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Burn wrote:Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Okay, but hear me out here, there a LOT of women and LGBTQ+ persons saying that they *liked* the way that IDW handled their inclusion because they felt represented and they had characters they identified with.
And has anyone said otherwise? You're emphasising a point that no one seems to be disputing.Ms. Trebuchette wrote:I don't want to shout the "b" word at everyone who disagrees with me, but it doesn't strike you as odd that most of the complaints about these narratives AREN'T COMING FROM women or LGBTQ+ folk since John, James, and Mairghread took over?
Doesn't strike me odd at all. IDW set out to write stories to include those groups. They clearly achieved that.
I have NEVER disputed that, and in fact, a LOT of people wouldn't dispute it. So again, you seem to be emphasising a point that the majority agree with.
My personal "grievance" with all the socio-political/inclusive stuff is the timing, as I said, I felt it was done because that was the "flavour of the moment".
But here's another reason. I read comic books, I watch TV shows and movies as an escape from reality.
The fight for marriage equality went on in Australia for years. The Government could easily have changed the law but they dragged their feet, so for years I had to listen to "friends" sprout their bigotry.
I just wanted it legalised. To me there was no debate.
But for years while it dragged on, it kept getting pushed to the top of the news cycle.
Then the Government decided to hold a plebiscite. $150million AUD would be spent on plebiscite that would 1 - Be voluntary and 2 - the Government didn't even need to abide by it if it was an overwhelming "Yes".
Which ignited the flames even more and the bigots got louder, the supporters got louder, and I just wanted marriage equality to be legalised, but had to endure all the arguments.
So I try to escape to the comics ... and it's there too. This spills over to the forums. Suddenly my escape from reality has had reality seep in.
It made the comics hard for me to enjoy.
So you see, some people aren't bigots. They just want to escape from reality for a little bit.
Perhaps if I hadn't had to sit through years of loud noisy bigots fearful that marriage equality would cause cows to stop producing milk then I might have been able to enjoy the comics more, I dunno.
Ms. Trebuchette wrote:
I don't want to shout the "b" word at everyone who disagrees with me, but it doesn't strike you as odd that most of the complaints about these narratives AREN'T COMING FROM women or LGBTQ+ folk since John, James, and Mairghread took over?
Food for thought.
I'm sorry if our inclusion in comics reminds you that real LGBTQ+ persons are struggling every day.
Bronzewolf wrote:Burn, what you wrote comes across as "I don't want to see LGBTQ representation in my comics because I don't want to be reminded they exist."
Burn wrote:Bronzewolf wrote:Burn, what you wrote comes across as "I don't want to see LGBTQ representation in my comics because I don't want to be reminded they exist."
Is incredibly hurtful, especially from someone that I actually considered a friend. But whatever. I've had my say, I've explained myself clearly as possible. If people want to twist it around and judge me fine, whatever. Go right ahead.
Burn wrote:You keep reiterating the same point again and again. I GET YOUR POINT! I really do. The timing of everything was just terrible and I just wanted a little breather from reality, but it didn't happen.
But NEVER did it change my support of the LGBQTI community.
Which is why this...Bronzewolf wrote:Burn, what you wrote comes across as "I don't want to see LGBTQ representation in my comics because I don't want to be reminded they exist."
Is incredibly hurtful, especially from someone that I actually considered a friend. But whatever. I've had my say, I've explained myself clearly as possible. If people want to twist it around and judge me fine, whatever. Go right ahead.
Black Hat wrote:I just want ridiculous super deformation robo hijinks.
Black Hat wrote:PREGNANT SCORPONOK.
Burn wrote:Black Hat wrote:I just want ridiculous super deformation robo hijinks.
You want robo hijinks? We got your robo hijinks!Black Hat wrote:PREGNANT SCORPONOK.
Honestly, I rolled my eyes when that was revealed, but in all honesty, by that point they'd pulled so many crazy hijinks it just wasn't out of the norm.
Va'al wrote:You've been told several times before that Japan is not what you think Japan is, and these discussions are very much happening in Japanese media, its fandoms, and its consumer bases in and out of Japan.
Va'al wrote:You've been told several times before that Japan is not what you think Japan is, and these discussions are very much happening in Japanese media, its fandoms, and its consumer bases in and out of Japan. Also, Black Hat, you were told by people in this very topic to knock it off with your tendency towards trans/homophobic comments. So maybe knock it off?
As for the topic at hand, and going back to the potential beginning of a new series of comics with IDW Publishing: if not War for Cybertron links, what else could a new universe rotate around? Or, alternatively, what else would you want it to be about?
Va'al wrote:Also, Black Hat, you were told by people in this very topic to knock it off with your tendency towards trans/homophobic comments. So maybe knock it off?
Black Hat wrote:Va'al wrote:Also, Black Hat, you were told by people in this very topic to knock it off with your tendency towards trans/homophobic comments. So maybe knock it off?
No thanks. You'll just twist what I say to claim that anything at all I say that contradicts your world view is an "ism" of some form. I know how this silly game works- you try and make me look like some kind of monster for just defending myself and force me to apologize or shut up. Well guess what, it isn't going to work. I haven't done anything wrong here- all I've said is "I don't like comics about robots turning into cars trying too hard to be serious and politically charged". Not exactly an offensive statement. If you somehow find what I'm saying to be offensive then I'm sorry but I'm not going to censor myself just because you or anyone else dislikes an inoccuous statement of opinion.
You clearly have some form of vendetta against me, and I don't care for it one bit. If you don't like me or what I have to say that's fine, but that's on you. Don't go giving me tellings-off over it.
Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Va'al wrote:You've been told several times before that Japan is not what you think Japan is, and these discussions are very much happening in Japanese media, its fandoms, and its consumer bases in and out of Japan. Also, Black Hat, you were told by people in this very topic to knock it off with your tendency towards trans/homophobic comments. So maybe knock it off?
As for the topic at hand, and going back to the potential beginning of a new series of comics with IDW Publishing: if not War for Cybertron links, what else could a new universe rotate around? Or, alternatively, what else would you want it to be about?
I really like the idea of going back to Spotlight/mini-series forum. Especially if the goal is a new stab at the Hasbro-verse, you could have a variety of stories set during different time periods.
But, then again, that's basically what the current IDW verse did at the beginning.
I almost wonder if it makes sense to start with a Maxi-series (a la AHM) set during the early stages of the war with one-shots and minis as backup to different periods (during, before, and after).
The *hardest* part of the new IDW continuity will be to go someplace different narratively with the characters/story.
Ms. Trebuchette wrote:I almost wonder if it makes sense to start with a Maxi-series (a la AHM) set during the early stages of the war with one-shots and minis as backup to different periods (during, before, and after).
Burn wrote:Ms. Trebuchette wrote:I almost wonder if it makes sense to start with a Maxi-series (a la AHM) set during the early stages of the war with one-shots and minis as backup to different periods (during, before, and after).
An over-arching major book with side issues ... why do I get the feeling that's going to get awfully confusing.
It would probably be glorious, and a fantastic way to tell the stories of lesser known characters but I just know I'll have trouble keeping up.
Va'al wrote:Burn wrote:Ms. Trebuchette wrote:I almost wonder if it makes sense to start with a Maxi-series (a la AHM) set during the early stages of the war with one-shots and minis as backup to different periods (during, before, and after).
An over-arching major book with side issues ... why do I get the feeling that's going to get awfully confusing.
It would probably be glorious, and a fantastic way to tell the stories of lesser known characters but I just know I'll have trouble keeping up.
I think I agree on this to an extent, though. The side stories wouldn't have to be needed to 'get' the story told in the main series, in my view, which is where the Spotlights eventually faded.
A bit like the Anthology (Rogue One, Solo) movies for the Star Wars franchise, I suppose.
Black Hat wrote:Va'al wrote:Also, Black Hat, you were told by people in this very topic to knock it off with your tendency towards trans/homophobic comments. So maybe knock it off?
No thanks. You'll just twist what I say to claim that anything at all I say that contradicts your world view is an "ism" of some form. I know how this silly game works- you try and make me look like some kind of monster for just defending myself and force me to apologize or shut up. Well guess what, it isn't going to work. I haven't done anything wrong here- all I've said is "I don't like comics about robots turning into cars trying too hard to be serious and politically charged". Not exactly an offensive statement. If you somehow find what I'm saying to be offensive then I'm sorry but I'm not going to censor myself just because you or anyone else dislikes an inoccuous statement of opinion.
You clearly have some form of vendetta against me, and I don't care for it one bit. If you don't like me or what I have to say that's fine, but that's on you. Don't go giving me tellings-off over it.
Moonshot wrote:
Honest question here, but isn't a trans lesbian just a cross-dressing straight guy?
Va'al wrote:Serving a little here, but a thought I had finally coalesced into something coherent last night, and I needed to write it down.
Plenty of people have been saying this in the past years too, but what I'd also really like to see in a new fictional universe is something similar to the initial Spotlights that the -ation era brought in - not only focusing on new characters, and giving them a personal story that can then be woven into the wider narrative, but also to ..well, spotlight new creative teams. And I mean NEW creative teams.
I want to see the fan artists who made variant covers get to do some interior work, but I also want to see entirely new writers pitch a story and get to write it themselves, pairing up with artists and colours under editorial guidance from IDW (be it Barber or Mariotte, and Long on production, for example). Think of the Mosaics project, think of the Seeds of Deception et al. on deviantArt (that we keep seeing in the creative round-ups).
You could call it Siege: War Stories, if the new narratives have to do with War for Cybertron. Get fans - all fans - to pitch the plots, the team, the one character story, have OCs show up alongside the core cast from Siege, have stories that could be in the background (NAILs, grunts, Badgeless, whoever) take front and centre for one issue, and then be forgotten if needed, but give them and the fandom a chance to actually suggest what we could want to see. It's less feasible the more I get excited about it, but holy shirt it would be amazing and a way to get really new, fresh material show up from the already extremely prolific creative side of the fandom.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
ZeroWolf wrote:Sorry but if they went that route solely? I would bow out. We had the G1 toon and Dreamwave for that. I want a fresh new take on things, want to do another g1 reimagining like idw at first? Then perfect. Not to say that I don't think they should offer a continuation series as well as the reboot. One ongoing for the reboot and another as a true season 5 of the cartoon continuity. That would be fine for me as it's the best of both worlds.
Deadput wrote:An idea for example is about how Combiners are made...
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