I thought I remembered you posting about it...

King Kuuga wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:If it's any consolation I think scale issues are easier to ignore at the tiny size... The old Legends class had the same issue, for the same reason.

Yup, I have no clue why now all of a sudden it should change. Core class is no different than the evergreen toys or any of those 1$ minifigs. It's the common characters all at the same price point.

Anyways, I realized that Cyclonus is the only figure from wave 1 with no video review yet. Wondering what is taking so long, a bunch of people have him now due to the gift box sent by hasbro.

Most of the people who got those box sets aren't video reviewers. They're site owners of influencers. As far as I know, no reviewers got the Kingdom box set. I know of one who got some boxset from Earthrise. I think because most reviewers cover 3rd party and KOs Hasbro doesn't want to deal with them.

.....didn't you get it? I thought I remembered you posting about it...

Nope, maybe I was talking about it but I didn't get it. I'd be floored if Hasbro sent something like that to me as I feel there are quite a few reviewers up the food chain from me.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:If it's any consolation I think scale issues are easier to ignore at the tiny size... The old Legends class had the same issue, for the same reason.

Yup, I have no clue why now all of a sudden it should change. Core class is no different than the evergreen toys or any of those 1$ minifigs. It's the common characters all at the same price point.

Anyways, I realized that Cyclonus is the only figure from wave 1 with no video review yet. Wondering what is taking so long, a bunch of people have him now due to the gift box sent by hasbro.

Most of the people who got those box sets aren't video reviewers. They're site owners of influencers. As far as I know, no reviewers got the Kingdom box set. I know of one who got some boxset from Earthrise. I think because most reviewers cover 3rd party and KOs Hasbro doesn't want to deal with them.

I really thought I remembered Peaugh getting a set of both Earthrise tail enders and Kingdom wave 1, but maybe I am misremembering

PrimeVsPrime got some given to him i believe from a website as promotion. I think the website was Zavvi

ZeroWolf wrote:PrimeVsPrime got some given to him i believe from a website as promotion. I think the website was Zavvi

PvP got SS86 figures, not Kingdom.

Keelan wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:PrimeVsPrime got some given to him i believe from a website as promotion. I think the website was Zavvi

PvP got SS86 figures, not Kingdom.

Ah yes thank you, I got my wires crossed with a similar conversation in the studio series thread

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope, maybe I was talking about it but I didn't get it. I'd be floored if Hasbro sent something like that to me as I feel there are quite a few reviewers up the food chain from me.

Well, you're the man around here, Chuckdawg...I don't care what nobody says!!!

just_aCloud wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope, maybe I was talking about it but I didn't get it. I'd be floored if Hasbro sent something like that to me as I feel there are quite a few reviewers up the food chain from me.

Well, you're the man around here, Chuckdawg...I don't care what nobody says!!!

I agree with you; Chuck's a great part of the site.

Quantum Surge wrote:

just_aCloud wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Nope, maybe I was talking about it but I didn't get it. I'd be floored if Hasbro sent something like that to me as I feel there are quite a few reviewers up the food chain from me.

Well, you're the man around here, Chuckdawg...I don't care what nobody says!!!

I agree with you; Chuck's a great part of the site.

Awwww guys stop http://www.patreon.com/chuckdawg1999

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:If it's any consolation I think scale issues are easier to ignore at the tiny size... The old Legends class had the same issue, for the same reason.

Yup, I have no clue why now all of a sudden it should change. Core class is no different than the evergreen toys or any of those 1$ minifigs. It's the common characters all at the same price point.

Anyways, I realized that Cyclonus is the only figure from wave 1 with no video review yet. Wondering what is taking so long, a bunch of people have him now due to the gift box sent by hasbro.

Most of the people who got those box sets aren't video reviewers. They're site owners of influencers. As far as I know, no reviewers got the Kingdom box set. I know of one who got some boxset from Earthrise. I think because most reviewers cover 3rd party and KOs Hasbro doesn't want to deal with them.

I really thought I remembered Peaugh getting a set of both Earthrise tail enders and Kingdom wave 1, but maybe I am misremembering

He got the Core figures and 86 Hot Rod from a guy in upstate NY like I did. I gotta tell you getting a taste has made me hungry for more, especially Scourge and Cyclonus.

I would love to get the entire SS86 line just so I won't have to worry about any scalpers. Hopefully Kingdom won't have scalper issues; I at least preordered Primal, Cheetor, Blackarachnia, and Cyclonus. Actually, why is Scourge's preorder button MIA while Cyclonus's isn't?

Quantum Surge wrote:I would love to get the entire SS86 line just so I won't have to worry about any scalpers. Hopefully Kingdom won't have scalper issues; I at least preordered Primal, Cheetor, Blackarachnia, and Cyclonus. Actually, why is Scourge's preorder button MIA while Cyclonus's isn't?

He sold out I guess. Try looking into his wavemate Hot Rod.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:I would love to get the entire SS86 line just so I won't have to worry about any scalpers. Hopefully Kingdom won't have scalper issues; I at least preordered Primal, Cheetor, Blackarachnia, and Cyclonus. Actually, why is Scourge's preorder button MIA while Cyclonus's isn't?

Scourge is Studio Series 86, not Kingdom. I know, confusing...

What I mean is why is Scourge the one who's sort of sold out on Amazon but Cyclonus is still up for preorder.

Quantum Surge wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:I would love to get the entire SS86 line just so I won't have to worry about any scalpers. Hopefully Kingdom won't have scalper issues; I at least preordered Primal, Cheetor, Blackarachnia, and Cyclonus. Actually, why is Scourge's preorder button MIA while Cyclonus's isn't?

Scourge is Studio Series 86, not Kingdom. I know, confusing...

What I mean is why is Scourge the one who's sort of sold out on Amazon but Cyclonus is still up for preorder.

And his wavemate Hot Rod?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Quantum Surge wrote:I would love to get the entire SS86 line just so I won't have to worry about any scalpers. Hopefully Kingdom won't have scalper issues; I at least preordered Primal, Cheetor, Blackarachnia, and Cyclonus. Actually, why is Scourge's preorder button MIA while Cyclonus's isn't?

Scourge is Studio Series 86, not Kingdom. I know, confusing...

What I mean is why is Scourge the one who's sort of sold out on Amazon but Cyclonus is still up for preorder.

And his wavemate Hot Rod?

Yeah, him, too. Even Grimlock. In fact part of me feels half of SS-86 isn't unavailable for preorder because the Voyagers and one Leader represent uncommon releases, but I'm still unsure as to why they're not up for preorder but Kingdom is still available.

On a side note, I just did a small head count of the Mini-Bots available in (properly) updated molds, and much to my surprise, (almost) everyone is accounted for:

Bumblebee: WFC Netflix
Cliffjumper: WFC Earthrise
Brawn: Titans Return
Huffer: WFC Kingdom
Gears: T30
Windcharger: Power of the Primes

Warpath: WFC Kingdom
Seaspray: Titans Return
Powerglide: Combiner Wars
Cosmos: T30/Power of the Primes
Beachcomber: Power of the Primes

Wheelie: Titans Return
Hubcap: WFC Selects
Outback: Power of the Primes
Swerve: T30
Tailgate: Power of the Primes
Pipes: MIA (Kingdom Huffer retool please?)

The T30 Gears/Swerve mold sticks out because of its age, does it still hold up with the rest?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Pipes: MIA (Kingdom Huffer retool please?)

The T30 Gears/Swerve mold sticks out because of its age, does it still hold up with the rest?

Pipes has been talked about by the TFW leakers. From what we know, he was designed with Huffer to share a mold and both have their unique designs.

The T30 Swerve mold is fine, but I don't think it's held up over time. It felt pretty simple even among the T30 Legends with Cosmos and Shrapnel still feeling like "current" figures and Swerve feeling more dated. Of all the minibots, I think Gears/Swerve are the only ones really needing an update.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Pipes: MIA (Kingdom Huffer retool please?)

The T30 Gears/Swerve mold sticks out because of its age, does it still hold up with the rest?

Pipes has been talked about by the TFW leakers. From what we know, he was designed with Huffer to share a mold and both have their unique designs.

The T30 Swerve mold is fine, but I don't think it's held up over time. It felt pretty simple even among the T30 Legends with Cosmos and Shrapnel still feeling like "current" figures and Swerve feeling more dated. Of all the minibots, I think Gears/Swerve are the only ones really needing an update.

I think we'll get one in the Kingdom line since he was in the art that depicts the characters confirmed for toys as well as ones who have yet to appear.

The T30 Swerve mold didn't hold up as Gears even when it was new.

Previously in this thread it was said that Polar Claw and Gears got their development suspended because of budget issues. But if sales pick up that could always change, and there's always the line after Kingdom.