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Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:40 am

With the amount of events in the last 2 years that have spirraled out of control, I have to now seriously question how soon before an action occurs that leads into the next world war.

Am I being overly worried and scaremongering...maybe not.

In britain alone, there is a huge growing hatred, albeit somewhat of an undercurrent towards foreigners. Every year thousands more come to britain and claim benefits and drive down the minimum wage by working for a pitance due to the fantastic exchange rates and strength of the british £.

Single mothers breed legions of chavs like there is no tomorrow, all the while sitting on their arses doing nothing, simply because the benefit system in this country makes it worthwhile.

Factor all the terrorists in this country intent on blowing us all up and you have a very bad, but containable scenario with disgruntled working population.

Now with all the recent financial turmoil you have people losing their homes, jobs and most likely sanity. If 1929 is anything to go by, this will very likely lead to the rise of an opportunistic despot like Hitler who has an ability to rally the people and while doing good for his people, seek a target to blame for this.

I really have started to look at things going on in the UK and seen a very angry populace that, if offered a solution to overcrowded and benefit culture britain may well take it for a short term solution, with no idea how this will pan out.

Just wondering what everyone elses views on this are, as things do not seem to be getting fixed by our government, and I've seen when governments fail their people, the people will take matters into their own hands.

News Credits: 129 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:14 am

In short? No.

And if there were to be a WW3, it won't be what you think it will be.

WW3 will be over a resource, water, oil, information...

News Credits: 6 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:04 pm

Counterpunch wrote:WW3 will be over a resource

Like pretty much any war actually is (disregarding the political BS that surrounds it)?

I don't think there will be a World War III without a massive reconfiguration of the prevailing alliances.

For a World War, you need a sort of chain-reaction to pull everyone in, and that requires two sets of distinct alliance 'chains' that cover the planet. To get chains complicated enough and strong enough in a day-and-age where the national leaders are no longer related by blood, and countries no longer have access to colonial resources, is difficult. Not impossible, as Hitler proved, but WWII was a strange duck all the way around, and the European front could almost be considered a bizarre continuation of WWI.

At one time I would have been concerned that another Korean War could have led to WWIII, since the US would jump in on the South's side, and China on the North's, followed by all of their respective allies on either side. Now though, China and the US both have too much to lose by getting into a direct confrontation, so I think you'd just see the same thing we have for the past 60yrs - fighting between the super-powers by proxy, limiting the war's spread to a few small, third-world countries.

Of course, now I suspect that if North Korea made an aggressive move against South Korea, after China (IIRC) told them to knock it off, China would probably join us in attacking North Korea. It would be a great excuse for them to gobble that territory up and deal with a 'loose end' as it were. And I wouldn't complain.

News Credits: 1 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:43 pm

skyshadowprimus wrote:
In britain alone, there is a huge growing hatred, albeit somewhat of an undercurrent towards foreigners. Every year thousands more come to britain and claim benefits and drive down the minimum wage by working for a pitance due to the fantastic exchange rates and strength of the british £.

Wow, that sounds exactly like the United States.

Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:39 pm

Original Sin wrote:
skyshadowprimus wrote:
In britain alone, there is a huge growing hatred, albeit somewhat of an undercurrent towards foreigners. Every year thousands more come to britain and claim benefits and drive down the minimum wage by working for a pitance due to the fantastic exchange rates and strength of the british £.

Wow, that sounds exactly like the United States.

This is the basis for my fears. I'm not by any means saying it would be an overnight affair, but when a situation reaches a crisis point in world economic powers and you have the potential of a coup (unlikely but by no means impossible at this stage) thats when you get the intervention of other states for various reasons.

Look at Iraq, I'm sure the spin there is that we are responsible for engineering the coup that overthrew Saddam and landing them in the mess they are in now. This again was not an overnight turnaround, his people started to hate him for years beforehand.

I'm thinking Britain is not a similar kettle of fish, but people are feeling betrayed by the government and parties like the BNP gain support every day as they offer a solution.

News Credits: 104 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:56 pm

World war 3...
world war 3 will be fought with nukes and the survivors will be few.

I welcome oblivion with open arms.

News Credits: 767 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:07 pm

You know you guys won the last two, so it would only be fair if we won this time.

Na I don't believe that there will be a new World War, I think Humanity has learned from the last two that it's just a waste of resources, time and life.

News Credits: 49 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:17 pm

Dead Metal wrote:Na I don't believe that there will be a new World War, I think Humanity has learned from the last two that it's just a waste of resources, time and life.

No, only a portion of humanity has learned that it's a waste of resources, time and life.

If all of humanity realized that, there wouldn't have been any wars since WW2.

So long as someone wants what someone else has, there will be conflict, and from that, war.

It's only a matter of time till we get the next world war.

News Credits: 349 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:49 pm

There will never be a WW3. Nukes and guerilla tactics have changed the way war is fought. Had the Manhattan project failed, we'd be in our 5th or 6th World War and the 3rd one would have been the big one (Capitalists West vs. Communists East aka The Cold War, but actual fighting involved).

News Credits: 26 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:27 pm

2012

News Credits: 2 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:40 pm

Wheeljack35 wrote:2012

The Mayan calendar is probably not something to set your watch by. People who believed the sun was a living God, and didn't know anything was beyond the ocean are not the best political analysts around.

News Credits: 56 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:44 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Wheeljack35 wrote:2012

The Mayan calendar is probably not something to set your watch by. People who believed the sun was a living God, and didn't know anything was beyond the ocean are not the best political analysts around.

I believe the Mayans weren't the only ones who thought that armageddon would be in the year 2012.

News Credits: 49 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:47 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Wheeljack35 wrote:2012

The Mayan calendar is probably not something to set your watch by. People who believed the sun was a living God, and didn't know anything was beyond the ocean are not the best political analysts around.

Although you got to give them credit, they at least picked a physical object, so they had proof he existed. "What do you mean he doesn't exist? Look, you see that big-ass yellow ball hanging in the sky, that's him."

Of course, I mean no offense to Christians, Catholics, Muslims and all that crap. My gods happen to be invisible at the moment as well.

News Credits: 2 · Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:26 pm

Senor Hugo wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Wheeljack35 wrote:2012

The Mayan calendar is probably not something to set your watch by. People who believed the sun was a living God, and didn't know anything was beyond the ocean are not the best political analysts around.

Although you got to give them credit, they at least picked a physical object, so they had proof he existed. "What do you mean he doesn't exist? Look, you see that big-ass yellow ball hanging in the sky, that's him."

Of course, I mean no offense to Christians, Catholics, Muslims and all that crap. My gods happen to be invisible at the moment as well.

And to be fair, most Norse and Greek and etc Gods are also of the "invisible" variety. Typically the important ones; Zeus, Thor, Odin, those guys. A couple represented physical object, usually the sun and moon.

Back on topic, I don't think people who thought human sacrifices would make a nuclear fireball millions of miles away happy, are the best source for modern geopolitical predictions.

News Credits: 767 · Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:13 am

Well they did say that one day beings of grate power with shiny bodies and the power to make thunder would travel over the big blue see and meet them.

News Credits: 6 · Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:21 am

Cyber Bishop wrote:World war 3...
world war 3 will be fought with nukes and the survivors will be few.

I actually very much doubt that. I expect nuclear weaponry will actually forestall any global conflict. It will be when one side perfects a defense against nuclear attack (e.g. extensive laser-based ICBM interception network or, in a real flight of fantasy, energy shields).

I welcome oblivion with open arms.

Strange sentiment from a man with children.

I should very much like humanity's descendents to survive to solve all of our problems, even if it takes 200 million years and some significant biological evolution at the neurological level.

Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:18 pm

The original post, the whole thing, sounds exactly like the US. Interesting that.

I don't think we'll have another WORLD war, but war is inevitable.

it's our nature, hell it's Natures nature, we just happen to act out our instincts with big guns and bombs instead of large mandibles and stingers.

Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:35 pm

Well, I currently think "World War III" is in progress right now...well, what we have will eventually devolve into it. The world today is rather small, and all countries are interconnected in one way or another, each one holds some economic interests in the other...

...As for nukes being involved, I SERIOUSLY doubt this as a possibility anymore. Nukes are wasteful and obsolete, there are weapons of war that are FAR more effective in eliminating one's enemy without the wholesale collateral damage that nukes create. I think the only time a nuke MIGHT be used is if it gets in the hand of some radical non-governmental group and they use it, but even this is highly unlikely.

News Credits: 2 · Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:13 pm

Pyrostrata wrote:...As for nukes being involved, I SERIOUSLY doubt this as a possibility anymore. Nukes are wasteful and obsolete, there are weapons of war that are FAR more effective in eliminating one's enemy without the wholesale collateral damage that nukes create. I think the only time a nuke MIGHT be used is if it gets in the hand of some radical non-governmental group and they use it, but even this is highly unlikely.

What way to harm and even demoralize your enemy...than to wipe out his city, and all of it's people, and render it and the surrounding area a mess of radioactive ruins? Because that was what they did with the first two nukes.

Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:54 pm

I was gonna try to make a snarky/sarcastic joke about how dropping those 2 bombs was an ok thing to do, because America is crazy cool like that and it's only wrong when the 'other' guys do stuff like that.

But then I thought about it, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki really just can't be joked about, even all these decades later.

That whole scene was just nasty and not cool at all.

I really hope we and noone else ever do anything that ridiculously stupid again.

Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:00 am

Malikon wrote:I was gonna try to make a snarky/sarcastic joke about how dropping those 2 bombs was an ok thing to do, because America is crazy cool like that and it's only wrong when the 'other' guys do stuff like that.

But then I thought about it, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki really just can't be joked about, even all these decades later.

That whole scene was just nasty and not cool at all.

I really hope we and noone else ever do anything that ridiculously stupid again.

In the heat of battle in the middle of a war its very likely

You think your enemy is about to launch a nuclear strike against you and you have little to no time to act...what do you do???

Nuke him first

Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:01 am

I wonder what will happen with Iran getting nuclear weapons. They may deny it but all the evidence shows they are building them. They are threatening to wipe out Isreal. Isreal is going to bomb them to protect themselves. After all a country has a right to defend itself. The countries that hate Isreal are going to rally behind Iran and then there will be the countries that that help Isreal.Iran may very well use oil as a blackmail to force countries to help them. I guess that is why we hear both Democrats and Republicans say that Iran cannot be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
As far as Japan goes in WW2. Do not forget that we were staying out of the war, totally uninvolved when they flew over hear and bombed Pearl Harbor. At that time Japan was a ruthless country forcing its pilots to fly suicide missions into ships. They dropped the bombs to stop the war. Good or bad it worked. War is not pretty and innocent people die. It is not pretty at all it is war.I am sure that when the allied forces were fighting in Europe innocent people died there too, but Hitler had to be stopped. Most of us would not exsist today if he had not been. I am afaid sometimes people get the glory idea of war that it should be just shoot up the bad guys and no innocent people die like you see on TV. It is not like that. But what can you do when someone who is pure evil is trying to take over the world and killing anyone who is not perfect? Most of us have been so fortunate to never have to witness pure evil with our own eyes so we forget how bad things can get. Somtimes hard choices need to be made like will we sacifice thousands to save billions of lives. It is a horrible choice and I pray that it never has to happen again. Remember though that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

News Credits: 10 · Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:57 pm

Still waiting. Hope this one finish humanity once for all.

Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:33 pm

I personally think the next big conflict will be a lower class uprising in america. Think, some kid gets turned away from medical treatment because he has no money, then he dies, then there's a preotest about healthcare, then a riot, and bam! civil turmoil. Of course, that's just a guess, but it's getting liklier and likelier.

News Credits: 2 · Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:43 pm

JaAm wrote:I personally think the next big conflict will be a lower class uprising in america. Think, some kid gets turned away from medical treatment because he has no money, then he dies, then there's a preotest about healthcare, then a riot, and bam! civil turmoil. Of course, that's just a guess, but it's getting liklier and likelier.

That kind of thing probably happens often. There's 300,000,000 people in this country, and many of them can't afford health care.