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Counterpunch wrote:Marvel Comics: 1984-1991
-80 Issues plus the additions of Marvel UK and Regeneration One
Sunbow Cartoon: 1984-1987
-98 Episodes plus TFtM
Japanese G1 (Headmasters through Zone): 1987-1989
-130 Episodes plus various TV Magazine entries
IDW Transformers: 2005-2018
-400+ issues and counting
This particular extension of storytelling and world building has been the longest lasting, best coordinated, and most fan-oriented Transformers canon we have ever had. It is second only to the G1 cartoon in level of impact (or perhaps Marvel UK for those who grew up with it).
There have been ups and downs. There have been points where even the hardest of the fanbase has questioned the stories or decisions made. But let's not pretend that any of those moments or points are any worse or any less noticeable than the myriad of faults in the other branches of story.
To anyone quibbling about politics, gender or otherwise...your arguments mostly sound utterly petty in the face of this run's scope and presence. What I hear from many of those making these kinds of arguments is that the material is just too much for your consideration and a bowl of cereal and a cartoon from 1984 would better suit your tastes. Have at it.
To focus merely on that ignores 10+ years of incredible world building, character development, and thoughtful movement of the franchise. From the early days where we get a look at how Transformers infiltrate a world, Spotlight issues directly building up characters, Cybertronian society and history, the implications of a post-war Cybertron, the rationale for Megatron's war, and imperfect Optimus...to ignore all that for a narrow complaint, justified or not, means to me one of two things:
1. You just chimed in to make a pre-determined argument about something mostly unrelated to the books.
2. You never actually read the books and just jumped in to make a point related to #1.
There's plenty to dislike over the run. There have been times when I've been confused, bored, or just put off with the direction. But that happens over a thirteen year run. Ultimately, the whole scope of the continuity is on a positive bend and there is far more favorable to say about it than not.
I want to be clear about something as I close. If you didn't like the run just because it didn't work for you. That's fine. I take no issue with that because personal preference matters in how we engage fiction.
If your dislike of the run stems from some narrow, isolated viewpoint related to "politics" as your coding of the issue; your opinion is scrub tier and in the game of discussing content, isn't even one of the pieces that made it to the board.
Are you talking about James Roberts writing Megatron? If so, it sounds like you only consumed bits and pieces of something that initially looked like a cheap marketing play that was turned into a fantastic piece of character work over ~30 issues that challenged readers in meaningful ways to think about the nature of change, forgiveness, and reconciliation. If you only caught glimpses, I can see some of it looking preachy, but in the context of the long form narrative those elements serve to reinforce what Megatron initially thought and how it fueled a movement that became more sinister over time while also tempting the reader into feeling empathy towards a Transformer responsible for genocide. Seeing how Megatron allowed himself to be corrupted by a society trying to keep a status quo that didn't serve the interests of him and those like him is damn good reading, and the cautionary tone to not overly sympathize with his choices provided some wisdom that caught me off guard.Skritz wrote: Not that you CAN'T add depth, just that some writers are better at it than others. The 'political mouthpiece' moments seemed less like some over arching evil new world order agenda and more a desperate writer trying to figure wtf he or she had to do to try to keep the franchise and ongoing comics 'relevant' and have something to do for them. It was a symptom of problems, not the source.
The franchise and the comics are fatigued.
Va'al wrote:You could call it Siege: War Stories, if the new narratives have to do with War for Cybertron. Get fans - all fans - to pitch the plots, the team, the one character story, have OCs show up alongside the core cast from Siege, have stories that could be in the background (NAILs, grunts, Badgeless, whoever) take front and centre for one issue, and then be forgotten if needed, but give them and the fandom a chance to actually suggest what we could want to see. It's less feasible the more I get excited about it, but holy shirt it would be amazing and a way to get really new, fresh material show up from the already extremely prolific creative side of the fandom.
Burn wrote:Va'al wrote:You could call it Siege: War Stories, if the new narratives have to do with War for Cybertron. Get fans - all fans - to pitch the plots, the team, the one character story, have OCs show up alongside the core cast from Siege, have stories that could be in the background (NAILs, grunts, Badgeless, whoever) take front and centre for one issue, and then be forgotten if needed, but give them and the fandom a chance to actually suggest what we could want to see. It's less feasible the more I get excited about it, but holy shirt it would be amazing and a way to get really new, fresh material show up from the already extremely prolific creative side of the fandom.
See, this would work!
There's characters out there that have only appeared in a handful of panels. Predators, Turbomasters, Obliterators, Cyberjets, Axelerators ... the list goes on! All these little teams that could be highlighted. It's something I've wanted to see for years.
ZeroWolf wrote:I like that idea...I like it a lot but would it be something that IDW/Hasbro would want to commit to.
Burn wrote:Just going to throw this out there, even though with new beginnings I expect this won't change.
Previews. They **** piss me off. Why? Because of how they time things.
Latest issue comes out, seems within a few hours a preview is out for a future issue.
Conversation on the forums go from talking about the latest issue for a few hours, before suddenly shifting focus to the preview.
It's one of a couple of reasons why I don't bother getting into the comics discussion.
Another thing that not having megathreads would fixVa'al wrote:Burn wrote:Just going to throw this out there, even though with new beginnings I expect this won't change.
Previews. They **** piss me off. Why? Because of how they time things.
Latest issue comes out, seems within a few hours a preview is out for a future issue.
Conversation on the forums go from talking about the latest issue for a few hours, before suddenly shifting focus to the preview.
It's one of a couple of reasons why I don't bother getting into the comics discussion.
That's another bad effect of the direct market model, unfortunately. And yeah.
ScottyP wrote:I'm not happy it's ending.
Mostly-speculation-tinged-with-hints-of-knowledge: this was the lazy way out. It seems to me the creative teams are ready to move on, and as a professional in financial technology I can respect that immensely. Working on the same project or software for years at a time can get plain boring. However, I don't see why there's a need to mark it as such a definitive "The End" - we know how that tends to go over the long haul anyways. Add to that some of the parallel timelines/realities explored in the actual books and it just seems haphazard to say "over, finished!"
I know the Hasbroverse didn't work out. Hasbro is as much to blame for that as IDW, if not moreso for rushing the implementation anywhere from 6 months to a year ahead of schedule. That said, you can undo it in a variety of ways: time travel, universe hopping, some new villain wipes out Hasbro properties, they were Cybertronian all along, they were Unicron heralds all along, hell have Ian Noble and Arcee's time displaced love child create a paradox that only Brainstorm's snark can fix through a metabomb, but you have to have Perceptor take him out to a nice dinner first. Call it Dinnerquest: The Series, and boom, now you can relaunch into Beast Wars and cash in on 90s nostalgia.
My point is not that Dinnerquest is possible, or even remotely a good idea, or even something I should have written down, but that it seems to me to be way more fun to leave it open, press stop, and go about whatever new thing as its own thing. I'm sure that will give a few unwelcome flashbacks to All Hail Megatron, but if the creative trust wanted to say goodbye and mean it they can still do so without closing their toy box, locking it, and throwing away the key.
tl;dr Brainstorm's briefcase made all the other continuities anyway so... it never ends!
Also Botanica is the harbinger of the end of continuities.
Burn wrote:Not everyone opposed to the inclusion of different genders and orientation are bigots. A lot of people are opposed because of how it was executed and felt like nothing more than a "this is what's big in the news at the moment so lets just throw it in".
It's important people remember that when judging those whose opinions differ to yours.
Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Okay, but hear me out here, there a LOT of women and LGBTQ+ persons saying that they *liked* the way that IDW handled their inclusion because they felt represented and they had characters they identified with.
Ms. Trebuchette wrote:I don't want to shout the "b" word at everyone who disagrees with me, but it doesn't strike you as odd that most of the complaints about these narratives AREN'T COMING FROM women or LGBTQ+ folk since John, James, and Mairghread took over?
Burn wrote:Ms. Trebuchette wrote:Okay, but hear me out here, there a LOT of women and LGBTQ+ persons saying that they *liked* the way that IDW handled their inclusion because they felt represented and they had characters they identified with.
And has anyone said otherwise? You're emphasising a point that no one seems to be disputing.Ms. Trebuchette wrote:I don't want to shout the "b" word at everyone who disagrees with me, but it doesn't strike you as odd that most of the complaints about these narratives AREN'T COMING FROM women or LGBTQ+ folk since John, James, and Mairghread took over?
Doesn't strike me odd at all. IDW set out to write stories to include those groups. They clearly achieved that.
I have NEVER disputed that, and in fact, a LOT of people wouldn't dispute it. So again, you seem to be emphasising a point that the majority agree with.
My personal "grievance" with all the socio-political/inclusive stuff is the timing, as I said, I felt it was done because that was the "flavour of the moment".
But here's another reason. I read comic books, I watch TV shows and movies as an escape from reality.
The fight for marriage equality went on in Australia for years. The Government could easily have changed the law but they dragged their feet, so for years I had to listen to "friends" sprout their bigotry.
I just wanted it legalised. To me there was no debate.
But for years while it dragged on, it kept getting pushed to the top of the news cycle.
Then the Government decided to hold a plebiscite. $150million AUD would be spent on plebiscite that would 1 - Be voluntary and 2 - the Government didn't even need to abide by it if it was an overwhelming "Yes".
Which ignited the flames even more and the bigots got louder, the supporters got louder, and I just wanted marriage equality to be legalised, but had to endure all the arguments.
So I try to escape to the comics ... and it's there too. This spills over to the forums. Suddenly my escape from reality has had reality seep in.
It made the comics hard for me to enjoy.
So you see, some people aren't bigots. They just want to escape from reality for a little bit.
Perhaps if I hadn't had to sit through years of loud noisy bigots fearful that marriage equality would cause cows to stop producing milk then I might have been able to enjoy the comics more, I dunno.
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