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i agree.i think they should have given him more action scenes,showing that jazz was a badass and why he was second in command.then when he got killed it would have made more of an impact in the movie.

jazz reborn wrote:

Burn wrote:

Cormaster628 wrote:I still don't get why he can't be repaired though. He was just ripped in half, while Bumblebee got his legs blow off, and Frenzy got his head cut off. Talk about inconsistancys. Jazz's spark is in his chest, so his upper torso should still be moving.

What, you think losing your legs and being torn in two is the same?

Let's be serious, he was TORN IN TWO. If that happened to a human, dead. So why not apply a bit of human phsyology to the TF's so we can relate to them better?

People, look past your blind Jazz loving and see how it benefits the story, and the greater story. Jazz dies, someone else is introduced in future movies.

And there's no proof that his spark was in his chest. It could have been in his groin. Plus early scripts had Megatron devouring his spark so had that been left in it would have made so much more sense and we wouldn't have all these "Wah wah wah they shouldn't have killed Jazz" threads popping up every two weeks.

frenzy got his freaking head cut off yet he still lived! if a human's head got cut off they would be dead. they cant just roll their head and get a new body! if your gonna talk about relating human and tfs then look at ALL humans and tfs. not just jazz!

Maybe Frenzy was just built to withstand that. Maybe the hit that chopped his head off didn't hit any vital parts.
Did you se his torso? There was practically nothing there!!
I have a feeling that all his critical parts are in his head.
And may I remind you that he certainly didn't live through having it chopped in half.

Jazz is small, but he's WAY bigger than Frenzy. And being ripped down the middle like a peice of paper probably severed something he couldn't funtion long without, don't you think?

~Windcharger~ wrote:My point was that you could get more emotional impact from a larger audience by killing a character that has been developed better. Jazz is hardly in the movie, so those who do like Jazz and complain about his death have very little to go on character-wise. Yeah he did some cool stuff in the movie, but that doesn't tell you much about him as a character. It would've had a greater impact if they killed off Bumblebee instead...

Are you freakin' kidding me?
Bumblebee is a backbone character. They need him. I cried enough when he was captured.

Besides, if they had killed Optimus again everyone would complain that the movie was too flippin' repetative. And if he'd killed Bumblebee we'd all have to deal with way more complaint threads on this site!!

And if I may say so, Bay would be DEAD now if he'd had the gall to kill off BB.

well this is my FIRST forum post and i just wanted to say that Jazz shouldn't of died, but it should be fair thatat least one autobot dies...

I just hated how there wasn't a pause, no sad music or anything when he died, and almost if you blinked, you'd miss what happened. The shot is too far away, it should have been more close up, especially cause of Jazz's small size.

Siren Prime wrote:

~Windcharger~ wrote:My point was that you could get more emotional impact from a larger audience by killing a character that has been developed better. Jazz is hardly in the movie, so those who do like Jazz and complain about his death have very little to go on character-wise. Yeah he did some cool stuff in the movie, but that doesn't tell you much about him as a character. It would've had a greater impact if they killed off Bumblebee instead...

Are you freakin' kidding me?
Bumblebee is a backbone character. They need him. I cried enough when he was captured.

Besides, if they had killed Optimus again everyone would complain that the movie was too flippin' repetative. And if he'd killed Bumblebee we'd all have to deal with way more complaint threads on this site!!

And if I may say so, Bay would be DEAD now if he'd had the gall to kill off BB.

See? More of a reaction already. My point perfectly illustrated. Thank you.

Siren Prime wrote:And if I may say so, Bay would be DEAD now if he'd had the gall to kill off BB.

That's not a death threat towards Bay is it?

Burn wrote:

Siren Prime wrote:And if I may say so, Bay would be DEAD now if he'd had the gall to kill off BB.

That's not a death threat towards Bay is it?

Nah, I'm talking about all the idiots out there who did threaten him. They thought it was bad enough.

I was being sarcastic anyway. But still I think that killing BB would have made the whole movie suck.
Jazz... not so much...

Sorry Jazz.

Right. Gotcha. And I do agree, had it been BB there would have been a massive uproar.

Instead we've got a bunch of people clinging onto a false hope that is the G1 redeco's bio.

I was sad too. The reason he died was because they thought he was the third most likeable Autobot. His final battle would have been longer, but, as with all the other creeping problems with this film, there was'nt enough time. How gay is that?

Jazzz wrote:

Siren Prime wrote:
Bottom line with me though, I just hope Jazz comes back.

back in black?

HAHAHAHAHAHahahahaha!. Ha ha ha. ha.
Come on Decepticon punk!

I think they kill off Jazz coz he's the most obvious choice aside from Optimus and Bumblebee.As for Ironhide and Ratchet,it almost seems unlikely for them to die.Imagine megatron ripping Ironhide.Sheesh,I think he will just end up ripping his skeleton.And perhaps they kill Jazz coz he was a fan's favourite.He wanted to make more 'éxcitement''and surprise.Take Mortal Kombat Annihilation for example.They killed off a good guy and a fan's fave which is in this case,Johny Cage.

Jazzz wrote:There are 2 reasons.
either Bay wants a newer, better car for Jazz with more screentime

I think that is THE reason why Jazz was killed. Bay has expressed his dissatisfaction with his Pontiac Solstace form. But he had to go along with what GM wanted. So by killing him in the movie, and then bringing him back to life possibly with that allspark piece, Bay can choose an alt mode for him more to his pleasing.

/* begin rant */
I hope they dont bring Jazz back, frankly the movie version of Jazz, in plain words, pissed me off. I thought he was horribly portrayed, I am sorry if this offends someone out there but what moron decided Jazz needed to sound like some kind of gansta rapper ghetto trash? I mean for Primus' sake whats his opening line? He transforms, spins on his head like some kind of breakdancer and then flops onto a car crushing it and says "What's happening bitches" or something like that i could really understand him. He was reduced to a bit part and when Megs ripped him in two I almost cheered. I had big issues with Ironhide's personality too but Jazz made me angry in a big way when i saw the movie.
/* end rant */

moldavite wrote:

Jazzz wrote:There are 2 reasons.
either Bay wants a newer, better car for Jazz with more screentime

I think that is THE reason why Jazz was killed. Bay has expressed his dissatisfaction with his Pontiac Solstace form. But he had to go along with what GM wanted. So by killing him in the movie, and then bringing him back to life possibly with that allspark piece, Bay can choose an alt mode for him more to his pleasing.

That's an interesting point of view. I hadn't heard that Bay was unhappy with the Solstice for Jazz. It could be an interesting development.

I haven't read all of this thread so I might be repeating stuff but whatevers.

People are saying that Bumblebee survived losing his legs therefore Jazz must survive being ripped in half. Well, aside from the obvious point that I think Burn mentioned, that theyre not the same, theres something else you need to consider.

If one person gets ripped in half and dies, it doesn't make sense to say that ALL people who get ripped in half will die. I know its a slim possibility of living, but I think we need to stop comparing one person's injuries to another.

I believe there was a Ripley's Believe It Or Not story in which a child survived a shotgun blast to the head at point blank (honestly, don't ask me how). Just because Bumblebee survived a similar injury doesn't mean Jazz would. There are minute variables that could totally change the same situation for both of them. Maybe shock was a factor for Jazz? I don't know.


As for WHY they killed him, in the great big 'WHY, OH WHY' sense of 'why', I dont know. They didn't have to kill any of them, but it adds a little realism to an otherwise rediculous film (those are some durable humans). Somebody had to go. I'm not sure why it couldn't be Ironhide really. Ratchet is slightly more essential than either Jazz or Ironhide so he couldn't go.

Alas, poor Jazz. I knew him well... Well, not really.

Meverix wrote:I haven't read all of this thread so I might be repeating stuff but whatevers.

People are saying that Bumblebee survived losing his legs therefore Jazz must survive being ripped in half. Well, aside from the obvious point that I think Burn mentioned, that theyre not the same, theres something else you need to consider.

If one person gets ripped in half and dies, it doesn't make sense to say that ALL people who get ripped in half will die. I know its a slim possibility of living, but I think we need to stop comparing one person's injuries to another.

I believe there was a Ripley's Believe It Or Not story in which a child survived a shotgun blast to the head at point blank (honestly, don't ask me how). Just because Bumblebee survived a similar injury doesn't mean Jazz would. There are minute variables that could totally change the same situation for both of them. Maybe shock was a factor for Jazz? I don't know.

Four words: Mike the Headless Chicken.

Meverix wrote:Alas, poor Jazz. I knew him well... Well, not really.

Surprisingly, that statement summarizes my point fairly well. If you look at my first post, you will see the point I'm trying to make. I didn't really mind them killing Jazz in the movie, however I still contend that it lacked any real emotion like the death of Optimus Prime. Because Jazz never had much screen time, he simply becomes a throw away character. If it was an away mission in Star Trek, Jazz would be the guy in red. You might think he's kind of cool, but his death isn't going to make you weep.

If Bay wanted his movie to have even more impact, he should kill a character people actually like, such as Bumblebee. That would have made for an edgier movie. Sure, more people would be complaining right now, but at least he could say he had the guts to do something with cinematic impact. As it is, his movies are all like marshmallow fluff. Very delicious, but lacking any real substance.

Burn wrote:Bring back Brawl.

Look at how many humans and Autobots it took to bring him down.

Amen. Brawl knocked down half a city and withstood so much punishment and get no credit. Jazz had two lines and died and people are clamoring for his return.
I don't post in the Movie related threads because it's always a shouting match, like a good deal of the early posts in this thread pointed at. I think many people are non-plused by the death of Jazz for the simple reason that he had next to no character development at all. None of the characters did, as has been pointed out since last summer, but really, how much character did the robots have that we didn't bring with us? Starscream, treacherous lieutenant to Megatron, one line of speech and it is responded to with an implication of constant failure, which we as TF fans understood from years and years of other series.
People were upset when Optimus died in 86 because he was a developed character. Jazz in 07 was implied to be the cool hipster Autobot. Personally, I cheered Jazz' death.

Decepticons forever.

Shadowman wrote:

Meverix wrote:I haven't read all of this thread so I might be repeating stuff but whatevers.

People are saying that Bumblebee survived losing his legs therefore Jazz must survive being ripped in half. Well, aside from the obvious point that I think Burn mentioned, that theyre not the same, theres something else you need to consider.

If one person gets ripped in half and dies, it doesn't make sense to say that ALL people who get ripped in half will die. I know its a slim possibility of living, but I think we need to stop comparing one person's injuries to another.

I believe there was a Ripley's Believe It Or Not story in which a child survived a shotgun blast to the head at point blank (honestly, don't ask me how). Just because Bumblebee survived a similar injury doesn't mean Jazz would. There are minute variables that could totally change the same situation for both of them. Maybe shock was a factor for Jazz? I don't know.

Four words: Mike the Headless Chicken.

I totally forgot about Mike! And of course he choked to death or something? That would've been anticlimactic for a transformer.

~Windcharger~ wrote:

Meverix wrote:Alas, poor Jazz. I knew him well... Well, not really.

Surprisingly, that statement summarizes my point fairly well. If you look at my first post, you will see the point I'm trying to make. I didn't really mind them killing Jazz in the movie, however I still contend that it lacked any real emotion like the death of Optimus Prime. Because Jazz never had much screen time, he simply becomes a throw away character. If it was an away mission in Star Trek, Jazz would be the guy in red. You might think he's kind of cool, but his death isn't going to make you weep.

If Bay wanted his movie to have even more impact, he should kill a character people actually like, such as Bumblebee. That would have made for an edgier movie. Sure, more people would be complaining right now, but at least he could say he had the guts to do something with cinematic impact. As it is, his movies are all like marshmallow fluff. Very delicious, but lacking any real substance.

Haha, yes, nice analogy. His death was pretty empty and yes, he was a red shirt. It's a shame though, his character deserved much more. At least if he'd had a dying line or something. He was a bit of a non-character really.