The Energon Pub

Sabrblade wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:Plus, did Kicker ever blast a dark god?

...No, but he did fight Galvatron one-on-one. Alone. By himself. With nothing but an Energon Saber (that didn't split apart to help him fight).

... and he had the gall to survive. HOW DARE HE!!!

JetOptimus23 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:Plus, did Kicker ever blast a dark god?

...No, but he did fight Galvatron one-on-one. Alone. By himself. With nothing but an Energon Saber (that didn't split apart to help him fight).

... and he had the gall to survive. HOW DARE HE!!!

Just goes to show that not even Galvatron could kill him.

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:I LOVED Armada. I loved the animation style, as many errors as it had.

Why settle for the flawed animation of the English version when you could instead gaze upon the crisp, cleaned up, improved animation of the Japanese version?

Woooaaah, now I'm freaking out. I had known they made some changes but not like that, plus I assumed my DVD collection WAS the japanese version since the box/menus and stuff are...well, Japanese. Is that a complete list of changes?

YRQRM0 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:I LOVED Armada. I loved the animation style, as many errors as it had.

Why settle for the flawed animation of the English version when you could instead gaze upon the crisp, cleaned up, improved animation of the Japanese version?

Woooaaah, now I'm freaking out. I had known they made some changes but not like that, plus I assumed my DVD collection WAS the japanese version since the box/menus and stuff are...well, Japanese. Is that a complete list of changes?

No, that's just the most notable changes from only one episode. Every episode had its animation quality improved.

Though, what DVDs do you have? The Armada DVDs have English covers/menus. The English version is "Armada". The Japanese version is "Micron Densetsu".

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:I LOVED Armada. I loved the animation style, as many errors as it had.

Why settle for the flawed animation of the English version when you could instead gaze upon the crisp, cleaned up, improved animation of the Japanese version?

Woooaaah, now I'm freaking out. I had known they made some changes but not like that, plus I assumed my DVD collection WAS the japanese version since the box/menus and stuff are...well, Japanese. Is that a complete list of changes?

No, that's just the most notable changes from only one episode. Every episode had its animation quality improved.

Though, what DVDs do you have? The Armada DVDs have English covers/menus. The English version is "Armada". The Japanese version is "Micron Densetsu".

It's a grey box with on it that has the "Transformers Armada" logo, with everything else on the box and discs in Japanese, like where it says 52 episodes, and lists them all and everything

YRQRM0 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:I LOVED Armada. I loved the animation style, as many errors as it had.

Why settle for the flawed animation of the English version when you could instead gaze upon the crisp, cleaned up, improved animation of the Japanese version?

Woooaaah, now I'm freaking out. I had known they made some changes but not like that, plus I assumed my DVD collection WAS the japanese version since the box/menus and stuff are...well, Japanese. Is that a complete list of changes?

No, that's just the most notable changes from only one episode. Every episode had its animation quality improved.

Though, what DVDs do you have? The Armada DVDs have English covers/menus. The English version is "Armada". The Japanese version is "Micron Densetsu".

It's a grey box with on it that has the "Transformers Armada" logo, with everything else on the box and discs in Japanese, like where it says 52 episodes, and lists them all and everything

If it has all 52 episodes on it and is just the English version, it sounds like a bootleg to me.

These are the official American releases for the series, split into two sets of 26 episodes each:



Then again, what DVD region (or country) are you in? As, that would better help to determine whether or not what you have is a bootleg.

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

YRQRM0 wrote:I LOVED Armada. I loved the animation style, as many errors as it had.

Why settle for the flawed animation of the English version when you could instead gaze upon the crisp, cleaned up, improved animation of the Japanese version?

Woooaaah, now I'm freaking out. I had known they made some changes but not like that, plus I assumed my DVD collection WAS the japanese version since the box/menus and stuff are...well, Japanese. Is that a complete list of changes?

No, that's just the most notable changes from only one episode. Every episode had its animation quality improved.

Though, what DVDs do you have? The Armada DVDs have English covers/menus. The English version is "Armada". The Japanese version is "Micron Densetsu".

It's a grey box with on it that has the "Transformers Armada" logo, with everything else on the box and discs in Japanese, like where it says 52 episodes, and lists them all and everything

If it has all 52 episodes on it and is just the English version, it sounds like a bootleg to me.

These are the official American releases for the series, split into two sets of 26 episodes each:



Then again, what DVD region (or country) are you in? As, that would better help to determine whether or not what you have is a bootleg.

It came off ebay, the region says 2, and when you watch it a little logo flys across the sreen about 2 times an episode that says "supreme". It may very well be a bootleg now that I think of it, considering the little slips the DVDs are actually in inside the case are really cheap, and have extra sa couple of extra spaces. I've never even thought of it...


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YRQRM0 wrote:It came off ebay, the region says 2, and when you watch it a little logo flys across the sreen about 2 times an episode that says "supreme". It may very well be a bootleg now that I think of it, considering the little slips the DVDs are actually in inside the case are really cheap, and have extra sa couple of extra spaces. I've never even thought of it...


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That would most definitely be a bootleg, yes. It resembles none of the official releases: American, Japanese, British, German, or Australian.

I liked Armada. For me it was Unicron that I didn't care for. The errors were fun to spot like purple autobot symbols. I think that the voice actors did a supurb job of voicing over that cartoon. It was a real challenge for them and I appreciated their difficulties. The kids were drawn kind of weird but were okay. The Armada comic was interesting. A little too much of there is a big bad so we have to be scared kind of stuff that gets old after a while. The same thing happened at the end of the Armada artoon. Yawn. The pokemonesque gotta catch em all didn't bother me as much as the only reason for them was to sell toys. I think that bothered me more than anything.

I never knew there were different regions for DVD's, I have never had a problem with the ones from China, the northeast or the south. They all seem to play fine. Are you all using really cheap dvd players?

Energon wrote: The pokemonesque gotta catch em all didn't bother me as much as the only reason for them was to sell toys. I think that bothered me more than anything.

You know that's the only reason Transformers exist right? To sell toys? Just checking.

JetOptimus23 wrote:

Energon wrote: The pokemonesque gotta catch em all didn't bother me as much as the only reason for them was to sell toys. I think that bothered me more than anything.

You know that's the only reason Transformers exist right? To sell toys? Just checking.

For real. They're just 30 minute commercials to push the merchandise haha

I enjoyed Armada.

Didn't bother to watch Energon.

Cybertron was decent.

didn't hate the series just wished the kids were not the focus of the series so heavily. yes it is a children's show and yes they need someone to relate to. ok.

but, really wished the kids got injured to show how brutal war was. this adult element was nicely displayed in the full metal alchemist series, gundam seed and gundam unicorn series.

likewise all of the emo drama was a huge turn off. i can conjure my inner child as good as the next but the constant emo, bitching, whining, complaining, was a huge turn off... and proved boring beyond belief!

still there were some good characters also introduced. actually enjoyed rodimus, starscream, shockblast, and a few others.

Personally I like it but it would be better if they dubbed it properly. Fan dub someone please!!

gotta say the unicron trilogy to me's been a mixed bag Armada is what helped me get into Transformers lore it helped me discover the 1986 movie and let me tell you my jaw dropped when I saw that silhouette of Unicron during the show. cast was okay people tend to say Peter Cullen and Frank Welker are the best Optimus and Megatron while thats true Gary Chalk and David Kaye are my favorite while Cullen is a more wise and warrior like Prime Chalk is more heroic and leader-like. the kids unlike everyone in the fandom who hates them didn't annoy me as much the only thing that bugged is that half of their cast was voice by Ed edd & Eddy it's like those chuckle heads are conjoined at the hip. Energon I barely watch due to scheduling problems but from what I saw almost looked promising but I'm in no mood to re-watch it anytime soon. Cybertron confusing as hell but a bigger improvement on the robot design and characters.

t$money$49 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I don't hate it. I love Armada and Energon and Cybertron are ok.

ya i agree with you there they were some of the best series in away considering that we got a new sreamer and even new guys

Even new guys? People didn't seem to have a problem with "Slipstream" and "Bulkhead (Animated and Prime)" when they entered the series. Seriously. There are quite a handful of regular characters in this series.

What about this "Makeshift" character in Prime, hmm? And Armada. The only new characters in the BEGINNING of the series were basically Demolisher and Hot Shot. If you can't deal with change you have not fully lived a Transformers Fan's life.

I do however agree that the humans suck and their are pretty much stupid. But hey, remember that this is for kids, they are supposed to be retarted. 7th Grade, Rad? More like 3rd grade

Armada was good, I haven't seen Micron Densetsu, but it's probably better. The DW Armada comic kicked ass, and the toys reminded me a lot of the G1 toys. That's a good thing.

Energon, lame. Both cartoon and IDW comics. Super Link, though, was pretty good, the toys were a lot like Armada, they were decent.

Cybertron sucked. I couldn't make it through the first episode. Granted, I had seen Galaxy Force in its entirety beforehand, so of course it doesn't compare, but still. It was atrocious how badly it was butchered when it was brought to the States. The toys were pretty cool, I own quite a few of them, including the Japanese versions of all the Convoys, as well as Megatron.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Cybertron sucked. I couldn't make it through the first episode. Granted, I had seen Galaxy Force in its entirety beforehand, so of course it doesn't compare, but still. It was atrocious how badly it was butchered when it was brought to the States. The toys were pretty cool, I own quite a few of them, including the Japanese versions of all the Convoys, as well as Megatron.

I would have to agree i could not make it through one ep of cybertron but loved GF.

Fortress Rodimus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Cybertron sucked. I couldn't make it through the first episode. Granted, I had seen Galaxy Force in its entirety beforehand, so of course it doesn't compare, but still. It was atrocious how badly it was butchered when it was brought to the States. The toys were pretty cool, I own quite a few of them, including the Japanese versions of all the Convoys, as well as Megatron.

I would have to agree i could not make it through one ep of cybertron but loved GF.

I could make it through the entire series of Cybertron, because it was the 2nd series I started collecting with (first being Energon) so hehe?

Gyrotron wrote:
I could make it through the entire series of Cybertron, because it was the 2nd series I started collecting with (first being Energon) so hehe?

Good for you. Now try and find the entire Galaxy Force series. After you watch it, you'll most likely curse Cybertron.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Gyrotron wrote:
I could make it through the entire series of Cybertron, because it was the 2nd series I started collecting with (first being Energon) so hehe?

Good for you. Now try and find the entire Galaxy Force series. After you watch it, you'll most likely curse Cybertron.

If I can't understand them (I don't give a flip about subtitles) then I ain't watching it

And this is the one thing I hate about the Unicron trilogy not only due we sometimes bring the GEEWUN fans in discussion but then we bring in Sub vs Dub fans. I agree some essence of transformers japan lore are better (Thank you Headmasters) but Cybertron had to suffer from it yes it's confusing as hell to connect it to Energon and But to me it's not butchered as many people say it is trust me I've seen worst.

Well, thanks to the Universal Streams concept, BOTH the Japanese and English version of all TF series are official canon, being separate universes from each other.

• Armada - Aurex 802.23 Alpha
• Energon - Aurex 104.31 Alpha
• Cybertron - Aurex 705.2 Alpha

• Micron Densetsu - Aurex 103.10 Alpha
• Super Link - Aurex 104.9 Alpha
• Galaxy Force - Aurex 905.19 Alpha

As for Cybertron vs. Galaxy Force, I'd have to give merit to both versions. While Galaxy Force may be seen as the better, much cooler version (being the authentic, unaltered version), the Cybertron dub actually improved on some of the weird moments in the story and the excessive use of stock footage. Out of any Japanese transformers series to have been dubbed in English, it had the most competent, most well though out dub of any and all of them.

Plus, to say that Galaxy Force is not tied with Micron Densetsu and Super Link would be a fallacy. While it may have been originally created as a standalone series, TakaraTomy later got on the retcon bandwagon and officially declared it to be a sequel to its two predecessors.

And because of all the supplementary material released for the Cybertron dub, it turns that the English dubbed version is easier to reconcile with Armada and Energon than Galaxy Force is with Micron Densetsu and Super Link.

Rodimus Prime ,you had better be prepared to describe in detail exactly how Cybertron was "butchered". NOW.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime ,you had better be prepared to describe in detail exactly how Cybertron was "butchered". NOW.

Well, I don't know if he'll say this, but here's some of my own guesses as to what he might say:

• The male Nitro Convoy was gender-bent into the female Override
• Galaxy Force was originally a standalone series that was retconned in its dub into being part of a Trilogy
• Several characters were given new voices and foreign accents that differed from what they already sounded like
• The "omega Frequency" didn't exist in Galaxy Force and was created in Cybertron to make the kids seem less useless (useful kids, lord forbid! )
• Coby's distant relationship with his family (other than Bud) is omitted almost entirely from the dub
• "Burning Justice" scenes are either given logical explanations for the characters' random power surges (like, they're glowing with the "power of energon" or the "power of Primus") or have the character react in amazement at the sudden boosts that they recieve in these scenes.
• Megatron's "Armor of Unicron" was a pure dub invention
• The Chaar Asteroid Blet incident is changed to imply that Optimus and Wing saber attempted to combien i nthe past instead of simply having attempted to get out of the asteroid belt safely
• The first two episodes of Galaxy Force were merged into one for Cybertron. And then Galaxy Force episode 2 was dubbed in full as a "lost episode" shown at the end of the series, thus having two episodes featuring the exact same battle.

Though, in its defense, the Cybertron dub actually feathered some enhanced animation than its Galaxy Force counterpart.