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ZeroWolf wrote:I mean making Alpha Bravo head of the Autobot Air Divison is a risky move
Skritz wrote:If corporate mishandling of a franchise and misunderstanding what the majority of fans wanted is what pass for bigotry I wouldn't want to even imagine what word you'd use to call countries where people are actually murdered for their ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation.![]()
Yeah yeah, I know, franchises can't stagnate and need to try new things. Unfortunately, franchises also walk the tight rope called 'not alienating people'. Its a very peculiar situation where you need to be able to keep things fresh, interesting and unique unique without needing to throw aside the old fans unless they know they can secure new ones. Which has, in fact, been an issue with Star Wars as the cast and crew expressed vitriol at people who expressed dissatisfaction with some directions the franchise has taken.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
ZeroWolf wrote: Case in point, some of the ideas I want to see would upset some peopleI mean making Alpha Bravo head of the Autobot Air Divison is a risky move
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:ZeroWolf wrote: Case in point, some of the ideas I want to see would upset some peopleI mean making Alpha Bravo head of the Autobot Air Divison is a risky move
That would be a really good idea!
As an ending or later stage for that character, climbing his way up the ranks but starting as a recruit who has anxiety around his fellow flyers due to a fear of being unable to catch up.
(Honestly the Autobot air force is something I would love to see expanded, the 5 main Aerialbots would still be the best of the best but an army can't just have those 5 and Jetfire)
I just mostly want more Rotf Breakaway (not to be confused with any Getaways this guy is a seperate character altogether) in media, he's like the Jazz of flyers and his face and body shape is unique.
Va'al wrote:What I'd rather focus on is not the negative reaction that a lot of this work has been receiving from a very vocal, very narrow section of online feedback pools - but the positively exquisite and optimistic feelings of belonging that the IDW Transformers comics have elicited in SO MANY MORE people out there.
ZeroWolf wrote:@Va'al that's a good point, I don't travel in many circles that deal with positives of the IDWverse. I've seen the sales figures from recentish issues but I do have to ask, has all sales been on a downward spiral since Dreamwave first debuted their #1?
Burn wrote:Va'al wrote:What I'd rather focus on is not the negative reaction that a lot of this work has been receiving from a very vocal, very narrow section of online feedback pools - but the positively exquisite and optimistic feelings of belonging that the IDW Transformers comics have elicited in SO MANY MORE people out there.
You can't have the positive without the negative.
You knew these reactions would occur when you wrote this piece, unless it's outright bigotry or abuse, then it has to be allowed.
Va'al wrote:look at the sales numbers for Ms Marvel.
Burn wrote:Va'al wrote:What I'd rather focus on is not the negative reaction that a lot of this work has been receiving from a very vocal, very narrow section of online feedback pools - but the positively exquisite and optimistic feelings of belonging that the IDW Transformers comics have elicited in SO MANY MORE people out there.
You can't have the positive without the negative.
You knew these reactions would occur when you wrote this piece, unless it's outright bigotry or abuse, then it has to be allowed.
ZeroWolf wrote:I would have always put Jetfire in working with Wheeljack in a research and development division. You're right though, you could even do a top gun style story with the aerialbots and an Air Division in general.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Burn wrote:Va'al wrote:What I'd rather focus on is not the negative reaction that a lot of this work has been receiving from a very vocal, very narrow section of online feedback pools - but the positively exquisite and optimistic feelings of belonging that the IDW Transformers comics have elicited in SO MANY MORE people out there.
You can't have the positive without the negative.
You knew these reactions would occur when you wrote this piece, unless it's outright bigotry or abuse, then it has to be allowed.
ZeroWolf wrote:There's is something to look at though at why negative gets more focus. Is part of human nature to try and please everyone? So we take abroad every criticism, regardless if it's just inane? Or is it just the nature of the Internet where negativity is magnified and appears louder. Or is it a mix of both? Is it simply people like to complain?![]()
Deadput wrote:Yes criticism which while it can be done in a very negative way and most certainly in those cases should be toned back to be less emotional and more logical is a very healthy thing for all media and media creators. (Yeah I know I should practice what I preach more often)
Va'al wrote:I disagree: criticism can indeed be emotional, and the distinction between logic/emotion is a false one. Media affects people. It's neither a product of a vacuum nor does it exist in one. Emotions are going to be elicited, encouraged, expected. But as I said above, and as many many of us say repeatedly (Burn especially, in the movie threads, for example), there's a difference in saying 'I don't like this because it made me feel poopy' (e.g. my reaction to the Megatron redemption in MTMTE, or Getaway's whole deal) versus saying 'I felt ****, so it's ****, so if you like it you're ****, and the authors are ****'.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Va'al wrote:The simple fact that most of what you just said is feasible in this current narrative universe, and its 'continuity', just makes me want to see entirely new stuff.
We agree on this. New stories, characters (or interpretations thereof), and concepts are what gives Transformers its longevity. I just think there's room to say "we're ending our stories and have no current plans to return to this fictional universe" instead of the very definitive "it's over for good" message that's been conveyed so far.ZeroWolf wrote:I can see what your saying scotty, and to am extent I would like to have left to door open for more stories if writers wanted to tell them. However, I want to see new takes on characters, just like Animated did back in 07/08. That version of Sentinel Prime is now the first I think of whenever I hear the name. Reboots and out of continuity can help to create memorable versions of characters we're familiar with and give new life to characters we've never heard of.
ScottyP wrote: We agree on this. New stories, characters (or interpretations thereof), and concepts are what gives Transformers its longevity. I just think there's room to say "we're ending our stories and have no current plans to return to this fictional universe" instead of the very definitive "it's over for good" message that's been conveyed so far.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Unicron's destruction has created a black hole threatening to consume Cybertron and beyond. Now, Optimus Prime and his fellow Autobots, including Hot Shot, Landmine, Jetfire, Scattershot, and Vector Prime must find the four Cyber Planet Keys to save the galaxy and stop Megatron and his Decepticons from using them for evil.Deadput wrote:ScottyP wrote: We agree on this. New stories, characters (or interpretations thereof), and concepts are what gives Transformers its longevity. I just think there's room to say "we're ending our stories and have no current plans to return to this fictional universe" instead of the very definitive "it's over for good" message that's been conveyed so far.
I mean when you stop writing for it at one point why would you go back to it later? Is there anything else worthwhile to add to the narrative?
I personally think that besides slight extensions to the endings being made for a less rushed conclusion I don't think there is anything left for this continuity, I genuinely can't think of any stories or conflicts that could come after Unicron.
hinomars19 wrote:Great article va'al, but the resulting thread is a bit scary....
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