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Well, I dont think Thundercracker & Skywarp could work in Live action and plus I dont want to see multiple Starscreams all over the place.

Jetfire I would love to see comeback because he was one of those characters I would have like to see stay around just alot longer.

TF3 really needs Wheeljack & Trailbreaker because those 2 are so underrated.

I think the Stunticons could make an awesome appaearance, but with a new twist. it'd be cool if a group of decepticons land in an amusement park an scan park rides, and then combine into a giant robot (Menasor). thus the Stunticons new iteration would be Rollercoasters and other types of rides.

just something my brother and I thought was cool.

Joshua Vallse wrote:

hellkitty wrote:I'm all for the Seekers, as long as they aren't handled in a sucky way. (More jet = more happy!)

But F-22? Boooooooring. Skywarp should be a Sukhoi 47. I have decreed it. And Thundercracker should be a stealth bomber. Why have them look the same? That's like...Zach and Cody. Olsen Twins. Creepy.

HK, like ANYONE listens to me?

Hum, interesting. The fallen was suppose to Transform into a Stealth Bomber, was really great conceptually, pitty it didn't make it into the film.

I like the Lockheed Martin F-35 myself.

Or even it's predecessor, the X 35, here's a link to some vid clips. It's the Jet the one in Die Hard is based off of, the Tornado I think they called it.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/259110/wo ... _the_x_35/

The Sukhoi is honestly what I think Jetfire should have been. But still, a great choice of aircraft.

There's also another one, Boeing I think developed it in the contract race for the military against the Raptor, I think it was called the Lockheed, but I can't remember. Might be interesting though, Skywarp and Thundercracker digging up experimental aircraft and just doing their own spin on them. Sure the Gov wouldn't mind being none of these models are in service, and the tech sensitive crafts like the Bomber and S-Fighter wouldn't be a development nightmare for the Production team.

Astrotrain I would luv to see, just out of morbid curiosity.

Tidalwave! After seeing that giant Sub-Transformer from Josh Nizzi, it must make it to the big screen!


Truth be told, I'd like to see Soundwave and Jolt in this third film too.....seems pointless to demand characters if they're only going to be on screen for...wha? 10 seconds max? Hell even Bonecrusher and Brawl had more screen time.

-Josh

The X-35 is simply the prototype of the F-35. The X-35 competed against Boeing and their X-32 design for the JSF contract, with the X-35 winning.

Jetfire being a Su-47 wouldn't make sense at all. It's a one off built aircraft, and it would have been developed while Jetfire was in statis lock for decades.

Skullgrin140 wrote:Well, I dont think Thundercracker & Skywarp could work in Live action and plus I dont want to see multiple Starscreams all over the place.

Jetfire I would love to see comeback because he was one of those characters I would have like to see stay around just alot longer.

TF3 really needs Wheeljack & Trailbreaker because those 2 are so underrated.

We need more Decepticons that actually stay alive, and less "invincible" Autobots.

Convotron wrote:Wreck-Gar.

I know, I know, the last thing we need is another character with silly potential but I think the overly mechanical design style of the live action movies would be great for the concept of a Junkion.

I agree tremendously. The falling apart transformer was funny when jetfire did it.
Maybe the Geewunners who like little nods could get behind Wrrck-Gar (Of course voiced by wierd Al) in the next movie. I bet it would be a blast for the artists because he could improve/replace things alot and then have a different frame/altmode to deal with. Plus of course parts falling off at random.

Rodimus_light wrote:

Convotron wrote:Wreck-Gar.

I know, I know, the last thing we need is another character with silly potential but I think the overly mechanical design style of the live action movies would be great for the concept of a Junkion.

I agree tremendously. The falling apart transformer was funny when jetfire did it.
Maybe the Geewunners who like little nods could get behind Wrrck-Gar (Of course voiced by wierd Al) in the next movie. I bet it would be a blast for the artists because he could improve/replace things alot and then have a different frame/altmode to deal with. Plus of course parts falling off at random.

I just thought of something...seeing as G1 Wreck-Gar spoke in sound bytes, a live action movie version could do the same. Unfortunately, Bumblebee speaks this way through his radio. So having Wreck-Gar doing this kind of speech pattern as a nod to his G1 incarnation wouldn't fly in the movie as BB already does it. D'oh!

Pontimax 01 wrote:

The X-35 is simply the prototype of the F-35. The X-35 competed against Boeing and their X-32 design for the JSF contract, with the X-35 winning.

Jetfire being a Su-47 wouldn't make sense at all. It's a one off built aircraft, and it would have been developed while Jetfire was in statis lock for decades.

Hence the word, "Predecessor" my dear. The X-35 came first....the F-35 being the mass production counterpart. Coming first equals.....Predecessor.

But if your going to be a stickler, Prototype then.

I don't fully understand you comment about Jetfire. According to this you think the few years between the development of the Blackbird and the Sukhoi are prominent compared to the millennia Jetfire was on earth apparently sleeping. And because of this Jetfire simply cannot be this form just due to the fact that the writers choose some random time for him to go into stasis while the rest of the seekers pictured seemed to have chosen forms dating back to the 20s and 30s?

Yeah.....no. Not buying it. Even by todays standards, the Blackbird is still a top class piece of machinery. Hence why I couldn't buy the whole "Old" Jetfire thing, if they chose another form like a F-16 or a Saudi Tornado or even the Mig, I could have bought it then.

No, I'm talking about the Jetfire that was suppose to be this top flying Ace maverick character, just flying and blowing things up, hence Hellkittys observation of the Sukhoi is a perfect fit.

Even the stealth fighter, though I think Agentdc7 already did a design with Cyclonus, the S-Fighter being it's alternate mode which I think was a stroke of genius.

I would also love to see Prowl, maybe as a secret service vehicle based off the new BMW Hybrid concept, and finally put him against Barricade and give us a decent wrap up of a decent character.

I also like the Formula 1 transformer, I think it was a bad girl decepticon but I can't remember her name. I know the artist of Reign of Starscream did some great designs for it, wouldn't mind this making it to the big screen either.

I know Cliffjumper is suppose to be a twin of some sorts, but I'd like to see him as the newer Dodge Challengers. But as with the BMW, or any other make of car, I'm sure there would be issues as far as licenses.

Hah ha, just though of something silly. Fortress Maximus being Area 51....oh the irony.

Predecessor to me would imply a functional aircraft frame that came before the JSF program. The Harrier would be considered a predecessor as it's a generational step back(for the VSTOL variant of the JSF anyway). But since the X craft was simply an extension of the JSF program, it's only a prototype. We wouldn't call a transformer prototype on Ebay a predecessor.

Anyway, the Jetfire conversation is still moot. Even with other seekers having older alt modes, we just don't know enough about what happened to them. They could have gone into statis a lot earlier then Jetfire or reformatted later. Jetfire very well could have had an old tyme alt mode, he could then have modernized his alt mode in the mid 1960's when the SR-71 first came online, and then himself gone into stasis (maybe hastening stasis because of rescanning himself even?). And at some point was put into a museum. The SU-47 was built in the early to mid 90's and first flown as an experimental prototype aircraft in 1997, and no more were ever built.

It's reasonable to assume, given the history of the particular SR71 they used in the film, that Jetfire went offline sometime after 1966 and sometime before being put into long term storage as a display piece. Which is also before the SU-47 ever existed.

History for that particular jet is interesting btw, if anyone else cares.

SR-71A #61-7972 is on display at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, VA. From 1991 until September 2003, #972 was in storage at Washington Dulles International Airport in a building specifically constructed for this aircraft. There, it was under strict surveillance by National Air and Space Museum representatives, who regularly adjusted humidity levels to ensure the best possible preservation conditions. This aircraft is no doubt the best-looking of the remaining SR-71s, along with SR-71A #976.

This aircraft holds many records that were set on 6 March 1990, when it was flown from Palmdale to Dulles in what was intended to be the last USAF flight of the SR-71. It also holds the New York to London record of 1 hour, 54 minutes, 56.4 seconds set in 1974. You may have noted the Skunk Works insignia on the rudders of #972. After SR-71A #955's last flight on 24 January 1985, #972 became the Palmdale test aircraft. This aircraft's assembly started 13 December 1965 and was rolled out on 15 September 1966. #972 first flew on 12 December 1966 and over the course of 23½ years, it flew for 2801.1 hours.

The first 18 photos were taken at the Udvar-Hazy Center on 15 December 2003, opening day for the new facility. The SR-71 is displayed in a prominent position right at the entrance to the aviation hangar. The last 17 photos were taken at the storage shed at Dulles Airport on 23 July 2002.

Joshua Vallse wrote:
I would also love to see Prowl, maybe as a secret service vehicle based off the new BMW Hybrid concept, and finally put him against Barricade and give us a decent wrap up of a decent character.

I also like the Formula 1 transformer, I think it was a bad girl decepticon but I can't remember her name. I know the artist of Reign of Starscream did some great designs for it, wouldn't mind this making it to the big screen either.

I know Cliffjumper is suppose to be a twin of some sorts, but I'd like to see him as the newer Dodge Challengers. But as with the BMW, or any other make of car, I'm sure there would be issues as far as licenses.

Definitely second having Prowl in the next one. He's been a prominent character in the movie comics.
The Formula 1 Transformer you're talking about is Fracture. Definitely love to see her, though I don't know how good of a disguise that would prove to be.
I'd had the same thought about Cliffjumper being a Challenger or Charger, btw.

I really can't call it "just" a prototype, expecially since the original X-35 was developed in two modes (A and B) with different specifications to replace two classes of aircraft. The Harrier being one of them. In fact to be more secific, the same X fighter in both A and B modes is scheduled to replace the following by 2011- (Just in time for the third film!)

X-35 A: Replacing the F-16 Fighting Falcon, A-10 Thunderbolt, lightest and and smallest of the three variant modes, only type to carry the internal GAU 22 cannon inside its frame, a upgrade of the M 61 Vulcan.

X-35 B: Second mode of the X fighter, replacing the Harrier as well as the F/A-18 Hornet for both our military and the royal navy as well, the X-B utilizes the vertical shaft-driven lift fan (The one seen in Die Hard 2).

The last form is a whole separate craft derived from the X A/B, The X-C is the largest I believe of the three X's, it will replace the Naval F/A 18 A through D Hornets, as well as the Super Hornet. The X-C has the largest wingspan of the X fighters, as well as the only capable of landing on a Carrier being it's larger landing gear is designed to handle the stress.

The F-35 Lightning II, is also noted of being a descendant of the X, so the way I figure a Aircraft fighter capable of three separate modes, with one being able to convert both to A and B modes, thats a top class piece of love right there. Deserving of being credited as a Predecessor, this thing is like the CAS system of the Liger Zero from ZOIDS. Thats right, I brought up ZOIDS.

So being none of the F-35's A or B models have that convertibility, the way I see it is either Thundercracker or Skywarp can be the F-35 Type C being the larger for Imposing presence, and the X-35 A/B being capable of transforming into both modes, so we would have a transformer that would transform it's alternate mode into two types of jets as well as transform into a Robot, how is that not a win?????

Plus, saying X-Fighter is just more cool then saying F-35 Lightning. Dunno why just is.


Yes, the whole Jetfire thing was moot, which is why I was lost why you would bring it up in the first place.
Regardless, if they included Thundercracker and Skywarp as well as Starscream, they need to bring back Jetfire. They just need to. Those three would have a killing spree without Jetfire and others to hold them off.

Also I would like them to utilize the alternate head modeled for the classic repaint of Starscream. I think a version of Skywarp was also reissued with this head, it's a very good design. Alot cleaner and menacing I think then the head they chose to go with for Starscream.

This head here:
http://images.toywizard.net/0001/transf ... lusive.jpg

And for fun, here's a pic of the new BMW Hybrid concept for anyone curious:
http://fancytuning.com/2009/09/bmw-visi ... ncept-car/

Laters,
Josh

that BMW concept car looks great, but I'm not into having prototype cars as alt modes for transformers... how bad a disguise is that? they should all transform into normal everyday cars

hellkitty wrote:I'm all for the Seekers, as long as they aren't handled in a sucky way. (More jet = more happy!)

But F-22? Boooooooring. Skywarp should be a Sukhoi 47. I have decreed it. And Thundercracker should be a stealth bomber. Why have them look the same? That's like...Zach and Cody. Olsen Twins. Creepy.

HK, like ANYONE listens to me?

Uh oh HK has made a declaration! Must....obey......must have Sukhoi 47 in next movie....

I don't think Thundercracker, who is supposed to be LOUD should be something undetectable....that just doesn't seem right. At least one seeker should be an F-15 and I think Thundercracker should.

I would personally like to see Skywarp as an F-117.

Thrust = VTOL aka Harrier

Ramjet = Russian Foxbat

Dirge = Russian Su-37

sushilove wrote:that BMW concept car looks great, but I'm not into having prototype cars as alt modes for transformers... how bad a disguise is that? they should all transform into normal everyday cars

But, but.....Bumblebee and Sideswipe were concept cars.
You have a good point however...being there are only suppose to be one of them rolling around, alas only more plot issues to add to the ever growing list.

BTW, I know Dreadwing is suppose to be dead an all, but being Bay is Bay, I wouldn't be against him being in the third film, especially after Blackout and Bonecrushers return, and the issue with the whole Constructicon clone thingy....

And I think he would be great as the Boeing Bird of Prey. Anyone else see this thing? It's suppose to have panels that change coloration to make effective stealth missions during the day. Wild piece of tech.

-Josh

They should just create all new characters, instead of using characters who mostly look and act nothing like their namesake.

I just had this totally crazy idea for Jetfire altmode... he should have been a Concorde plane!! think about it... in the cartoon he was huge, he was able to transport other transformers on him... so he should be a bigger plane. Also, the Concorde was white so it matches jetfire original color. And last, Concordes are out of use and probably there are some at display in an aircraft museum so it fits into the ROTF plot...

Then, they could have keep the black plane altmode to The Fallen... maybe a B-2 bomber or the same Blackbird they end up using for jetfire... I don't like him not having an altmode. Is it going to be the usual thing for decepticons from now on? make them look as alien spaceships... do they not need to hide anymore or what...

For Skywarp... I totally see it as a F117 jet... they should do some transformer as a F117 because it looks super cool.

And Thundercracker any other fighter jet, as long as its different than Starscream.

Bloodlust wrote:I don't think Thundercracker, who is supposed to be LOUD should be something undetectable....that just doesn't seem right. At least one seeker should be an F-15 and I think Thundercracker should.

Agreed!

syphonn wrote:They should just create all new characters, instead of using characters who mostly look and act nothing like their namesake.

I'd like to see this because the films have done this throughout most of their characters. The idea of using the same names is for recognition, which is pointless if one can't recognize the movie version for its namesake. Movie Sideswipe is very cool...just not my understanding of "Sideswipe". If it was called something else, I'd be just as happy and less let down by unmet expectations.

Sure, keep the ones you have now like Optimus Prime but for TF3, why not go with 100% new characters? It's better than giving just a name to a character that otherwise doesn't resemble any pre-existing Transformers character.

Convotron wrote:

Bloodlust wrote:I don't think Thundercracker, who is supposed to be LOUD should be something undetectable....that just doesn't seem right. At least one seeker should be an F-15 and I think Thundercracker should.

Agreed!

Oh y'all just don't have my highly machined sense of irony.... Okay, point taken. TC should be something LOUD.

Who should be the Osprey? IMO that is the UGLIEST thingummy ever to take flight.

I nominate an Autobot.

syphonn wrote:They should just create all new characters, instead of using characters who mostly look and act nothing like their namesake.

I'd like to see this because the films have done this throughout most of their characters. The idea of using the same names is for recognition, which is pointless if one can't recognize the movie version for its namesake. Movie Sideswipe is very cool...just not my understanding of "Sideswipe". If it was called something else, I'd be just as happy and less let down by unmet expectations.

Sure, keep the ones you have now like Optimus Prime but for TF3, why not go with 100% new characters? It's better than giving just a name to a character that otherwise doesn't resemble any pre-existing Transformers character.[/quote]

Meh, I see your point (and a glittering and sexy point it is, as ever, Convotron) but I still hold out a vain hope that, y'know it being 2012 before the movie releases that maybe with the Mayan end of the world thing or the Apocalypse and/or Tribulation that it could very well be a time for miracles and they might--just might--get a writer who knows the canon and can work with it respectfully. Bumblebee's character is different from, say, his G1 version, but he's still recognizable in essence, as is Prime, Ironhide, etc. (They blew Screamer both times,though.) (And MAN did that just come out wrong).

End of the world Miracle Time unlikely, yeah, I could go for new characters--would be nice to give Blackout/Grindor some damn *character*, and the cycle bots, too. But if we go all out that route, my gentlemen friends, we get...Mudflap and Skids.

HK, I suspect we're screwed either way.

hellkitty wrote:Oh y'all just don't have my highly machined sense of irony....

I'm just a simple guy. I like Thundercracker as loud as can be.

hellkitty wrote:Meh, I see your point (and a glittering and sexy point it is, as ever, Convotron)

hellkitty wrote:(They blew Screamer both times,though.) (And MAN did that just come out wrong).

hellkitty wrote:HK, I suspect we're screwed either way.

Oh. My.

Again, I'm just a simple guy.

I have hope that TF3 will have characters that match their names better but it's tempered with low expectations.

My biggest hope for RotF was to see BB get to do some witty dialogue after his voice was fixed...but we got back the radio talk. It'd be cool to have Cliffjumper in TF3 to tell BB to shut the slag up with the human radio talk and speak like a proper Autobot. Oh, and Cliffjumper must be able to form a cannon or missile launcher out of seemingly nowhere. Who cares about mass shifting in that instance? It's Cliffjumper!

- Bludgeon
- More Soundwave!
- Skywarp
- Galvatron
- Grimlock

hellkitty wrote:

Convotron wrote:

Bloodlust wrote:I don't think Thundercracker, who is supposed to be LOUD should be something undetectable....that just doesn't seem right. At least one seeker should be an F-15 and I think Thundercracker should.

Agreed!

Oh y'all just don't have my highly machined sense of irony.... Okay, point taken. TC should be something LOUD.

Who should be the Osprey? IMO that is the UGLIEST thingummy ever to take flight.

I nominate an Autobot.

I don't believe the Osprey qualifies as flying, more like defying physics and newton's laws.

I have never seen a "plane" literally come in and stop and just kinda float down onto the ground, I DO NOT want to ride in one next time I get deployed.

They had an Osprey in the prequel book as a Decepticon, but if they throw in a movie osprey, it should be a decepticon to TRY to keep it as Decepticons = miitary hardware.

Vortex should be an Osprey....

SoundWave88 wrote:I have a feeling that its going to be a different director and all that stuff and the movie will flop and turn out like spider man 3. But if its still micheal bay and speilberg I would like to see

I would HOPE for a different director. A new director could only make this movie BETTER not worse.

Spider-man was going down hill anyway, it's not the director's fault with that movie, it's the wrighters. Spider-man was an awsome movie, Spider-man 2 was decent but not anywhere near as good as the first, and Spider-man 3 just out right sucked.

Transformers on the other hand. I thought the first movie was as bad or worse than Spider-man 3. ROTF was a major huge improvement but could still be better. It seems Transformers is going the exact oppisite of Spider-man. Start off bad and get better insted of start off good and get crappier.

- i would really like to see more transformers fighting in the city and crushing people the first one had a good balance of decepticons and autobots. too me i think less transformers makes it even better b/c they have more screen time just liek the first movie.

Huh? The Transformers as a whole actully had MORE screen time in the second movie than they did in the first. Individual characters however not so much. Optimus Prime for one got ALOT more screen time in ROTF than he did in the first movie. Bumblebee was about the same. Ironhide was about the same but he didn't get as many close ups in ROTF. Ratchet was really the only Autobot from the first movie who got ripped off on screen time. For the Decepticons, both Megatron and Starscream were seen ALOT more in ROTF than they were in the first movie. The rest of the Decepticons were all about the same except for Barricade who had one close up in ROTF and because of this I'm not even entirely sure it was Barricade. The new characters, allthough there were characters like Jolt who we didn't see verry much of there were others like Jetfire who we did get to see a decent amount of.

With the first movie non of the characters who died were given enough screen time to really care about them. In the second movie that's not so true. Jetfire, Optimus, the Fallen, and many others actully had meaningfull deaths unlike Jazz who gets ripped in half and the only character development he ever got before his death was "What's crackin' bitches?" oh wait that's just a single line I guess his character was never developed.

The only people who actully seem to care about movie Jazz only care about him because they're thinking of him as the same character from G1 which he isn't or they're just assosiating the name with G1 which in either case still doesn't change the fact that movie Jazz as a character never made any impact on the audience. The only impact the character made was because of his name being associated with an entirely different character.

Bloodlust wrote:

hellkitty wrote:

Convotron wrote:

Bloodlust wrote:I don't think Thundercracker, who is supposed to be LOUD should be something undetectable....that just doesn't seem right. At least one seeker should be an F-15 and I think Thundercracker should.

Agreed!

Oh y'all just don't have my highly machined sense of irony.... Okay, point taken. TC should be something LOUD.

Who should be the Osprey? IMO that is the UGLIEST thingummy ever to take flight.

I nominate an Autobot.

I don't believe the Osprey qualifies as flying, more like defying physics and newton's laws.

I have never seen a "plane" literally come in and stop and just kinda float down onto the ground, I DO NOT want to ride in one next time I get deployed.

They had an Osprey in the prequel book as a Decepticon, but if they throw in a movie osprey, it should be a decepticon to TRY to keep it as Decepticons = miitary hardware.

Vortex should be an Osprey....

The Osprey is Autobot Springer.

Anyone remember the crashes and number of soldiers who died during the Osprey test runs? It's amazing (and poor evidence of how military contracts work) that that thing ever went into service.

Here's what I want:

Autobots

Ultra Magnus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Backing_it_in_2.jpg

Hot Rod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Charger_SRT.JPG (in red and yellow)

Springer: ROTF Legends

Kup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_F ... d_Dead.jpg

Kup would be one of the old Seekers.

Inferno: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:E28_b.JPG

Prowl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PictureCar.jpg

Decepticons

Thrust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F-105 ... erside.jpg

I imagine Thrust coming off like he did in Armada. He is Megatron's tactician and is not as much of a coward as G1 Thrust.

Thundercracker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F-14_ ... 1_2006.jpg

Skywarp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Su-27_05.jpg

Kickback: one of the Insecticons similar to the one in ROTF that Sam broke.

Bombshell: same as Kickback

Shrapnel: same as the others

Tidal Wave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sao_Paulo_carrier.jpg

So, those are my wishes. Goodbye, and here's hoping for all or some of these characters in TF3!

Nemesis Rodimus wrote:Hot Rod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Charger_SRT.JPG (in red and yellow)

Kup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_F ... d_Dead.jpg

Kup would be one of the old Seekers.

Prowl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PictureCar.jpg

If Hot Rod is going to be in the movie at all I'd rather they make up some reason for him to stay in his Cybertronian mode so he can still be a futuristic sports car. I'd hate to see him as an Earth vehicle. Not if you want to change the name to Hot Shot than that'll be fine.

Kup oddly enough I could see as that truck but if he's one of the seekers wouldn't he have to be a Decepticon and switch sides to join the Autobots.

That whole scene was kinda confusing sence they started out by saying that they needed a Decepticon to read the symbols Sam was seeing and then they seemed surprised to discover that Jetfire was a Decepticon. So I got really lost. Pluse they said the Decepticons predate the Autobots and in the first movie it looked like it was the other way around.

Anyway, moving on...

I think this has been sugested before but I think it would be cool if we found out that Barricade was actully Prowl but as an Autobot spy only PRETENDING to work for the Decepticons under a fake name. This could be a good reason for why we never actully get to see the fight between him and Bumblebee in the first movie, because there never was a fight between them.

NO DINOBOTS