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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:07 am

Title sort-of explains it. Just name an event/moment from any generation that you believe to be among the worst in TF history. I'll go first.

The Death of Optimus Prime

Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:01 am

Starscream's coronation.

It really was bad comedy.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:52 am

The death of Optimus Prime. They should never have had to do his return because he'd have never left me at the tender age of 8. Rodimus was OK and all (I notice alot of people are all over him for his self-doubt, but it makes sense) but I had total separation anxiety.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:03 am

yeah Death of OP. stupid move!

News Credits: 1 · Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:07 am

The end of DW.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:15 am

I happen to think that the death of OP was a good idea, it suited the movie very well and built up Hotrod's destiny as the future leader.
As for my vote on the worst moment, I'd say when Takara took over the G1 storyline, especially the way they messed up Arcee's character.

News Credits: 1 · Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:23 am

The Unicron Trilogy

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:25 am

Nujevad wrote:I happen to think that the death of OP was a good idea, it suited the movie very well and built up Hotrod's destiny as the future leader.
As for my vote on the worst moment, I'd say when Takara took over the G1 storyline, especially the way they messed up Arcee's character.

Agreed! When Japan contiued the cartoon, the designs and characters were generic and overly-gimmicky... And those damn pastel colors!!! UGH!

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:26 am

Takara blowing up Siebertron! WTF!

:DEVIL:

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:32 pm

The entire season of Transformers: Cybertron. That animation looks horrendous.

News Credits: 3 · Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:18 pm

When G2 got axed, well atleast they showed us the most powerful Decepticon ever on the last page.

Damm you Hasbro!

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:18 pm

1.) Wheelie's existance.

2.) Hot Rod becoming Rodimus Prime. I agree with whoever it was that already said that Optimus Prime's death was needed, but Hot Rod was better off as Hot Rod than as post-movie Rodimus.

3.) IMO, the TF: A/E/C shows.

News Credits: 1 · Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:18 pm

Action Masters
Beast Machines
A lot of the story arcs from the old transformers marvel comic.
Hasbro being retarded with rewriting things.
The movie designs.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:50 pm

Unicron trilogy; especially the transformers energon series

Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:50 pm

The Existance of Kicker

Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:04 pm

Ratbat leading the Decepticons.
People confusing the colors for Thundercracker and Skywarp. (seriously there's a thread in Comics and Cartoons where people are arguing that Skywarp is the blue one and Thundercracker is the purple and black one.) I can sort of understand the confusion about Rumble and Frenzy but 'warp and 'cracker?
The Unicron "Trilogy".
The increasing amount of time spent on humans in the Transformers series.
Dreamwave going bankrupt.
Grimlock wearing a stupid crown.
The Star TV dubs of Headmasters. (Billy, Wally, and Sparkle? And they call Raiden "Grimlock"?)
Bringing Optimus back from the dead. (It stank of back pedal, and I don't like it in comic books why would I like it in animation?)
Wheelie being created.
The Car Wash of Doom.
A fair amount of stories in the 80s Marvel Comics run that were as ridiculous as the Car Wash of Doom.
Never having a G1 Arcee toy. (Legend has it they were going to repaint and redeco Chromedome to make her a Headmaster toy. Then there's the unpainted Titanium Arcee prototype that probably won't be released.)
Beast Machines in and of it'self especially the Maximal's charectorisations and designs. The Vehicons were the only thing cool about that show.

I'm sure there are more but that's all I can think of.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:13 pm

Nujevad wrote:I happen to think that the death of OP was a good idea, it suited the movie very well and built up Hotrod's destiny as the future leader.
As for my vote on the worst moment, I'd say when Takara took over the G1 storyline, especially the way they messed up Arcee's character.

Granted Optimus' death was a good plot device, but consider my childhood.

Shortly before I was 3, my father died. In the years following that, Optimus, Spider-Man, etc. were father figures to me. Since I never really knew my own father, Optimus dying was like my father dying all over again. How would you feel?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:20 pm

death of op. What were thinking?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:36 pm

Bringing Optimus back from the dead. (It stank of back pedal, and I don't like it in comic books why would I like it in animation?)

It's different when it's something organic. Optimus Prime is not organic, really. Especially in the G1 universe are the Transformers not organic. To me, rebuilding Optimus Prime is like rebuilding Johnny Five in those stupid Short Ciruit movies, only this was actually a good idea.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:17 pm

DorkimusPrime wrote:
Bringing Optimus back from the dead. (It stank of back pedal, and I don't like it in comic books why would I like it in animation?)

It's different when it's something organic. Optimus Prime is not organic, really. Especially in the G1 universe are the Transformers not organic. To me, rebuilding Optimus Prime is like rebuilding Johnny Five in those stupid Short Ciruit movies, only this was actually a good idea.

Not exactly. Johnny Five was just A.I. whether he was sentient or not is up to debate. Optimus was sentient and he had a soul (sparks are souls). As proven by Starscream's ghost.

Just when many were coming to at the very least start to warm up to Rodimus they pulled a back pedal and brought Optimus back. It stank of desperation and made fans of the other dead charectors mad. It wasn't a wise move, and in Japan they killed him off for a second time.

News Credits: 1 · Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:49 pm

I never liked the turn the series took when Hasbro brought over RID. Transformers had been turning gradually more mature, growing with its fans, through the later G1 comic and G2 series, and Beast Wars and Machines were huge story developments, something that we all must admit whether we liked them or not.

However, RID seemed little more than a DBZ-esque "hunt for power!" and Armada . . . well, let's not touch that burning bag of dog ****. At least the Atari game was good.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:09 pm

Goribus wrote:
DorkimusPrime wrote:
Bringing Optimus back from the dead. (It stank of back pedal, and I don't like it in comic books why would I like it in animation?)

It's different when it's something organic. Optimus Prime is not organic, really. Especially in the G1 universe are the Transformers not organic. To me, rebuilding Optimus Prime is like rebuilding Johnny Five in those stupid Short Ciruit movies, only this was actually a good idea.

Not exactly. Johnny Five was just A.I. whether he was sentient or not is up to debate. Optimus was sentient and he had a soul (sparks are souls). As proven by Starscream's ghost.

First off, sparks didn't "exist" within the TF canon until BW, so, technically, G1 didn't have sparks. Secondly, Starscream's ghost is a vague depiction of his unique "immortality"; it is not proof that TFs have souls, but only his everlasting existance depicted in a manner that humans can understand.

I agree that TFs are sentient, but the soul aspect is what I agree with you is debatable (SP?).

Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:17 pm

The death of Optimus Prime was hard for me. He reminded me of my grandfather, and still does to this very day.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:49 pm

Predaprince wrote:
Goribus wrote:
DorkimusPrime wrote:
Bringing Optimus back from the dead. (It stank of back pedal, and I don't like it in comic books why would I like it in animation?)

It's different when it's something organic. Optimus Prime is not organic, really. Especially in the G1 universe are the Transformers not organic. To me, rebuilding Optimus Prime is like rebuilding Johnny Five in those stupid Short Ciruit movies, only this was actually a good idea.

Not exactly. Johnny Five was just A.I. whether he was sentient or not is up to debate. Optimus was sentient and he had a soul (sparks are souls). As proven by Starscream's ghost.

First off, sparks didn't "exist" within the TF canon until BW, so, technically, G1 didn't have sparks. Secondly, Starscream's ghost is a vague depiction of his unique "immortality"; it is not proof that TFs have souls, but only his everlasting existance depicted in a manner that humans can understand.

I agree that TFs are sentient, but the soul aspect is what I agree with you is debatable (SP?).

I agree that it's open to debate but at the time there were no real plans for Starscream to be immortal. And it's argueable that those elders contained in the Matrix were in a way ghosts. But a ghost is an apparition and most derive them to be the spirits (or souls) of the departed. It wasn't until Beast Wars that they had decided that Starscream would have "an immortal spark". I'm not saying your wrong but it's just my oppinion on the matter.

Bringing Prime back from the dead undermined what they were attempting to do with Rodimus, in the same way that Marvel bringing Peter back as the true Spider-Man undermined what they were doing with Ben. Both made a bad situation worse. And like I've already said it further alienated fans of the other dead Transformers from the movie who were basically left to ask "If Optimus gets to come back from the dead why not so and so." And no I don't include Starscream in that sentiment, he only had coporal form for all of 10 minutes (in his time) and the ghost angle lead to a few interesting stories.

Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:13 pm

When they decided to give the Tfs 'sparks' in Beast Wars. Giving them "sparks" takes away some of the mystery from Tfs and over-simplifies the idea of a soul. Especially as the "spark" is sometimes localized mainly in the chest. Without using "sparks," when Tfs becomes ghosts, it makes it more interesting. It then begs many complex questions and the need for philosophical answers, rather then, "They are just machines. Who cares if they die? They can just rebuild themselves." But with no "spark chamber" there are questions like "What makes them alive and have a soul?"

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