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Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad

Transformers News: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad

Tuesday, August 15th, 2023 3:48PM CDT

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Have I got some news for y'all!

Jesse Wittenrich has found and Tweeted a pic of Hasbro's old mock-up for Combiner Wars Ironclad. Who is Ironclad? Well, here's a quick history lesson:

Back in the Combiner Wars line, Hasbro had pretooled almost every Deluxe and Voyager mold with a second alternate head for later use of each mold. Most of these alternate heads saw use in the line, but some of them never saw the light of day. One such head was the pretooled head for the Rook mold. Originally, Hasbro had given the Rook mold a second head based on that of the Combaticon Brawl. Before the release of the Combaticons, Hasbro had planned to use the Rook mold for Brawl, but ultimately ended up making a completely new mold for Brawl instead (and one that didn't have a pretooled secondary head, but rather had a pretooled secondary drill turret instead).

When Hasbro decided to make a Combiner Wars giftset release of Computron, the original plan for that set was use the Legends class Groove mold to make Afterburner, while an all-new Technobot would replace Afterburner as a limb (just as Combiner Wars Rook had replaced Groove as a Protectobot limb). This is where Ironclad comes in, who would have been a redeco of Rook finally using the mold's secondary Brawl head. What's more, at RoboCon 2018, it was further revealed that the identity of Ironclad wasn't a whole new character as originally believed, but that he was actually meant to be a Trademark-friendly rename of Ironfist!

In the end, however, these plans fell through when Takara decided to make their own Computron (or "Computicon" in Japan) in the concurrent Unite Warriors line, and opted to heavily retool their Unite Warriors Deluxe-sized Groove mold into a Deluxe-sized Afterburner. Due to the relative closeness in timing, Hasbro was able to acquire the new Deluxe-sized Afterburner from Takara and add it to the Combiner Wars Computron giftset, nixing their original plans for a Legends class Afterburner and the replacement-limb Deluxe class Technobot Ironclad.

And now, after all this time, we finally have a look at what Hasbro had envisioned Ironclad (and its Brawl-based head) would look like:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1688012846058164224
Hmm I also found this.

It's... uh... NOT my creation. Should I show it?

Okay... well...

Remember how I name-dropped "Ironclad" in the one TCC prose story, because Hasbro had given us early mock-ups for the Technobots?

Well... uh... if you wanted to see...
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Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166898)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on August 15th, 2023 @ 6:01pm CDT
If only deluxe Groove had been about 4X more heavily retooled to make Afterburner, Takara might've made a perfect Computron.

And Ironfist? First glance at the thumbnail, that color scheme made me think Weirdwolf joined the Technobots.

Still, given Ironfist's prowess with experimental weapons, this guy would've made a cool solo release alongside Betatron-Scattershot.
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166905)
Posted by o.supreme on August 15th, 2023 @ 9:22pm CDT
Any CW treasures I am here for. Thanks for sharing. Of all the Combiners released Between Hasbro & TT; Computron was the one different enough to actually be 2 different bots IMHO, although colored very similarly.

I know I've shared this with many before, but you can actually make a case for using all the Scattershot releases:

Individual CW Scattershot (Torso for Modulus)
CW Scattershot (Torso for CW Computron , whihc I have dubbed "Betatron)
UW Scattershot (Torso for UW Computron, the TRUE Computron) ;)

There's never enough Combiners if you ask me. I'd gladly add Itornfist into the fold if it was ever realized.
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166948)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 17th, 2023 @ 11:13am CDT
Ah, what could have been... Shame Hasbro couldn't be bothered to actually use it, and that FunPub's plans for SG X-Brawn fell through.

That mold with that head as a Decepticon would have been perfect, we could have had a KO version of TT's Grand Galvatron: CW Cyclonus, CW Offroad, PotP Dreadwind, PotP Blackwing/Darkwing and this guy. :lol:
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166950)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 17th, 2023 @ 11:23am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Ah, what could have been... Shame Hasbro couldn't be bothered to actually use it, and that FunPub's plans for SG X-Brawn fell through.

That mold with that head as a Decepticon would have been perfect, we could have had a KO version of TT's Grand Galvatron: CW Cyclonus, CW Offroad, PotP Dreadwind, PotP Blackwing/Darkwing and this guy. :lol:
Rook would still work for that since Wandering Roller was also an Autobot.
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166951)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 17th, 2023 @ 11:33am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Ah, what could have been... Shame Hasbro couldn't be bothered to actually use it, and that FunPub's plans for SG X-Brawn fell through.

That mold with that head as a Decepticon would have been perfect, we could have had a KO version of TT's Grand Galvatron: CW Cyclonus, CW Offroad, PotP Dreadwind, PotP Blackwing/Darkwing and this guy. :lol:
Rook would still work for that since Wandering Roller was also an Autobot.


Nope, no Autobots or more jets for that one. [-(
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166952)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 17th, 2023 @ 11:35am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Ah, what could have been... Shame Hasbro couldn't be bothered to actually use it, and that FunPub's plans for SG X-Brawn fell through.

That mold with that head as a Decepticon would have been perfect, we could have had a KO version of TT's Grand Galvatron: CW Cyclonus, CW Offroad, PotP Dreadwind, PotP Blackwing/Darkwing and this guy. :lol:
Rook would still work for that since Wandering Roller was also an Autobot.


Nope, no Autobots or more jets for that one. [-(
There's always also the Tarantulas version of the figure. ;)
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166953)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 17th, 2023 @ 11:44am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Ah, what could have been... Shame Hasbro couldn't be bothered to actually use it, and that FunPub's plans for SG X-Brawn fell through.

That mold with that head as a Decepticon would have been perfect, we could have had a KO version of TT's Grand Galvatron: CW Cyclonus, CW Offroad, PotP Dreadwind, PotP Blackwing/Darkwing and this guy. :lol:
Rook would still work for that since Wandering Roller was also an Autobot.


Nope, no Autobots or more jets for that one. [-(
There's always also the Tarantulas version of the figure. ;)


Literally going for broke there :lol:
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166958)
Posted by o.supreme on August 17th, 2023 @ 12:21pm CDT
Slightly OT....I am now just one Botcon Ratchet away from completing my collection. It is kind of odd that on the last year and a half I obtained a couple of items much more difficult to obtain, and at prices better than expected, but this one item still eludes me. The last couple on eBay were ridiculously priced - $400 and up.

I'm almost contemplating just getting another UW LynxMaster, for the Ratchet, but it would be more work to repaint and apply the correct decals....but might actually be cheaper... :-?
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2166959)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 17th, 2023 @ 12:28pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Slightly OT....I am now just one Botcon Ratchet away from completing my collection. It is kind of odd that on the last year and a half I obtained a couple of items much more difficult to obtain, and at prices better than expected, but this one item still eludes me. The last couple on eBay were ridiculously priced - $400 and up.

I'm almost contemplating just getting another UW LynxMaster, for the Ratchet, but it would be more work to repaint and apply the correct decals....but might actually be cheaper... :-?


But wouldn't that be kinda cheating?
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2167162)
Posted by o.supreme on August 20th, 2023 @ 10:58am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:But wouldn't that be kinda cheating?


Not really, considering how difficult they are to find now. It's the same base body, just extra steps to remove the existing paint.

Heck I thought it was brilliant that a fan shared steps to make CW Custom Medix on a budget. If you can get the Medix labels, just kitbash an existing CW First Aid for most of the body, and Ironhide for the waist to swap out. Those might be slightly expensive now, but quite a bit less expensive and easier than finding a White Ratchet, and especially that Alt head. You'd only be missing the translucent blue HFG, and weapon, which to me, aren't really essential.
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2167167)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 20th, 2023 @ 1:35pm CDT
:-? I just may have to go the custom route for some of my planned Combiners. Aside from Galvatronus, I have an idea based on that Korean bootleg of G1 Inferno, but I have no idea who to put in his team with Alpha Bravo, Rook , maybe an alternate Streetwise...
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2167203)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 21st, 2023 @ 6:22am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote::-? I just may have to go the custom route for some of my planned Combiners. Aside from Galvatronus, I have an idea based on that Korean bootleg of G1 Inferno, but I have no idea who to put in his team with Alpha Bravo, Rook , maybe an alternate Streetwise...

My Infernocus (Inferno combiner) uses Smokescreen as the right arm man, a 2nd Rook for the left arm, and then deluxe Groove and a 2nd Air Raid for legs. Rook and Air Raid were 2 of my favorites, Groove was not replacing Rook on Defensor, and Smokescreen/Inferno just made sense with their relationships in some media
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2167225)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 21st, 2023 @ 9:00am CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote::-? I just may have to go the custom route for some of my planned Combiners. Aside from Galvatronus, I have an idea based on that Korean bootleg of G1 Inferno, but I have no idea who to put in his team with Alpha Bravo, Rook , maybe an alternate Streetwise...

My Infernocus (Inferno combiner) uses Smokescreen as the right arm man, a 2nd Rook for the left arm, and then deluxe Groove and a 2nd Air Raid for legs. Rook and Air Raid were 2 of my favorites, Groove was not replacing Rook on Defensor, and Smokescreen/Inferno just made sense with their relationships in some media
My Inferno combiner has Wreck-Gar and Red Swoop as the arms, and both Jazz and Ricochet as the legs.
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2167227)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 21st, 2023 @ 9:04am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote::-? I just may have to go the custom route for some of my planned Combiners. Aside from Galvatronus, I have an idea based on that Korean bootleg of G1 Inferno, but I have no idea who to put in his team with Alpha Bravo, Rook , maybe an alternate Streetwise...

My Infernocus (Inferno combiner) uses Smokescreen as the right arm man, a 2nd Rook for the left arm, and then deluxe Groove and a 2nd Air Raid for legs. Rook and Air Raid were 2 of my favorites, Groove was not replacing Rook on Defensor, and Smokescreen/Inferno just made sense with their relationships in some media
My Inferno combiner has Wreck-Gar and Red Swoop as the arms, and both Jazz and Ricochet as the legs.

for me, Wreck-gar and Jazz ended up on Sky Reign, Red Swoop is on Magnaboss, and Ricochet is on Lost Lightatron.
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2167238)
Posted by o.supreme on August 21st, 2023 @ 2:39pm CDT
My Inferno Combiner is the same as Sabre. I just have Adventure Overdrive as the chest plate as well.
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2167239)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 21st, 2023 @ 3:17pm CDT
Here's where a lot of my combiners stand. There are a few scattered around elsewhere too

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Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2174031)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 3rd, 2023 @ 7:48pm CST
Got another old CW limb a couple weeks back, I got G2 Air Raid to go on Sky Reign so PotP Wreck Gar could go to the junkions. I think he compliments Sky Reign very well

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Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2174035)
Posted by DeathReviews on December 3rd, 2023 @ 7:53pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Got another old CW limb a couple weeks back, I got G2 Air Raid to go on Sky Reign so PotP Wreck Gar could go to the junkions. I think he compliments Sky Reign very well....


Nice! One of the redeeming things about the CW combiners is that you can at least try to color coordinate them and mix the figures for some symmetry in their appearance. I went for symmetry over color with Rook and Hound on Sky Reign's arms, with Ironhide and Trailbreaker on the legs...
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2178797)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 7th, 2024 @ 11:32am CDT
So, I have some thinking to do.

I managed to secure a TFCC Counterpunch of Transformerland for $45 this week. Which now that I have him, i am trying to think about whether or not to attach him to a combiner, which would require some more new figures.

Right now, I have 3 limbs and 1 torso that are by themselves. Wreck Gar came off Sky Reign and stands with the junkions, which is also where I'd prefer him to stay. Dead End currently stands on the Cyberverse shelf, and he's a favorite by himself, so I would also prefer to keep him by himself. Inferno is on the Lost Light shelf, and i would prefer to keep him separate too, as i do have a 2nd Inferno, but he is the core of Infernocus, with Smokescreen, Groove, and my 2nd of both Rook and Air Raid.

So, Counterpunch is sort of the only figure I would like to combine, but he can also stand alone on the Decepticon or Wreckers shelf, so I need to think about that too.

i would like to complete his combiner, but not for the $350-500 per pair they are going for.

I do also have another bone to throw: I have a buddy who saved a CW Quickslinger for me, so I will have him too. I was thinking about swapping Quickslinger onto Battle Core Maximus, so BCM is entirely white, and then Overbite can pair up with Counterpunch to start a new combiner as well.

Also also, I don't have a retail Scattershot, so i could get him to form a new torso as Betatron, with those 2 as his first of 4 limbs.

Any ideas/thoughts?

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Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2179111)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 14th, 2024 @ 8:19pm CDT
Dead End is a stand-in until I secure the last bot, but I give you my version of Betatron

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Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2179136)
Posted by o.supreme on April 15th, 2024 @ 2:32pm CDT
Nice Mix ;)^ . Its definitely crazy to see. With the prospect of New Combiners, i have no idea what will happen in the secondary market, since these demand a pretty hefty price tag now. I imagine exclusives will retain their value, since never again will we probably see a deluxe/voyager scale Volcanicus. etc...

I guess the only one to observe right now is Menasor. Since Legacy Stunticons came out, are prices for CW/UW ones tanking, or remaining the same?

As for me, I fortunately found a use for all 3 releases of Scattershot.

UW Computon is my "Genuine" Computron
CW Computron, is my "Betatron".

and the retail release Scattershot I used for Modulus, which also is a "type-of" Betatron

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Modulus#Toys
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2179180)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 16th, 2024 @ 1:35pm CDT
I really did think about Modulus, I like the name more, but Modulus has a specific limb configuration, whereas Betatron is random.

It's a quirk I have with some combiners and their names. That is why Lost Lightatron is not Galvatronus, why Infernocus is named the way he is, and why Battle Core Maximus is also named the way he is.

Funny enough, I do not use Ultra Prime. red Prime is Optimus Maximus (to match the comics and Earth Wars) while Battle Core is just a cooler name to me
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2179183)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 16th, 2024 @ 1:46pm CDT
My Modulus uses retail Scattershot, TFSS SG Starscream, a stickered-but-unpainted custom class Ratchet, Rook, and a stickered TFSS Bluestreak in lieu of custom class Medix since I'm fully content with the Walgreens Legacy Medix to represent that character and have no chance of acquiring the custom class one now (had a chance to get an unpainted one back one of the RoboCons, but missed that chance due to poor timing on my part and prioritizing other things at the time).

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Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2179187)
Posted by o.supreme on April 16th, 2024 @ 2:32pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:... why Infernocus is named the way he is.....


I'm funny about names as well. While Hasbro did eventually reveal "Othria" as the proper name for the all-female combiner in PotP (as opposed to the random "Elita-Infin1te")

There was no proper combined names for Starscream or Inferno. I just call them "Grand Starscream" and "Infernac" (I was TM saving the name before Hasbro was ;) )

I use the UW configuration for "Grand Convoy", but it works as Ultra Prime as well.

I "fan canon" my White Prime for Optimus Maximus as Ultra Magnus along with the limbs Alpha Bravo, Smokescreen, G2 Ratchet, and Marvel Comics Ratchet (the last one needed to be obtained to complete this combiner)
Re: Mock Up Found for Cancelled Combiner Wars Technobot Ironclad (2179204)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 17th, 2024 @ 8:04am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:My Modulus uses retail Scattershot, TFSS SG Starscream, a stickered-but-unpainted custom class Ratchet, Rook, and a stickered TFSS Bluestreak in lieu of custom class Medix since I'm fully content with the Walgreens Legacy Medix to represent that character and have no chance of acquiring the custom class one now (had a chance to get an unpainted one back one of the RoboCons, but missed that chance due to poor timing on my part and prioritizing other things at the time).

My SG Starscream is a limb on Battle Core Maximus, along with UW Ratchet, Tigatron, and Overbite.

I could make Battle Core Maximus all white once my Slingshot arrives, but I like the story of how Overbite became part of the combiner, and I love that Battle Core Maximus uses components from 5 different (technical) lines of release (CW, UW, TFCC, Selects, Botcon).

I got super lucky with Counterpunch, Ruckus, and Windsweeper, and looking at current prices, I will never get the rest of either combiner. So I like them joining up as is, with a story in my head for them as well.

All my personal combiners get stories as to why they are together. makes it more fun
o.supreme wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:... why Infernocus is named the way he is.....


I'm funny about names as well. While Hasbro did eventually reveal "Othria" as the proper name for the all-female combiner in PotP (as opposed to the random "Elita-Infin1te")

There was no proper combined names for Starscream or Inferno. I just call them "Grand Starscream" and "Infernac" (I was TM saving the name before Hasbro was ;) )

I use the UW configuration for "Grand Convoy", but it works as Ultra Prime as well.

I "fan canon" my White Prime for Optimus Maximus as Ultra Magnus along with the limbs Alpha Bravo, Smokescreen, G2 Ratchet, and Marvel Comics Ratchet (the last one needed to be obtained to complete this combiner)

I use Orthia as well, just makes for a better name.

I call Starscream "Megascream" after that Deviations comic, even though it was terrible.

Infernocus is just such a cool name, I thought it worked for Inferno.

I have tried to think of a better name for Lost Lightatron, but never have had the idea truly click, and he has had the name now for 8 years, so he's keeping it.

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