Bay Reveals Character Death in ROTF

This'll piss some people off. It might be a Bay lie, who knows.

You know what? I don't like Michael Bay.

considering im not a fan of any of the motorcycle bots, i don't care all that much. besides you know some autobots were gonna die.

I just hope that it is better done than Jazz's death in the first one. The only reason I cared at all was because I liked Jazz from the cartoon, but I never managed to care about the film version.

Wow. That will piss off a lot of folks... (I can't wait for that. Yay.)

That might explain why her toy hasn't been shown yet or with much fanfare, also kills the "she's a combiner!" rumor.

Ah well, I hope she goes out all awesome like.

tech348 wrote:This'll piss some people off. It might be a Bay lie, who knows.

On one hand, it really depends on how he does it. It's like Blastback said; it needs to be better than how Jazz is done.

On the other hand...if I'm gonna get pissed off over this news, it's not gonna be over the fact that he's doing it itself. It's why he's doing it. It's like fraking with G1 just because you didn't like one thing or another. It just doesn't seem right to me that he's willing to kill off a character just because he doesn't like her.

so he did not like arcee but he likes skidz and mudflap?
i call for a drug test.
theres still a chance this is part of his disinformation campaign as well.

Softimus Prime wrote:so he did not like arcee but he likes skidz and mudflap?
i call for a drug test.
theres still a chance this is part of his disinformation campaign as well.

Skids and Mudflap... Now those two I hope will be blown to misshaped pixels.

Honestly, if you dislike a character, you can find other ways to deal with them besides just killing them off. have them evolve into someone better, send them off on some mission that keeps them off screen, something. If a death was genuinly needed for some reason, then okay, but don't do it just because you don't care for a character.

I don't mind Arcee dying in the movie, I just hope she gets some decent screen time and plays an important enough role to at least get some different toys and CGI stock render images for wallpapers and stuff... unlike Brawl and Bonecrusher in movie #1

Shame really, motorcycle TFs add some great variety to the movie cast, why would you want to get rid of them - especially after some poor bike builder worked his ass off to make these bikes. We still don't know if "Arcee" is the pink bike, or all bikes combined.

he is full of poo i am not believing a thing he says

He also said Megatron isn't in the movie, I don't believe a word he says anymore.

I honestly do not care at all what is said or romoured about this movie before I actually see it...

So, it seems Bay's reasoning for killing off Arcee is eerily similar for for his reasoning behind the death of Jazz. And as a total Jazz fanboy, this bit of news really pisses me off. My sympathies go out to all Arcee fans everywhere.

Bay is racist and sexist.
He kills the only girl (assuming that arcee is the combined form of the bikes)
And he kills the only black guy as well.

Ugh, just stuff a sock in it Bay. I'm buying this just about as much as I'm buying "Megatron is only in a flashback." Just stifle your word hole until the movie is released.

i wont believe it till i see it

magneticlehrak wrote:Bay is racist and sexist.
He kills the only girl (assuming that arcee is the combined form of the bikes)
And he kills the only black guy as well.

Jazz was not "black".

He was voiced by a black guy, that however does NOT make a fictional character in the movie, black.

And for all we know Bay's dislike of Arcee may be based on a number of things, not just the fact she is a "she".

Think things through before posting people. He has his reasons and he doesn't need to explain them to you.

Chaoslock wrote:

Softimus Prime wrote:so he did not like arcee but he likes skidz and mudflap?
i call for a drug test.
theres still a chance this is part of his disinformation campaign as well.

Skids and Mudflap... Now those two I hope will be blown to misshaped pixels.

My sentiments exactly. I'm willing to wager that this statement's another whole load of misinformation, and that 'heroic' thing the fuglybros do at the end involves getting stepped on by Devastator or blown up by Fallen/Megatron.

Not that I believe him but sometimes a death will actually make a character a lot more popular than when he/she was alive.

Arcee? right.... whatever you say Michael.....

so arcee is gonna be the important death that brings a sence of real drama in this one..... sure ,sure
not say? a certain semi-truck?


(and their gonna bring him back in the next one )

Well, as long as it's relevant to the story, unlike the arbitrary death syndrome of the last Harry Potter book, I don't mind.

Personally, I'd rather see Ironhide get killed. G1 Ironhide is one of my favourite TF's but in recent years, all TF's getting that name are annoying.

Energon Ironhide
Animated Ironhide (both of which have awful voices)
Movie Ironhide just came across as silly.

So Arcee is less likeable than that pipecleaner bot, Frenzy?

Movie Wheelie is going to be likeable?

The Unicycle Constructicon is cool?

Jetfire's 'beard' and cane are cool?

Bay is turning into TF's answer to Joel Schumacher. And to use an old joke, Schumacher is German for Cobblers!

We so need Christopher Nolan to reboot the series or someone faithful to the source material like Peter Jackson.

Windsweeper wrote:
We so need Christopher Nolan to reboot the series or someone faithful to the source material like Peter Jackson.

Christopher Nolan, maybe. But he'd likely try to turn Optimus Prime into the bad guy in the eyes of the characters like he did to Batman in Dark Knight, and that was just flat out stupid.

But Peter Jackson? Yeah, he nailed "Rings", but he totally butchered King Kong. He'd most likely F it up much worse than Bay could.

D-340 wrote:

Windsweeper wrote:But Peter Jackson? Yeah, he nailed "Rings", but he totally butchered King Kong. He'd most likely F it up much worse than Bay could.

Butchered, why? I thought it was a pretty good movie, and as I've read, it follows the '33 movie very well.

Jerk

Didn't we already figure this out months ago?

LIke when the motorcycles were at the Chinese-themed set but didnt appear anywhere else in the movie.

This has been speculated for awhile.

Arcee: ;_; Why Mr. Bay?

MB: CUZ I'M MICHAEL BAY BEOTCH!

*Triggers massive explosion, enveloping himself and Arcee while laughing maniacly*

Well that's stupid. I hope we don't get any deaths like bonecrusher's, where he appears out of nowhere, transforms and does something cool, and DIES. That better not happen to anyone major in this film, but I wouldn't mind it that much if there was like an army of no names that appears and they get killed, but Arcee is a prime character

ShGarland_1383 wrote:if I'm gonna get pissed off over this news, it's not gonna be over the fact that he's doing it itself. It's why he's doing it. It's like fraking with G1 just because you didn't like one thing or another. It just doesn't seem right to me that he's willing to kill off a character just because he doesn't like her.

Exactly.

Why even reveal this? This guy has such an ego it's ridiculous. It's like he's flaunting the fact that he can screw with this property however he wants, and he knows that it irritates people, and he loves it. That's the only reasoning I can come up with for so much of his idiocy.

magneticlehrak wrote:Bay is racist and sexist.
He kills the only girl (assuming that arcee is the combined form of the bikes)
And he kills the only black guy as well.

That doesn't make any sense. Epps survived the movie. Or wait, did you mean black bot? But then, that doesn't make any sense, either. Ironhide also survived. Though Blackout died, but he was just a dark gray. I guess Barricade died, but then that's debatable since he was never shown being killed.

As for Arcee, if she dies (And I'm taking a grain of salt from the shaker marked "News from Bay") I hope it's less like Jazz, more like Dinobot, but then that's a bit too hopeful.

So first he kills Jazz and now Arcee, any one else see a trend here? God i hope this movie sucks so bad that even hasbro will see that Bay sucks and kick him off the franchise.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:So first he kills Jazz and now Arcee, any one else see a trend here?

I don't, care to point it out for me?

Megatron_Wolf wrote:God i hope this movie sucks so bad that even hasbro will see that Bay sucks and kick him off the franchise.

When has Hasbro ever noticed that something sucked? They let the Unicron Trilogy stay on, didn't they?

Okay, this is either misinformation, or maybe Arcee is just one of the bikes, not the combined form. Maybe Fox rides Chromia. Or maybe Bay has some even more ridiculous idea in mind, I wouldn't be surprised.

I really don't care if Arcee dies or not, as long as it isn't pointless. We need PLOT in this movie, Mr Bay, not irrelevant narrative strung between massive explosions. I'm all for explosions and giant f*cking robots doing battle in the streets, but I'm also all for substance.

For the people mentioning the TF1 Jazz death: Jazz wasn't "black." He was voiced by a black actor. Cybertronians do not have ethnicities of white/black/red/yellow/green. If anything, Jazz's race is Autobot. Or Cybertronian, if one considers that not all TFs are Cybertronians (Junkions, Paratronians). So, by that token, it is impossible for Bay to have killed off the "black" bot, literally (and literarily) speaking.

One could transfer this same principle to Cybertronian gender, and consider that there really is no such thing as male or female Cybertronians. Maybe their physical resemblance to human genders is purely coincidental.

Burn wrote:

magneticlehrak wrote:Bay is racist and sexist.
He kills the only girl (assuming that arcee is the combined form of the bikes)
And he kills the only black guy as well.

Jazz was not "black".

He was voiced by a black guy, that however does NOT make a fictional character in the movie, black.

And for all we know Bay's dislike of Arcee may be based on a number of things, not just the fact she is a "she".

Think things through before posting people. He has his reasons and he doesn't need to explain them to you.

Some people go straight to the minority card.

Michael Bay, I hate you... killing Arcee off.


The only bot I really care about getting killed off is Wheelie.

Not seeing the movie.

Y'all DO realize, right, that what you're doing right about here is feeding into the bloaty monster of Bay's ego? He figured out for the last movie that every teensy 'leak' caused more buzz--FREE--than most of the official advertising. More than that, his reputation as a less-than-candid dude has added the level of 'is it true?' 'is it bogus?' to the already 'is this a good idea or will it suck?' debate.

You're doing exactly what he wants you to do. You really don't like Bay? Stop dissecting everything he says. He's like a contestant on Rock of Love--just pathetically desperate for your attention. Until he can get your attention via large-scale explosions, this will have to do. If you think he's a narcissistic egomaniac with delusions of grandeur, well, you helped make him.

Besides, because we have no trust in any word that comes out of Bay of the Forked Tongue's mouth, most of us are going to have to shell out the bread to see the movie anyway.




HK, as long as Starscream doesn't die, I'm cool.

I have a cat named Arcee, she's going to be mad if her namesake dies.

But why include her if he doesn't like the character, only to kill her off so he can cut her out of the film? If she doesn't blossom as a character then who's fault is that considering they dictate everything she does and how she does it. Maybe he just doesn't like her design

Assuming of course that any of this is true.

syphonn wrote:But why include her if he doesn't like the character, only to kill her off so he can cut her out of the film? If she doesn't blossom as a character then who's fault is that considering they dictate everything she does and how she does it. Maybe he just doesn't like her design

Assuming of course that any of this is true.

I remember hearing that Sam Raimi doesn't like Venom. But he included Venom anyway (To an extent, at least) and even though Venom didn't appear until near the end of the movie, he still had a very important role. And then Venom died.

If Bay included Arcee despite not liking her, just to kill her off, perhaps her death is important?

He ruined Venom in that movie, if the director doesn't like a character at least have enough respect for the fans to not to mess them up and then kill them off. I'd rather they not use the character at all.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:He ruined Venom in that movie, if the director doesn't like a character at least have enough respect for the fans to not to mess them up and then kill them off. I'd rather they not use the character at all.

How did they ruin him? He was exactly as he was in his early comic appearances. In fact, the only things I could think of is his tendency to not wear his mask, and that he only appeared with the symbiote briefly.

Venom in Spiderman III, was an utter waste of a character, poorly done.

syphonn wrote:Venom in Spiderman III, was an utter waste of a character, poorly done.

You didn't answer my question: How did they ruin him in Spider-Man 3? Like I said, that's how he was in the early comics.

Shadowman wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:He ruined Venom in that movie, if the director doesn't like a character at least have enough respect for the fans to not to mess them up and then kill them off. I'd rather they not use the character at all.

How did they ruin him? He was exactly as he was in his early comic appearances. In fact, the only things I could think of is his tendency to not wear his mask, and that he only appeared with the symbiote briefly.

He referred to himself as I instead of we, almost to the point that they were rubbing it in our faces how badly they did his character. "you ruined MY life, stole MY girl, now I'M going to blah blah blah." He's a huge fan favorite and yet they just slapped him in at the last 10 minutes and still focused on Sandman. Then they killed him in the most absolute way they could just to make sure he couldn't come back. Like I said they should have just left him out rather than mess him up so badly. Or maybe end the movie at the chapel when he gets the symbiote. I did like the way he looked though, with the eratic web pattern, that was a nice touch. Sorry to rant, but I was looking forward to Venom since the first movie.

What I heard was that Raimi was pressured by the studio (and/or producers) to include Venom, when he personally wanted to focus on Sandman. If they had saved Venom to be the main villain in another film, I'm sure things would have turned out much better.

That would totally suck. I've wanted to see Arcee so badly. I don't want her wasted already (or never if I can wish that).

But I'm sorely temped to just say that this is another Bay lie. I'm betting he just wants to get all the Arcee fans angry and ticked off and in buzz.
I think he enjoys having people mad at him (whether justified or not).

Evil_the_Nub wrote:He referred to himself as I instead of we, almost to the point that they were rubbing it in our faces how badly they did his character. "you ruined MY life, stole MY girl, now I'M going to blah blah blah."

A minor speech quirk that you'd have to have read the comics to catch.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:He's a huge fan favorite and yet they just slapped him in at the last 10 minutes and still focused on Sandman. Then they killed him in the most absolute way they could just to make sure he couldn't come back.

Like Two-Face. And Ra's Al-Ghul. And Iron Monger. And Abomination.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Like I said they should have just left him out rather than mess him up so badly. Or maybe end the movie at the chapel when he gets the symbiote.

They didn't think there was going to be a fourth film, and I don't think anyone was really counting on it. Regardless, this happened.

And like I said, that's how he was in the early comics.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Sorry to rant, but I was looking forward to Venom since the first movie.

Obviously Sam Raimi was not. I was hoping more for Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. (And you know that would totally work!)