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As surprising as the list is, I can't help but laugh at the "Shia's corpse" part. If that makes me insensitive, so much the better.

Rodimus Prime wrote:That's a bit harsh. And yes, not Fair. Without Bay we most likely wouldn't have the live action movies, whether we liked them or not. He made the Transformers come alive and more mainstream than they had ever been. He put 6 years of his life into something we treat as a hobby. Yeah, he got paid for it, but he still did it when he didn't have to. And I highly doubt the movies would have been what they were had it not been for him. Yeah, they all have their faults, especially RotF, but in the end, we should be thankful they were on the big screen to begin with.

All due respect, I'm not exactly sure that we need to feel thankful for anything. This is not a "movies sux/rulz" statement, but we are all intelligent enough here to know that if someone thinks a property can make them money, they will use said property to make said money. We don't exactly need to be thankful for anything. When you work for two weeks and then get paid, do you feel thankful that you've been compensated for what you've done, or do you feel that a fair exchange is taking place, based on the exchange of money for your services? Had I not seen the Transformers movies, my life would not have been diminished, and so I find it hard to believe that 'thankful' should be my response. Afterall, out of my own free will and choice I gave money that I earned to someone who made a movie. I wasn't required to see it or anything like that. If anything, the movie personnel should be thankful that so many people paid to see it rather than either not doing so or downloading or otherwise pirating the movie. The idea that some corporation makes a profit by my giving them money does not at all equal the need for me to be thankful.

I am not trying to sound bad towards you Rodimus, I'm just saying. The idea that we should be greatful that someone has made money by offering us something that we would choose to spend their money on is just wrong to me.

I didn't mean it that way. I meant that for as long as I have been a part of a Transformers online community, I've heard wishing for a live action movie. We finally got not 1 but 3, and as a fan I am thankful he made them. That's what I should have said. My mistake for speaking for anyone else. For myself, I am thankful the live action movies exist, even if they weren't made by the most saintly person in Hollywood.

ReDPATH wrote:1. He's a liar

In all fairness, whatever "lying" he did was mearly to throw people off the trail of the details of the movie. So many people felt inclined to know every aspect of the movie before hand to the point that key plot points get reveled and the surprise gets ruined. If i were directing a movie as big as TF and i had to fib a bit in hopes of shutting up some "fanboys" from digging up what My team and i had been working on for over a year, then so be it.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

ReDPATH wrote:1. He's a liar

In all fairness, whatever "lying" he did was mearly to throw people off the trail of the details of the movie. So many people felt inclined to know every aspect of the movie before hand to the point that key plot points get reveled and the surprise gets ruined. If i were directing a movie as big as TF and i had to fib a bit in hopes of shutting up some "fanboys" from digging up what My team and i had been working on for over a year, then so be it.

This.

having re-read - I agree with Burn on his points, i actually agree with a lot of points raised, but you cannot judge someone for being human, nor can you judge them on making changes once they understood the technology that they were using/going to use.

Ultimately though, what has to be understood is the following:

Its gone from attraction for fans and kids to a multi-million franchise, it has to be catered for the majority market. If it was just made for the fans and the fans of the franchise - or dumped into the "its got to be this and nothing else" the entire franchise would effectively be crippled, and leave a lot of people with egg on their faces - and a shovel load of people going "they should have done this.." etc

in short, "you cant break an omlette without breaking a few eggs"

Give the next set of movies tot he guys working on Transformers Prime, that show is far better than anything in the Bay movies

Avinash_Tyagi wrote:Give the next set of movies tot he guys working on Transformers Prime, that show is far better than anything in the Bay movies

You do realise that Orci and Kurtzman who wrote the first two TF movies are executive producing TF: Prime right?

Let's keep those two hacks far away from ANYTHING TF related in the future. I dread the day they decide to stop being executive producers and take up writing TF:Prime.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I didn't mean it that way. I meant that for as long as I have been a part of a Transformers online community, I've heard wishing for a live action movie. We finally got not 1 but 3, and as a fan I am thankful he made them. That's what I should have said. My mistake for speaking for anyone else. For myself, I am thankful the live action movies exist, even if they weren't made by the most saintly person in Hollywood.

And I did not mean to sound as though I were crusading against your opinion.
I agree with your sentiment, and even though the movies aren't the greatest, or perhaps I should say, they're not exactly what I would have wanted, I do think it's terrific that they were made. I just take exception to this idea that we as fans need to be grateful that we're provided the opportunity to buy product or support a brand. People who push that BS line are the same ones who push the line that Hasbro doesn't care about fans and I just have a personal issue with that.
You, Rodimus Prime, you're an alright guy, I've got no problem with what you said, or even the way you said it I guess. No offense, ok? I didn't mean to come across poorly if I did, or make you restate your opinions.

Maybe the problem is that people are posting in the movie forum and we're not screaming at each other or insulting each others' fan level/intelligence.

Burn wrote:

Avinash_Tyagi wrote:Give the next set of movies tot he guys working on Transformers Prime, that show is far better than anything in the Bay movies

You do realise that Orci and Kurtzman who wrote the first two TF movies are executive producing TF: Prime right?

Let's keep those two hacks far away from ANYTHING TF related in the future. I dread the day they decide to stop being executive producers and take up writing TF:Prime.

they produce yes.. I doubt that they have a single writing bone in their bodies combined...

Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.

Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.

I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".

Burn wrote:

Avinash_Tyagi wrote:Give the next set of movies tot he guys working on Transformers Prime, that show is far better than anything in the Bay movies

You do realise that Orci and Kurtzman who wrote the first two TF movies are executive producing TF: Prime right?

Let's keep those two hacks far away from ANYTHING TF related in the future. I dread the day they decide to stop being executive producers and take up writing TF:Prime.

Producing is different from writing and directing though, as long as they don't screw with the writing and directing its ok, all they need to do is keep the money flowing

I'm well aware of the differences, i'd just prefer to have neither of them anywhere near the franchise at all.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.

I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".

Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.

I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".

Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.

So was Crash, but it won best picture at the Oscars.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.

I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".

Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.

So was Crash, but it won best picture at the Oscars.

I saw Crash in high school. I remember it being a good movie.

Shadowman wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.

I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".

Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.

So was Crash, but it won best picture at the Oscars.

I saw Crash in high school. I remember it being a good movie.

I hated it myself. Everyone kept running their mouths and wouldn't listen, which was annoying. Then they had stupid stuff like the guys door getting broken. It was clear the door was broken and he needed a new one but he wouldn't listen to the locksmith. I could go on and on about why I hated that movie, but I don't want to derail the thread.

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Orci and Kurtzman aren't half bad. Many seem to forget that ROTF was produced while the majority of the script was written under fire during the Writer's Guild strike.

I still don't get how that movie was "confusing".

Not confusing. Just poorly written, full of lame jokes, annoying characters, and overused clichés.

No one annoyed me. And what cleches? The script for all 3 movies seemed really unique. With every movie I saw this year, I knew exactly what everyone was going to day. I never felt that way with any of the TF movies.

Yeah but none of the other movies had bright shiney objects that distracted you so easily.

What I learned is that when Michael Bay makes a movie, you can pretty much count on him to use the exact same directing style and to focus on his same favourite motifs--heroism, romance, stuff blowing up--regardless of the movie's subject matter.

That's based strictly on what Michael Bay's actually done, on what he's created, by the way. I've bever paid any attention to what the guy says.

Burn wrote:Yeah but none of the other movies had bright shiney objects that distracted you so easily.

Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!

SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!

Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!

Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?

...yeah.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!

Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?

...yeah.

Well tough, I don't have its script on hand. If I did, this would be a longer post. Still, calling people "thieves" for using a line from a movie that didn't even exist when they were writing their own script is really silly.

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Battle LA did. Captain America sorta did. Especially Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The stole a line DIRECTLY FROM DOTM!

"We only have one shot."
"One shot's all we need."

That movie stole 2 lines right from DOTM's script. The writers of that movie are thieves!!!

Wow, they stole one fairly generic line from a movie that wasn't even out when the script was written. Damn them! Damn them all to hell!

You want to go over all the lines DOTM "stole" from other movies as well?

...yeah.

Well tough, I don't have its script on hand. If I did, this would be a longer post. Still, calling people "thieves" for using a line from a movie that didn't even exist when they were writing their own script is really silly.

Exactly! You've no proof! "Raise your hand if you had a psycho, flying ninja, copier try to kill you today". I bet that wasn't in another movie.