The Energon Pub

Gyrotron wrote:(I don't give a flip about subtitles)

There's your first mistake. I was that way when i started watching Naruto, but then my GF had me watch the Jap version, and it's soooo much better. The voice actors put so much more emotion in it. It makes the story a lot more fun. Same with Galaxy Force, along with a whole different story than "Cybertron" apparently had. Ugh.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime ,you had better be prepared to describe in detail exactly how Cybertron was "butchered". NOW.

Well, I don't know if he'll say this, but here's some of my own guesses as to what he might say:

• The male Nitro Convoy was gender-bent into the female Override
• Several characters were given new voices and foreign accents that differed from what they already sounded like
• The "omega Frequency" didn't exist in Galaxy Force and was created in Cybertron to make the kids seem less useless (useful kids, lord forbid! )
• "Burning Justice" scenes are either given logical explanations for the characters' random power surges (like, they're glowing with the "power of energon" or the "power of Primus") or have the character react in amazement at the sudden boosts that they recieve in these scenes.
• Megatron's "Armor of Unicron" was a pure dub invention
• The first two episodes of Galaxy Force were merged into one for Cybertron. And then Galaxy Force episode 2 was dubbed in full as a "lost episode" shown at the end of the series, thus having two episodes featuring the exact same battle.

All those. And a lot of much smaller nuances and tics, having to do with a much different story. In Galaxy Force, there isn't even an Unicron anywhere. And Seibertron gets destroyed at the beginning.

Rodimus Prime wrote:All those. And a lot of much smaller nuances and tics, having to do with a much different story. In Galaxy Force, there isn't even an Unicron anywhere. And Seibertron gets destroyed at the beginning.

Yeah, though, there's two problems with that.

While Cybertron may get destroyed in that version, that doesn't make any lick of sense for it to have been destroyed since they go back to a fully intact Cybertron later on in the series.

And, while Unicron isn't involved in the Galaxy Force version of the story, the nameless evil god that was said to have been defeated was later retconned into being Unicron even by Takara.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Gyrotron wrote:(I don't give a flip about subtitles)

There's your first mistake. I was that way when i started watching Naruto, but then my GF had me watch the Jap version, and it's soooo much better. The voice actors put so much more emotion in it. It makes the story a lot more fun. Same with Galaxy Force, along with a whole different story than "Cybertron" apparently had. Ugh.

Too bad I ain't watching galaxy force. The only thing I agree Japan did better is their toys and Animated Starscream. God he looks too freakin' bad*** there.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime ,you had better be prepared to describe in detail exactly how Cybertron was "butchered". NOW.

Well, I don't know if he'll say this, but here's some of my own guesses as to what he might say:

• The male Nitro Convoy was gender-bent into the female Override
• Several characters were given new voices and foreign accents that differed from what they already sounded like
• The "omega Frequency" didn't exist in Galaxy Force and was created in Cybertron to make the kids seem less useless (useful kids, lord forbid! )
• "Burning Justice" scenes are either given logical explanations for the characters' random power surges (like, they're glowing with the "power of energon" or the "power of Primus") or have the character react in amazement at the sudden boosts that they recieve in these scenes.
• Megatron's "Armor of Unicron" was a pure dub invention
• The first two episodes of Galaxy Force were merged into one for Cybertron. And then Galaxy Force episode 2 was dubbed in full as a "lost episode" shown at the end of the series, thus having two episodes featuring the exact same battle.

All those. And a lot of much smaller nuances and tics, having to do with a much different story. In Galaxy Force, there isn't even an Unicron anywhere. And Seibertron gets destroyed at the beginning.

Yeah, well guess what:
1. Override is a much more interesting character than Nitro Convoy, who's just a jackass. As for the gender flip, the body design is androgynous and we end up with a female character who avoids several writing pitfalls common with affirmative action characters. Also, it's Airrazor's revenge.
2. Accents are not a bad thing, and it was material outside the dub (the collector's club comics and badly researched bios) that said they were the same characters.
3. You say "Useful Kids" like it's a bad thing instead of it being a good change after past shows. Without the Omega Frequency there was no reason for any of them except maybe Coby to hang around.
4. What, trying to have stuff make sense is bad? Face it: Galaxy Force overused unexplained unjustified Burning Justice moments past the point where they could get away with it. And having the characters treat it as normal instead of being surprised and amazed by something that should surprise and/or amaze them.
5. Yes it was, and it makes sense for a number of reasons. One, it blatantly resembles Unicron. Two, Megatron displays several Unicron-esque powers over the series. Three, this explanation means he stole the power of a dark god.
6. Yeah, well, it made the pilot flow more smoothly.

As for Coby's distant relationship with his family apart from Bud, it was excised because it never amounted to anything.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:3. You say "Useful Kids" like it's a bad thing instead of it being a good change after past shows. Without the Omega Frequency.

I was being sarcastic. I have no problem with it.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:4. What, trying to have stuff make sense is bad? Face it: Galaxy Force overused unexplained unjustified Burning Justice moments past the point where they could get away with it. And having the characters treat it as normal instead of being surprised and amazed by something that should surprise and/or amaze them.

I myself have no problem with this. But I can see the argument against making sense out of "Rule of Cool" scenarios. Putting logic into such would kinda take away from "pure fun" factor of it all. Though, I personally didn't have any issues with these explanations/amazement reactions given in the dub.

All I was doing was guessing as to what Rodimus Prime would've complained about.

I knew you were being sarcastic. But RP agreed with some of those guesses, apparently missing the sarcasm in the process, thus I made counterarguments.

I have problem with watching a lot of anime dubbed mainly because most are not done well and the lips don't meet up with the words. I will say that they did a great job and the voice actors are good for Cybertron but, i watched the Galaxy Force first and for me that is the original. But if you watched Cybertron first and you like it better than that is great.

The lip sync can be a problem, true. Many dub studios don't bother or can't afford to re-animate the mouth movements. Although Cybertron/Galaxy Force is one of those instances the lip sync isn't precise, simply being mouth open, mouth closed, so it doesn't exactly fit either but by the same token doesn't look glaringly off in the dub.

I have seen good dubs, Lupin III stuff in particular seems to be dubbed well.

I agree with pretty much all the comments Sabrblade had to say. I gave them all a try but in the end they only succeeded in dampening my passion for transformers until the movies came out and classics/universe/generations toy lines.

I didn't watch those series because I thought they looked like crap. By that I mean that the animation bothered me to the point that I turned it off and couldn't bring myself to try to watch them again.

armada was my transformers renaissance. after beast wars finished tfs just started to fde away for me and then BLAM the awesomeness of armada!
i love energon too (for the toys not the cartoon, even though i won a competition to go see the first few episodes in a big cinema screening in London and walked outta that place with £21 worth of FREE tfs thrust into my hands by some huge black guy who was saying "just take it and move on for the next kid". I looked at him as if he was Christ.)
Cybertron was a bit ...meh for me. i remember never having any pocket money in 2005 so i resorted to buying the legends which were the greatest. To this day i only have thundercracker, vector prime, downshift and optimus in full size cybertron toys.
one love unicron trilogy!

Are you kidding the Unicron Trilogy got me into Transformers as much as I am today!


...It's the human in the series I can't sstand.

Can't hate on the Unicron trilogy.

Sure, it had its flaws, but it tried to be different, and brought about some great new characters that I have seen growing in popularity in recent years.

Plus, it sucked in a whole new generation of fans, myself included.

In fact...

Classics-style Demolishor, anyone?

Nemesor wrote:Classics-style Demolishor, anyone?

Well, we did get a WFC Demolishor (character, not toy, though).

I know. Hence the desire for a Classics-style release.

classic style anything from the unicron trilogy = hellzyes!!!

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:All those. And a lot of much smaller nuances and tics, having to do with a much different story. In Galaxy Force, there isn't even an Unicron anywhere. And Seibertron gets destroyed at the beginning.

Yeah, though, there's two problems with that.

While Cybertron may get destroyed in that version, that doesn't make any lick of sense for it to have been destroyed since they go back to a fully intact Cybertron later on in the series.

And, while Unicron isn't involved in the Galaxy Force version of the story, the nameless evil god that was said to have been defeated was later retconned into being Unicron even by Takara.

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense, but it's the story. The idea is the same as it has been with all TF series starting with Genereation 1: It's a cartoon catering to children designed to sell toys. It won't win any Academy awards. Understand this. And regardless of what even Takara retconned later, at the time it was released, there was no Unicron in the story, and it developed and unfolded accordingly. Retconning it was Takara trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

ZeldaTheSwordsman, you have your opinions, I have mine. They happen to differ. I like Galaxy Force, and I think Cybertron is a piece of ****. There's absolutely nothing you can say that will make me change my mind. I don't think less of you for thinking Cybertron is better. It's all a matter of opinion. Whatever works for you. It's fine. And I did get some of Sabrblade's sarcasm, but the points were still valid.

I did like the Armada Comics and that did bring me into watching the cartoon. And i did like the Energon toys. But i did not watch that one at all.

I don't hate UT. In fact it was UT that introduced Transformers to me. The first ever TF I saw was Transformers Energon. Didn't understand much back then, it was in Finnish (which I didn't nor still can speak). Following that it was Armada.

Overall, from Unicron Trilogy I havent watched only one season: Cybertron.

I don't hate it, I actually love it, for it was the series that got me into Transformers.

But I got to say that I like Japanese versions better, but the Cybertron dub is good, too. I have never watched Energon or Armada completely, 'cause they cancelled them or jumped through the episodes, or even between the series. For example, first showing 10 episodes from Energon, then 10 episodes from Armada. Cybertron was the only one they showed all episodes, but they still kept jumping to another series when they ran out of episodes... It was annoying, and the Finnish dub wasn't really that good either...