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SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

shamone wrote: i assume that connery sacrificed innocent birds for his own survival.

I had a feeling that was going to be his argument. BUt i don't see that as being the same. Birds and human life isn't the same. (uhh-ohh. Here comes PETA after me ).

It's ironic. The PETA became my new grudge today. And the best part is is that I live less than an hour from their headquarters!

I hate those guys.

yeah damn those guys who think animals deserve a modicum of dignity in life.

Why is it good you live close to them

shamone, I'm just gonna rename you Captain PC. Just thought I'd let you know that.

For the record PETA commits more crimes against animals than it solves, or did you forget about the incidents with the industrial freezers.

Exactly. Plus, they want to take away my meat. No one does that and lives to do it again. I shall have revenge PETA!

By eating them? I admit that would be ironic.

At first, I was just gonna kill a bunch of pigs, then lay their heads in front of their doorstep...but that's an even better plan!

violent much !#

please tell me how animals were invented if you dont mind

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

shamone wrote: i assume that connery sacrificed innocent birds for his own survival.

I had a feeling that was going to be his argument. BUt i don't see that as being the same. Birds and human life isn't the same. (uhh-ohh. Here comes PETA after me ).

It's ironic. The PETA became my new grudge today. And the best part is is that I live less than an hour from their headquarters!

I hate those guys.

yeah damn those guys who think animals deserve a modicum of dignity in life.

Why is it good you live close to them

shamone, I'm just gonna rename you Captain PC. Just thought I'd let you know that.

For the record PETA commits more crimes against animals than it solves, or did you forget about the incidents with the industrial freezers.

Concern about animal welfare = political correctness. Need to get your dictionary oput again CF


Dont really care about PETA, but by saying for the record, you are stating that as fact. Do you have hard evidence of that, or is it more hyperbole. or are you suggesting that their actions turn people against the animal rights movement as turn people on to it, which again would need to be verified.


my comment on trolling was more to do with this line

"Animals where invented for us to eat,". Thats either trolling or mental retardation, i went for the less offensive option

There's a difference between animal welfare and soiling the image of the animal rights movement with boarderline acts of ecoterrorism, supporting actual ecoterrorists (ever watch Whale Wars? they help fund those @$$clowns), and scare tactics. PETA overstepped the mark years ago, bud.

By the way, you need to learn to use "troll" correctly. A person who disagrees with you is not a troll, nor is a person who quotes natural Darwinism. Though I admit to using the term improperly as well amdist headed discussion between us.

Also, I'm still waiting on those homophobia in RotF examples from the other thread. Just rewatched RotF and saw nothing.

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

shamone wrote: i assume that connery sacrificed innocent birds for his own survival.

I had a feeling that was going to be his argument. BUt i don't see that as being the same. Birds and human life isn't the same. (uhh-ohh. Here comes PETA after me ).

It's ironic. The PETA became my new grudge today. And the best part is is that I live less than an hour from their headquarters!

I hate those guys.

yeah damn those guys who think animals deserve a modicum of dignity in life.

Why is it good you live close to them

shamone, I'm just gonna rename you Captain PC. Just thought I'd let you know that.

For the record PETA commits more crimes against animals than it solves, or did you forget about the incidents with the industrial freezers.

Concern about animal welfare = political correctness. Need to get your dictionary oput again CF


Dont really care about PETA, but by saying for the record, you are stating that as fact. Do you have hard evidence of that, or is it more hyperbole. or are you suggesting that their actions turn people against the animal rights movement as turn people on to it, which again would need to be verified.


my comment on trolling was more to do with this line

"Animals where invented for us to eat,". Thats either trolling or mental retardation, i went for the less offensive option

There's a difference between animal welfare and soiling the image of the animal rights movement with boarderline acts of ecoterrorism, supporting actual ecoterrorists (ever watch Whale Wars? they help fund those @$$clowns), and scare tactics. PETA overstepped the mark years ago, bud.

By the way, you need to learn to use "troll" correctly. A person who disagrees with you is not a troll, nor is a person who quotes natural Darwinism. Though I admit to using the term improperly as well amdist headed discussion between us.

Also, I'm still waiting on those homophobia in RotF examples from the other thread. Just rewatched RotF and saw nothing.

Dude as i said peta isnt something i agree or disagree with, but reasoned distrust is fine, not i hate peta, they say i cant eat meat that the other guy used i will question

it wasnt that he disagreed with me that i called him a troll, but that his posts are so extreme that they hard to take reasonable and seem to be there to garner reaction, jsut read some of his priceless posts !

Was he quoting creative darwinism, i wouldnt credit him with that much !

Oh i already replied to that here yesterday !

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=76436&p=1228878#p1228878

anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

I'm not a fan of the looks of the robots in Michael Bay's Transformers A Film By Michael Bay, but looks aren't everything (despite what the casting of Megan Fox might suggest) and some of what I'd heard about the first film showed potential.

Then I watched it. Sure, Fox was hot and stuff did blow up. There were a couple of nice Transformers moments. The vague sense of wonder that came from the Autobots' arrival on Earth and some of the first big reveal shots were good. Unfortunately the majority of the other bits that could have been good would only have been so as part of another film.

The soldiers taking centre-stage, being overwhelmed, and eventually discovering a way to hurt the robots was cool. The actors involved work well, and it was good action...which should have been cut out of a Transformers film and put to better use in a GI Joe film.

The sub-American Pie young-kid and parents "comedy" could have worked in a film that wasn't about giant, transforming, alien, robots attacking the planet. Forcing this tone of comedy into what should primarily be an action movie is one of Bay's major flaws. It works almost well enough in Bad Boys, because of the inherent comedy in the mistaken identity plot, but feels very shoehorned in most of his other works.

In short, I felt that Michael Bay's Transformers A Film By Michael Bay missed the mark more than Pearl Harbour...and just a little bit more than I miss you.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

shamone wrote:
"Animals where invented for us to eat,". Thats either trolling or mental retardation, i went for the less offensive option

That's not trolling at all. Animals where put on this earth to serve as food. What other purpose could they possibly have...besides clothing.

The same purpose we have... To endlessly reproduce. Don't go thinkin' you so special jes' 'cuz you have opposable thumbs.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

Might explain the "continuity errors" people mention. Geography errors, sure...I can accept that. However I fail to see were the in film continuity broke. I can think of one scene: Wheelie kind of dissapeared. That's it really.

I'm beginning to lump that in with "there is no plot" in the Bullcrap Excuses pile. I have yet to see a single reported error in continuity besides Wheelie going away that isn't explainable with simple paying attention to the film.

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

Might explain the "continuity errors" people mention. Geography errors, sure...I can accept that. However I fail to see were the in film continuity broke. I can think of one scene: Wheelie kind of dissapeared. That's it really.

I'm beginning to lump that in with "there is no plot" in the Bullcrap Excuses pile. I have yet to see a single reported error in continuity besides Wheelie going away that isn't explainable with simple paying attention to the film.

Maybe when the humans got out of Bumblebee, they forgot Wheelie, then he got crushed the next time Bumblebee transformed.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

Might explain the "continuity errors" people mention. Geography errors, sure...I can accept that. However I fail to see were the in film continuity broke. I can think of one scene: Wheelie kind of dissapeared. That's it really.

I'm beginning to lump that in with "there is no plot" in the Bullcrap Excuses pile. I have yet to see a single reported error in continuity besides Wheelie going away that isn't explainable with simple paying attention to the film.

Maybe when the humans got out of Bumblebee, they forgot Wheelie, then he got crushed the next time Bumblebee transformed.

That or he chickened out and stayed behind when they went to Petra. He's returning in DotM so we'll find out then.

Maybe when the humans got out of Bumblebee, they forgot Wheelie, then he got crushed the next time Bumblebee transformed.

I don't know why, but this image kind of cracked me up. I know it's a sick thing to think of, but I can't believe we haven't seen a Decepticon do this to a human yet. I'm all for a little human carnage.

i knew they weren't for me when they announced Michael Bay as the director. that guy makes BAD movies. glad the Hughes Brothers are not involved in the live action Akira movie anymore. the Hughes suck almost as much as Michael Bay.

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

Might explain the "continuity errors" people mention. Geography errors, sure...I can accept that. However I fail to see were the in film continuity broke. I can think of one scene: Wheelie kind of dissapeared. That's it really.

I'm beginning to lump that in with "there is no plot" in the Bullcrap Excuses pile. I have yet to see a single reported error in continuity besides Wheelie going away that isn't explainable with simple paying attention to the film.

ok i will break down the scene for you then. I saw it before i posted my comment

- starscream attacks
- bots pull into quarry
- sam says we need to split up, draw fire
- twins, leo and simmons remain in pit
- bee in car mode pulls out
- sam and mikaela on edge of dune ?. says we will go on (paraphrasing)

Now what we see here is empty space, no cover, then in distance, buildings and flare smoke (back to that later)

- devestator arrives, and the twins battle with leo and simmons
(first flaw, the vacuam devs uses can haul cars, trucks, heavy equipment, but the two humans can stand unaffected, and later manage to cling on to a pipe) i let this pass as its a hollywood trope and oft repeated, jsut bad science !

- Starscream hits emp
- cut to sam and mikala hiding in buildings. Now they crossed the open space by foot, rather than use bumblebee, who is no where to be seen. Logically it would make more sense to have bee with them, it would be quicker. if he couldnt drive over sand, he would still offer them more protection than going on their own

- The insecticon detects the two humans. rampage appears, deposits the parents. Sam notices bee, who has appeared from nowhere behind the buildings. Now the cons were scouring the area so he couldnt have been in hiding.

Problem 2 - where was bumble bee for this time. Bad scfripting having characters appear and disappear and then reappear for deus ex machina

- cut to pit. the battle continues

- cut to bee going kick ass crazy

- back to pit, devestator has trundled off, twins, leo and simmons jsut stand around

Problem 3 - Poor scripting, no threat resolution. You introduce a major nemesis, put heroes in jeopardy, then its resolved by the threat walking away

- Twins disappear for rest of movie

Problem 4 - Characters disappearing


Now im sure i may have made some errors in this retelling, and open for contradiction, but there is a good period of time between seeing bee in the pit, to bee defending sam where he is MIA. rewatch if you dont believe me.

Good god.. People just need to get over all this contiunity **** all ready. Seriously this whole argument is mute anyhow. Ever series of TF in every universe has it share of continuty errors. People act like the frachise was so perfect before the movies when i fact is was just as screwed up before hand. That and if all you do is look for errors in moves then your going to be there for days. Every movie has them at some point. Isbit to.much to ask to jist sit back, eat some popcorn and not analise evety little detail?? Geez

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

Might explain the "continuity errors" people mention. Geography errors, sure...I can accept that. However I fail to see were the in film continuity broke. I can think of one scene: Wheelie kind of dissapeared. That's it really.

I'm beginning to lump that in with "there is no plot" in the Bullcrap Excuses pile. I have yet to see a single reported error in continuity besides Wheelie going away that isn't explainable with simple paying attention to the film.

ok i will break down the scene for you then. I saw it before i posted my comment

- starscream attacks
- bots pull into quarry
- sam says we need to split up, draw fire
- twins, leo and simmons remain in pit
- bee in car mode pulls out
- sam and mikaela on edge of dune ?. says we will go on (paraphrasing)

Now what we see here is empty space, no cover, then in distance, buildings and flare smoke (back to that later)

- devestator arrives, and the twins battle with leo and simmons
(first flaw, the vacuam devs uses can haul cars, trucks, heavy equipment, but the two humans can stand unaffected, and later manage to cling on to a pipe) i let this pass as its a hollywood trope and oft repeated, jsut bad science !

- Starscream hits emp
- cut to sam and mikala hiding in buildings. Now they crossed the open space by foot, rather than use bumblebee, who is no where to be seen. Logically it would make more sense to have bee with them, it would be quicker. if he couldnt drive over sand, he would still offer them more protection than going on their own

- The insecticon detects the two humans. rampage appears, deposits the parents. Sam notices bee, who has appeared from nowhere behind the buildings. Now the cons were scouring the area so he couldnt have been in hiding.

Problem 2 - where was bumble bee for this time. Bad scfripting having characters appear and disappear and then reappear for deus ex machina

- cut to pit. the battle continues

- cut to bee going kick ass crazy

- back to pit, devestator has trundled off, twins, leo and simmons jsut stand around

Problem 3 - Poor scripting, no threat resolution. You introduce a major nemesis, put heroes in jeopardy, then its resolved by the threat walking away

- Twins disappear for rest of movie

Problem 4 - Characters disappearing


Now im sure i may have made some errors in this retelling, and open for contradiction, but there is a good period of time between seeing bee in the pit, to bee defending sam where he is MIA. rewatch if you dont believe me.

1. Where did the buildings come from?
I didn't see you list a "Problem 1" so I'll assume this is it. It was a long way between were they split and were the soldiers were holding the line. Remember Sam and Mikaela ran toward the soldiers and autobots, through the rear of the Decepticon line. You can clearly see said ruined buildings behind them. Not a continuity error.

2. Where was Bumblebee
Distracting Starscream. Considering we see Starscream among the 'cons looking for Sam in the town we can assume he was repositioned there. How didn't they see him? They have orders from the founder of their faction to find Sam no matter what. I think Bee could have easily taken advantage of that and laid low.

3. Poor Threat Resolution
Similar to how Bumblebee got around the 'cons in the ruined town, you just gotta think a bit. Devestator is huge, and even two Transformers like the Twins are miniscule by comparison. After they're out of the picture (one got shot by his brother, the other ran for it) he probably just stopped giving a crap. When you're the size of Devestator what do you honestly think two humans could possibly do to you? Besides you're not taking into account of that the fight with Devestator extended past when the Twins were involved. It ended officially with Simons scaling the pyramid after him to get coordinates for the railgun shot. Simons was clearly in danger the whole time, unless a million tons of falling debris doesn't count as a threat to you.

4. Characters dissapearing
I'll give you Wheelie, but not Skids and Mudflap. One was knocked out of the fight and at that point I could easily see the other turning tail and running. They aren't exactly soldier material after all.

5105 Cruiser wrote:Good god.. People just need to get over all this contiunity **** all ready. Seriously this whole argument is mute anyhow. Ever series of TF in every universe has it share of continuty errors. People act like the frachise was so perfect before the movies when i fact is was just as screwed up before hand. That and if all you do is look for errors in moves then your going to be there for days. Every movie has them at some point. Isbit to.much to ask to jist sit back, eat some popcorn and not analise evety little detail?? Geez

I'm with you on this. People say it's wrong to watch a film with the intent to not have to think too much, that it's a sign of being someone with low intellect or attention span. As someone who prides himself on his intellect I believe this is quite untrue. Sometimes I just want to stop thinking for awhile, and movies are how I do it.

billprestonesquire wrote:i knew they weren't for me when they announced Michael Bay as the director. that guy makes BAD movies. glad the Hughes Brothers are not involved in the live action Akira movie anymore. the Hughes suck almost as much as Michael Bay.

Out of curiosity, who are your favorite directors? You think they would have given the time of day to make a silly movie based on a toy? You do know no director wanted to even touch the project? Not even Bay at first. I could give a rats ass about Transformers before the movie. I loved the concept afterwards, but even then, I cringe when I decide to give the good ole beloved G1 cartoon a shot. It's kind of hard to make a great movie when the source material itself has it's flaws.

Iamwarhorse wrote:

billprestonesquire wrote:i knew they weren't for me when they announced Michael Bay as the director. that guy makes BAD movies. glad the Hughes Brothers are not involved in the live action Akira movie anymore. the Hughes suck almost as much as Michael Bay.

Out of curiosity, who are your favorite directors? You think they would have given the time of day to make a silly movie based on a toy? You do know no director wanted to even touch the project? Not even Bay at first. I could give a rats ass about Transformers before the movie. I loved the concept afterwards, but even then, I cringe when I decide to give the good ole beloved G1 cartoon a shot. It's kind of hard to make a great movie when the source material itself has it's flaws.

Finnaly someone who gets it!


Respect my friend.. Respect!

5150 Cruiser wrote:Isbit to.much to ask to jist sit back, eat some popcorn and not analise evety little detail?? Geez

You've been here since the first movie, you know that's not possible.

And hating Michael Bay as the Director? Would people have preferred Uwe Boll?

Burn wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:Isbit to.much to ask to jist sit back, eat some popcorn and not analise evety little detail?? Geez

You've been here since the first movie, you know that's not possible.

And hating Michael Bay as the Director? Would people have preferred Uwe Boll?

They could have got Martin slaggin' Scorsese and they'd have complained. It's the way fanbases are, especially ours.

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

Might explain the "continuity errors" people mention. Geography errors, sure...I can accept that. However I fail to see were the in film continuity broke. I can think of one scene: Wheelie kind of dissapeared. That's it really.

I'm beginning to lump that in with "there is no plot" in the Bullcrap Excuses pile. I have yet to see a single reported error in continuity besides Wheelie going away that isn't explainable with simple paying attention to the film.

ok i will break down the scene for you then. I saw it before i posted my comment

- starscream attacks
- bots pull into quarry
- sam says we need to split up, draw fire
- twins, leo and simmons remain in pit
- bee in car mode pulls out
- sam and mikaela on edge of dune ?. says we will go on (paraphrasing)

Now what we see here is empty space, no cover, then in distance, buildings and flare smoke (back to that later)

- devestator arrives, and the twins battle with leo and simmons
(first flaw, the vacuam devs uses can haul cars, trucks, heavy equipment, but the two humans can stand unaffected, and later manage to cling on to a pipe) i let this pass as its a hollywood trope and oft repeated, jsut bad science !

- Starscream hits emp
- cut to sam and mikala hiding in buildings. Now they crossed the open space by foot, rather than use bumblebee, who is no where to be seen. Logically it would make more sense to have bee with them, it would be quicker. if he couldnt drive over sand, he would still offer them more protection than going on their own

- The insecticon detects the two humans. rampage appears, deposits the parents. Sam notices bee, who has appeared from nowhere behind the buildings. Now the cons were scouring the area so he couldnt have been in hiding.

Problem 2 - where was bumble bee for this time. Bad scfripting having characters appear and disappear and then reappear for deus ex machina

- cut to pit. the battle continues

- cut to bee going kick ass crazy

- back to pit, devestator has trundled off, twins, leo and simmons jsut stand around

Problem 3 - Poor scripting, no threat resolution. You introduce a major nemesis, put heroes in jeopardy, then its resolved by the threat walking away

- Twins disappear for rest of movie

Problem 4 - Characters disappearing


Now im sure i may have made some errors in this retelling, and open for contradiction, but there is a good period of time between seeing bee in the pit, to bee defending sam where he is MIA. rewatch if you dont believe me.

1. Where did the buildings come from?
I didn't see you list a "Problem 1" so I'll assume this is it. It was a long way between were they split and were the soldiers were holding the line. Remember Sam and Mikaela ran toward the soldiers and autobots, through the rear of the Decepticon line. You can clearly see said ruined buildings behind them. Not a continuity error.

2. Where was Bumblebee
Distracting Starscream. Considering we see Starscream among the 'cons looking for Sam in the town we can assume he was repositioned there. How didn't they see him? They have orders from the founder of their faction to find Sam no matter what. I think Bee could have easily taken advantage of that and laid low.

3. Poor Threat Resolution
Similar to how Bumblebee got around the 'cons in the ruined town, you just gotta think a bit. Devestator is huge, and even two Transformers like the Twins are miniscule by comparison. After they're out of the picture (one got shot by his brother, the other ran for it) he probably just stopped giving a crap. When you're the size of Devestator what do you honestly think two humans could possibly do to you? Besides you're not taking into account of that the fight with Devestator extended past when the Twins were involved. It ended officially with Simons scaling the pyramid after him to get coordinates for the railgun shot. Simons was clearly in danger the whole time, unless a million tons of falling debris doesn't count as a threat to you.

4. Characters dissapearing
I'll give you Wheelie, but not Skids and Mudflap. One was knocked out of the fight and at that point I could easily see the other turning tail and running. They aren't exactly soldier material after all.

5105 Cruiser wrote:Good god.. People just need to get over all this contiunity **** all ready. Seriously this whole argument is mute anyhow. Ever series of TF in every universe has it share of continuty errors. People act like the frachise was so perfect before the movies when i fact is was just as screwed up before hand. That and if all you do is look for errors in moves then your going to be there for days. Every movie has them at some point. Isbit to.much to ask to jist sit back, eat some popcorn and not analise evety little detail?? Geez

I'm with you on this. People say it's wrong to watch a film with the intent to not have to think too much, that it's a sign of being someone with low intellect or attention span. As someone who prides himself on his intellect I believe this is quite untrue. Sometimes I just want to stop thinking for awhile, and movies are how I do it.

well the only reason i analysed that scene in detial was people accused me of not knowing what i was talking about and that i should watch the scene before posting, even though i had just seen it !!!

1. Problem one was the physics, but that gets a pass

2. You miss my point. The buildings are there yes, but when sam and mikaela say they are heading that direction, there is a sizable distance between their position and the buildings. A distance which is exposed and a potential killzone. Not the best place to go running unaccompanied, when you have a huge robot with guns who could assist you.

3. Star scream is shown firing emp and joining megs on pyramid. no interaction with bumble bee. I dont accept that the cons would ignore bumble bee if he was in the area, nor that a bright yellow camaro could remain incognito amonst a hive of cons where the onyl cover was human sized

4. i dont consider simmons chasing devestator as a continuation of the threat. he actively re-engaged the threat. not questioning devestators motivation in not finishing off twins and humans, but scriptwriting wise its poor, to have the threat walk away

5. yeh my thought on twins would be same, they got busted up and stayed out of fight. Bit cowardly and ironic considering how much they fight each other and use homophobia to slur characters who are afriad to fight

Iamwarhorse wrote:

billprestonesquire wrote:i knew they weren't for me when they announced Michael Bay as the director. that guy makes BAD movies. glad the Hughes Brothers are not involved in the live action Akira movie anymore. the Hughes suck almost as much as Michael Bay.

Out of curiosity, who are your favorite directors? You think they would have given the time of day to make a silly movie based on a toy? You do know no director wanted to even touch the project? Not even Bay at first. I could give a rats ass about Transformers before the movie. I loved the concept afterwards, but even then, I cringe when I decide to give the good ole beloved G1 cartoon a shot. It's kind of hard to make a great movie when the source material itself has it's flaws.

in fairness quality directors will adapt comic books, and they are really that much higher in the prestige stakes as toy cartoons

but as bad as bay is, he will only film waht is put on the page so scriptwriters get away lightly

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

shamone wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

shamone wrote:

Thunderface wrote:anyway. i knew the movies where not for me when a swinging set of balls where revealed.

thats was the cherry on the top

That whole scene was awfully edited and logically fawed.

Last we saw of devestator was him attacking the twins, next shot he is walking away

They fell off, then he walked away.

And before that you have sam say its 4 clicks to toptimus. With three cars there,w aht would be best ay to get there. Walk.

They tried driving and Starscream started shooting at them. In alt mode they're sitting ducks at least in robot mode they can provide cover fire.

So the twins try to stall devestator. Where does bumble bee go ?

He was protecting Sam, remember he fought Rampage and Ravage?

Honestly, pay attention before you start complaining that it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. I'm beginning to think that he never even watched the movie.

Might explain the "continuity errors" people mention. Geography errors, sure...I can accept that. However I fail to see were the in film continuity broke. I can think of one scene: Wheelie kind of dissapeared. That's it really.

I'm beginning to lump that in with "there is no plot" in the Bullcrap Excuses pile. I have yet to see a single reported error in continuity besides Wheelie going away that isn't explainable with simple paying attention to the film.

ok i will break down the scene for you then. I saw it before i posted my comment

- starscream attacks
- bots pull into quarry
- sam says we need to split up, draw fire
- twins, leo and simmons remain in pit
- bee in car mode pulls out
- sam and mikaela on edge of dune ?. says we will go on (paraphrasing)

Now what we see here is empty space, no cover, then in distance, buildings and flare smoke (back to that later)

- devestator arrives, and the twins battle with leo and simmons
(first flaw, the vacuam devs uses can haul cars, trucks, heavy equipment, but the two humans can stand unaffected, and later manage to cling on to a pipe) i let this pass as its a hollywood trope and oft repeated, jsut bad science !

- Starscream hits emp
- cut to sam and mikala hiding in buildings. Now they crossed the open space by foot, rather than use bumblebee, who is no where to be seen. Logically it would make more sense to have bee with them, it would be quicker. if he couldnt drive over sand, he would still offer them more protection than going on their own

- The insecticon detects the two humans. rampage appears, deposits the parents. Sam notices bee, who has appeared from nowhere behind the buildings. Now the cons were scouring the area so he couldnt have been in hiding.

Problem 2 - where was bumble bee for this time. Bad scfripting having characters appear and disappear and then reappear for deus ex machina

- cut to pit. the battle continues

- cut to bee going kick ass crazy

- back to pit, devestator has trundled off, twins, leo and simmons jsut stand around

Problem 3 - Poor scripting, no threat resolution. You introduce a major nemesis, put heroes in jeopardy, then its resolved by the threat walking away

- Twins disappear for rest of movie

Problem 4 - Characters disappearing


Now im sure i may have made some errors in this retelling, and open for contradiction, but there is a good period of time between seeing bee in the pit, to bee defending sam where he is MIA. rewatch if you dont believe me.

1. Where did the buildings come from?
I didn't see you list a "Problem 1" so I'll assume this is it. It was a long way between were they split and were the soldiers were holding the line. Remember Sam and Mikaela ran toward the soldiers and autobots, through the rear of the Decepticon line. You can clearly see said ruined buildings behind them. Not a continuity error.

2. Where was Bumblebee
Distracting Starscream. Considering we see Starscream among the 'cons looking for Sam in the town we can assume he was repositioned there. How didn't they see him? They have orders from the founder of their faction to find Sam no matter what. I think Bee could have easily taken advantage of that and laid low.

3. Poor Threat Resolution
Similar to how Bumblebee got around the 'cons in the ruined town, you just gotta think a bit. Devestator is huge, and even two Transformers like the Twins are miniscule by comparison. After they're out of the picture (one got shot by his brother, the other ran for it) he probably just stopped giving a crap. When you're the size of Devestator what do you honestly think two humans could possibly do to you? Besides you're not taking into account of that the fight with Devestator extended past when the Twins were involved. It ended officially with Simons scaling the pyramid after him to get coordinates for the railgun shot. Simons was clearly in danger the whole time, unless a million tons of falling debris doesn't count as a threat to you.

4. Characters dissapearing
I'll give you Wheelie, but not Skids and Mudflap. One was knocked out of the fight and at that point I could easily see the other turning tail and running. They aren't exactly soldier material after all.

5105 Cruiser wrote:Good god.. People just need to get over all this contiunity **** all ready. Seriously this whole argument is mute anyhow. Ever series of TF in every universe has it share of continuty errors. People act like the frachise was so perfect before the movies when i fact is was just as screwed up before hand. That and if all you do is look for errors in moves then your going to be there for days. Every movie has them at some point. Isbit to.much to ask to jist sit back, eat some popcorn and not analise evety little detail?? Geez

I'm with you on this. People say it's wrong to watch a film with the intent to not have to think too much, that it's a sign of being someone with low intellect or attention span. As someone who prides himself on his intellect I believe this is quite untrue. Sometimes I just want to stop thinking for awhile, and movies are how I do it.

well the only reason i analysed that scene in detial was people accused me of not knowing what i was talking about and that i should watch the scene before posting, even though i had just seen it !!!

1. Problem one was the physics, but that gets a pass

2. You miss my point. The buildings are there yes, but when sam and mikaela say they are heading that direction, there is a sizable distance between their position and the buildings. A distance which is exposed and a potential killzone. Not the best place to go running unaccompanied, when you have a huge robot with guns who could assist you.

3. Star scream is shown firing emp and joining megs on pyramid. no interaction with bumble bee. I dont accept that the cons would ignore bumble bee if he was in the area, nor that a bright yellow camaro could remain incognito amonst a hive of cons where the onyl cover was human sized

4. i dont consider simmons chasing devestator as a continuation of the threat. he actively re-engaged the threat. not questioning devestators motivation in not finishing off twins and humans, but scriptwriting wise its poor, to have the threat walk away

5. yeh my thought on twins would be same, they got busted up and stayed out of fight. Bit cowardly and ironic considering how much they fight each other and use homophobia to slur characters who are afriad to fight

This is all bullshit. All of it. I would sit here and point out why all of it is BS, but I have better things to do...and I'm at SCHOOL. Doing NOTHING.