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Sorry, that was a typo I forgot to erase.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Its no problemSabrblade wrote:And this is a problem
its personal taste
Then why even bother adhering to any form of canon? Why not just make up some entirely new fan canon that ignores all official canon?sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The bottomline is, fanon is not canon (until made official), and that's what matters.
no, what "MATTERS" is what each person thinks matters.
each persons likes, dislikes, ideas, they all MATTER
what canon says or does not say is of no importance to some, and you nor I can say it should matter.
Dude, you have no idea.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:]Yeah, the terms are often used interchangeably, but couldn't one see each individual continuity as an individual canon?
again, one and many could and do, but the text book definition of the word doesnt support it.
but hell, people mis-use 100's of words everyday, its not like they are going to stop anyday soon
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Then why even bother adhering to any form of canon?
Why not just make up some entirely new fan canon that ignores all official canon?
Dude, you have no idea.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
It's a chimeric fandom, ain't it.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Then why even bother adhering to any form of canon?
thats just it,NO-ONE HAS TOO ,enen Hasbro doesnt all the yime.... thats my point.One can choose to adher to everything, pick and choose what they adher to or ignore it all.
It all boils down to taste.Why not just make up some entirely new fan canon that ignores all official canon?
some have, thats their right, and its what MATTERS TO THEM.
LOL.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Dude, you have no idea.
I've been married twice and have 3 daughters, the youngest is 16, so believe me when I say I have some idea, and at times it drives me nuts![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It's a chimeric fandom, ain't it.![]()
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LOL.![]()
I went to a ghetto middle school in which I swear the majority of the student body must have taken short cuts in their grade school English education. I even got into an argument with a guy over the proper use of the phrase "stinky feet" vs. his preference of "stank feet" ("stank" is a past tense verb, not an adjective, and not even good slang).![]()
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Yeah, unlike them, my vocabulary was not one to be trifled with.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's a chimeric fandom, ain't it.![]()
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looks up definition.............yes, thats the perfect way to put it.*snip*
you can find the same problem in the "richer" school districts as well.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, unlike them, my vocabulary was not one to be trifled with.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's a chimeric fandom, ain't it.![]()
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looks up definition.............yes, thats the perfect way to put it.*snip*
you can find the same problem in the "richer" school districts as well.![]()
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Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Eloquence is bliss, my friend.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, unlike them, my vocabulary was not one to be trifled with.sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's a chimeric fandom, ain't it.![]()
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looks up definition.............yes, thats the perfect way to put it.*snip*
you can find the same problem in the "richer" school districts as well.![]()
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Janus Prime wrote:I guess everything that had to be said about that has been said. In actuality no canon is more valid than others, not even official over unofficial. What´s the difference between imposing official canon over fanon, or the other way around, if any is just as real to one person as the other is to another?
In the bottom line, the two positions are a result of personal opinion and preference.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:To most people, official canon is more valid. That's why it's official.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
What's wrong with that? They're all canon, but not all to each other.Archanubis wrote:'Course, it doesn't help that Hasbro considers just about every Transformers continuity, from G1 to "Aligned" as canon in some for or another. :-/
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote: The problem with fanon is that is means nothing to anyone except the person who made the fanon. To most people, official canon is more valid. That's why it's official.
Janus Prime wrote:Shadowman wrote: The problem with fanon is that is means nothing to anyone except the person who made the fanon. To most people, official canon is more valid. That's why it's official.
I don´t think so. I´m not talking about someone´s specific fanon, I´m talking about the whole concept. I´ll say it like this: If you consider official canon as the valid one, or the real one, then that´s your own fanon, not because you created it, but because you chose it as such.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote: it's not a matter of opinion.
Sabrblade wrote:Eloquence is bliss, my friend.
Shadowman wrote:The problem with fanon is that is means nothing to anyone except the person who made the fanon. To most people, official canon is more valid. That's why it's official.
Sabrblade wrote:It is okay to have a fanon, but it is not okay to claim that it completely overrides official canon for everyone.
Archanubis wrote:'Course, it doesn't help that Hasbro considers just about every Transformers continuity, from G1 to "Aligned" as canon in some for or another. :-/
Shadowman wrote:Except no. Fanon is fan-made, hence why it has "fan" in the name there. Official canon is made by official sources, and is thus, whether or not you consider it as such, the valid one.
Short version: Official sources have higher authority than anything the fans say. There's no two ways about this, and it's not a matter of opinion.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Janus Prime wrote:Shadowman wrote: it's not a matter of opinion.
Wow... OK, what ever, if that´s YOUR opinion that´s fine. I still think that your opinion is not more valid than mine or anyone else´s just because Hasbro says it is. It doesn´t matter if Hasbro says you´re right about a particular point, your opinion is just as respectful and valid as if Hasbro said otherwise.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Except,In regards to such a long lived series, the concept of validity and authority are open personal judgment.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Janus Prime wrote:Shadowman wrote: it's not a matter of opinion.
Wow... OK, what ever, if that´s YOUR opinion that´s fine. I still think that your opinion is not more valid than mine or anyone else´s just because Hasbro says it is. It doesn´t matter if Hasbro says you´re right about a particular point, your opinion is just as respectful and valid as if Hasbro said otherwise.
Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant.
Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant
[/quote]Shadowman wrote:Let me put it this way. Say you wrote a book series. Would you really want people coming in and saying what did and did not happen in your series, then ignoring everything you'd say to the contrary? That their opinion of your work was more "valid" than what you actually wrote?
Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant.
except,we arent talking about who determines canon, but what its worth to some people.Nope! Canon is decided by the creators.
Let me put it this way. Say you wrote a book series. Would you really want people coming in and saying what did and did not happen in your series, then ignoring everything you'd say to the contrary? That their opinion of your work was more "valid" than what you actually wrote?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Janus Prime wrote:Answer me this: If Transformers canon is so strict that no one should even try to imagine their own versions of the story, then why does it actually happen? there´s little room for that in Lord of the Rings or, let´s say, Watchmen, the structure of the fiction simply doesn´t allow it so it doesn´t happen. Are you saying Transformers has the same structure as those other fictions?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Janus Prime wrote:Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant
What bugs me about this is that that´s your opinion, what YOU think, not a universal truth. You can have your own opinion, just don´t make it a rule for everybody else. To you that´s not even an opinion, is it? well, what you´re saying IS a value judgement, not an empirical fact.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Nope, not my opinion. That's cold hard fact. The creator's word is always more important than that of the fan's.
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
Shadowman wrote:Janus Prime wrote:Shadowman wrote:Important rule: Whatever the creator says matters, everything else is irrelevant
What bugs me about this is that that´s your opinion, what YOU think, not a universal truth. You can have your own opinion, just don´t make it a rule for everybody else. To you that´s not even an opinion, is it? well, what you´re saying IS a value judgement, not an empirical fact.
Nope, not my opinion. That's cold hard fact. The creator's word is always more important than that of the fan's.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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