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why does optimus prime tell megatron " i was hoping it wouldn't get to this, brother."

i have looked up whether or not they were brothers, and i cant find out anything. are they brothers. if they are, then why do they fight so much. im guessing this is just a brother and brother matter.
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What is funny I had a post like this once.They bacicly went their seperate ways.ONe staying good the other evil power hungry>I'm not sure if they are brothers hmmmmm

No, it's a metaphorical matter.


Prime calls him "Brother" because it's a gesture of goodwill and kindness, an acknowledgement that all TF's are one race and the fighting is pointless and wrong.


Don't take things so literally.

well what is the point of good will when you just beat the baddy?

Uh good sportsmenship?

no, they're really brothers in the movie. on the DS game, they both call each other brother. i doubt megs would say something like that because he just wanted to connect with his fellow cybertronian.

im starting understand. what i dont understand is that why megatron is the evil one. why couldnt opyimus prime be the evil one.

bearever15 wrote:im starting understand. what i dont understand is that why megatron is the evil one. why couldnt opyimus prime be the evil one.

What? That's the way the story goes. Why couldn't Bumblebee or Sam be evil, for that matter?

Optimus had regret that Megatron chose a path that got him killed.

bearever15 wrote:im starting understand. what i dont understand is that why megatron is the evil one. why couldnt opyimus prime be the evil one.

Why are you human?
Why do you post here?
Why is the world round?
Why is the sky blue?

Coz that's simply just the way things are.

And Megatron has been the leader of the 'Cons since 1984. Changing it with Prime would create havoc.

bearever15 wrote:im starting understand. what i dont understand is that why megatron is the evil one. why couldnt opyimus prime be the evil one.

Um...beareaver15, how long have you been a fan of Transformers? Just curious....

I mean, I know the movie was supposed to be a big change for the series...but I didn't know it was supposed to be that big of a change!

i believe ultra mganus and prime are brothers....

could b wrong though

ULTIMATE_SUPREME wrote:i believe ultra mganus and prime are brothers....

could b wrong though

That depends.

RID: Optimus and UM were brothers.

G1: Not stated, but if you believe Dion became UM, then yes.

Unicron Trilogy: UM didnt appear at all.

Evil is all a matter of perspective. If I were a Transformer, I'd be happy enough to trample on humans for energy, or whatever the current plot device is, if it would save my race.

Who complains when a human steps on ants?

bearever15 wrote:well what is the point of good will when you just beat the baddy?

The point of good will is that Prime was only fighting because he had to. He didn't have to kill Megatron, so he didn't try. Instead, he extended good will because it was finally safe to do so.

AUTOBOT STITH wrote:Uh good sportsmenship?

Exactly. Thank you.

Bumblebee-otch wrote:no, they're really brothers in the movie. on the DS game, they both call each other brother. i doubt megs would say something like that because he just wanted to connect with his fellow cybertronian.

Interesting. Well, if they literally are brothers then the answer is this:

The movie is different from the show. Michael Bay thought it would be cool to have Megs and Prime literal brothers.

Is that really the case? Maybe the sequel will tell.

bearever15 wrote:im starting understand. what i dont understand is that why megatron is the evil one. why couldnt opyimus prime be the evil one.

Why would Optimus Prime be evil? Geez, who cares? That's like saying "why isn't Osama Bin Laden president of the United States?" Because he just isn't and it would be ridiculous and impossible if he was.

That's such an arbitrary question. Whether Megs and Prime are brothers or not, Megatron is evil. Someone has to be for there to be conflict. Why can't it be Megatron?

Dark Zarak wrote:No, it's a metaphorical matter.


Prime calls him "Brother" because it's a gesture of goodwill and kindness, an acknowledgement that all TF's are one race and the fighting is pointless and wrong.


Don't take things so literally.

As much as I'd love to believe this, in a coloring book in the toy section at wal mart for the movie adaptation it clearly states they were brothers on cybertron and that they had "differences" of how things should be run.

I'd love that it could be metaphorical but this is the only thing I do NOT like about the movie. There is absolutly zero need for the two of them to be related. They never have been before this, but I've read other documentation on this to know that they are by this movie, sibs.

The conflict between them is strong enough due to their character's motives and drive. There is no need to make the two of the relatives. Who cares? We're done with Star Wars, ok?

AncientSpark wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:No, it's a metaphorical matter.


Prime calls him "Brother" because it's a gesture of goodwill and kindness, an acknowledgement that all TF's are one race and the fighting is pointless and wrong.


Don't take things so literally.

As much as I'd love to believe this, in a coloring book in the toy section at wal mart for the movie adaptation it clearly states they were brothers on cybertron and that they had "differences" of how things should be run.

I'd love that it could be metaphorical but this is the only thing I do NOT like about the movie. There is absolutly zero need for the two of them to be related. They never have been before this, but I've read other documentation on this to know that they are by this movie, sibs.

The conflict between them is strong enough due to their character's motives and drive. There is no need to make the two of the relatives. Who cares? We're done with Star Wars, ok?

Couldn't agree more.

The reason is that Kurtzman and Orcii aren't good enough writers to realize that. Or John Rogers isn't. Or they are but they think all of us are too stupid to understand good character drama. Either way, they thought they had to invent a motive and a fake conflict.

Dark Zarak wrote:

AncientSpark wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:No, it's a metaphorical matter.


Prime calls him "Brother" because it's a gesture of goodwill and kindness, an acknowledgement that all TF's are one race and the fighting is pointless and wrong.


Don't take things so literally.

As much as I'd love to believe this, in a coloring book in the toy section at wal mart for the movie adaptation it clearly states they were brothers on cybertron and that they had "differences" of how things should be run.

I'd love that it could be metaphorical but this is the only thing I do NOT like about the movie. There is absolutly zero need for the two of them to be related. They never have been before this, but I've read other documentation on this to know that they are by this movie, sibs.

The conflict between them is strong enough due to their character's motives and drive. There is no need to make the two of the relatives. Who cares? We're done with Star Wars, ok?

Couldn't agree more.

The reason is that Kurtzman and Orcii aren't good enough writers to realize that. Or John Rogers isn't. Or they are but they think all of us are too stupid to understand good character drama. Either way, they thought they had to invent a motive and a fake conflict.

I do thank you.

I've always felt that it was kind of nice in one mythos I loved, to not have everyone just have to be related all the time just to stirr up rivalry. The only relations in Transformer were few... like Sunstreaker and Sideswipe. And in true form, a brotherhood on Cybertron only means being built at the same time and brought online together, that is all. Simon Furmon could tell ya this.

I love that the Decepticons were mainly after resources to gather enough fuel to get HOME and what happened? They sometimes ran into humans but they never directly went after humans really. IF a human got in the way then yes, they'd torture them but their main goal was just leaving Earth. And who stopped them every time? The Autobots. See?

The Autobots left Cybertron first. The Decepticons merely followed to see where they were running away to so fast.

Megatron is not all that evil. He's got different means. I like to argue his case like Magneto, simply.. misguided.

Yeah but in the movie the decepticons just want to use the Allspark to convert Earth's machines into transformers and destroy humanity.
I think that is the biggest plot hole cause when Megatron arrived on Earth there were no machines. So how do the autobots and humans figured that one out????

I would surmise that Megatron really doesn't give a damn about humanity. The Autobots probably just assumed that would be Megatron's goal upon awakening. The destruction of humanity would merely be an unfortunate byproduct of converting all their technology.

Seemed to me that it would be a perfect point to run an alternate ending. One ending that would have been better than Megatron bitch slapping Prime, and wasting the dialogue "one shall stand, one shall fall..." Prime takes the Allspark from Sam, is about to push it into his chest, and Megatron, realising what is about to happen, lunges foward to stop Prime, screaming " the Allspark is mine!" or something. But Prime was tricking him, and at the last moment, says" Take it!" and smashes it into Megatrons chest! As he begins to melt, staggering back, doing a wicked witch of the west routine, Prime says " you left me no choice brother" And that is where the movie as we know it picks up. Oh well! Thats how I like to imagine it. Bad punctuation and all.

If you believe the movie prequel comics are cannon to the movie storyline, Megatron and Optimus Prime were co-leaders on Cybertron before Megatron tried to overthrow Prime. The comic storyline briefly hints that Megatron and Prime were friends. The "brother" line is just respect for who Megatron was even though they ended up becoming enemies.

Tekka wrote:Evil is all a matter of perspective.

Look at my motto

i like the prime and mega brother storyline

a new twist on transformers

and a new version of darth and luke for the kids of today

and i'm sure they'll make sum sick storylines outta that

cuz i loved em in the 80's and i love the new twist they put on em as an adult in the present time

Stu Gotcha!!! wrote:i like the prime and mega brother storyline

a new twist on transformers

and a new version of darth and luke for the kids of today

and i'm sure they'll make sum sick storylines outta that

cuz i loved em in the 80's and i love the new twist they put on em as an adult in the present time

I respect your right to like whatever you want, I just emplor you to stop and think before you call that a "new" twist. The relationship thing has been brought into many many different series as an "ooh-ahh" factor to garner more dramatic feel. Two people who already hate eachother are far more interesting if they're actually related somehow right?

I dont find suddenly knowing somebody is related is all that fancy or wonderful.. All it means is that you had the same upbringing and probably the same parents. big DEAL. What's real is the conflict between the two characters and why they are in conflict to begin with. Brotherhood has nothing to do with it except to excite people who otherwise do not "get" the original intentions behind their differences. So they are made to be brothers, now everyone's going "oooh-ahhh!" and WOW thats TENSE!

Naah. Leave brotherhood out. TransFormers never used that for tension. One or two sets of bots maybe three at best, were ever on the assembly line at the same time... but that's about it. We have REAL conflicts to tear at, why make things mushy with family issues?

Ratking wrote:Seemed to me that it would be a perfect point to run an alternate ending. One ending that would have been better than Megatron bitch slapping Prime, and wasting the dialogue "one shall stand, one shall fall..." Prime takes the Allspark from Sam, is about to push it into his chest, and Megatron, realising what is about to happen, lunges foward to stop Prime, screaming " the Allspark is mine!" or something. But Prime was tricking him, and at the last moment, says" Take it!" and smashes it into Megatrons chest! As he begins to melt, staggering back, doing a wicked witch of the west routine, Prime says " you left me no choice brother" And that is where the movie as we know it picks up. Oh well! Thats how I like to imagine it. Bad punctuation and all.

My friend you have written a truly more dramatic scene here and I applaud you for it. This actually would work and would make things much more exciting. Kudos to you. You get an extra energon cube for lunch today!