New Transformers: The Last Knight Concept Art Featuring Stadium, Samurai Knight, Cybertron

Budder Prime wrote:I see the Samurai and all I can think of is Bludgeon.

I was thinking older, more beat up Drift, but I can totally see Bludgeon too!

That "arena" is part of the interior of the Guardian Knights' ship. That Optimus and Megatron were shown fighting each other there in another art piece suggests that their brief fight on top of the ship in the movie may have originally been set inside the ship instead.

Watching the opening again, i realised the red knight isn't part of dragonstorm. He's still talking to merlin and hands him th staff after dragonstorm is already airborne. Maybe he really is scorn who later was captured by lockdown?

Awesome analysis of the designs, Deadput! That was really cool to read where each design came from and where it went (and/or didn't go) in the movie proper

Insurgent wrote:Watching the opening again, i realised the red knight isn't part of dragonstorm. He's still talking to merlin and hands him th staff after dragonstorm is already airborne. Maybe he really is scorn who later was captured by lockdown?

I mean speaking from a rational point of view, in terms of the intent of the movie itself, he's just a generic character who was never intended to be anyone or ever appear or matter again. Outside of that and especially from a toy design perspective, I can definitely see him inspiring/being inspired by Scorn, particularly the new Voyager toy. Check it (embedding this again for the second time in three posts, sure why not):


Those shoulders seem pretty distinctly Scorn-like to me, I can see where the wide semi-rectangular chest became/came from Scorn's toy(s), the hip-armor is very similar in general design, long pointy crotch-armor, general shape of the calves and the pointy-toed boots (albeit not pointing upward like Scorn's). I could even see where those pointy bits on either side of the helmet's chin could've become Voyager Scorn's weird dumb Kronk chin.

Personally what I think is most likely, is the following: Hasbro wanted to make a toy of the red knight because they thought it'd be somewhat marketable (and let's be honest, if they decided to make multiple Berserker toys but nothing of say, Onslaught, they're not exactly basing their decisions on screentime here). They didn't have an altmode or really anything definite so they noticed the concept art's similarities to Scorn, decided that'd work, slapped some dino kibble on the concept-art guy, gave him a half-melted version of Scorn's head and called it a day. Makes more sense than Scorn getting a Voyager-class toy for literally no reason, especially one that's still red when all the other Dinobot toys were toned-down silvers, browns and blues.

But hey what do I know, I'm just some guy with too much spare time to overthink things and way too many toys

Insurgent wrote:Yes, I can totally see Red Knight being a Pre-Dino Scorn. Thank you for putting in words what I was seeing, with the design cues. And we don't know when he got his dino mode. Yes, he is intended to be generic Red Knight and nothing more, but sometimes, it's fun to make theories up about random stuff. After all, why else would we be on a discussion forum?

Totally agreed - discussion is the root of all... something. Knowledge? Entertainment? I really should've planned my pithy saying in advance...

(I'm also probably gonna headcanon red-knight-dudeman as Scorn even if it doesn't quite make sense, 'cause I like the idea and hell, the movies themselves don't always make a lotta sense either )

It does make sense!

That's why we didn't see him in the Junkyard! After he escaped Lockdown's ship, he decided to bugger off and find his knightly bretherin. And knowing where Merlin's tomb was, he went off to investigate and when he got there, formatted himself back to his non dino mode. And went into slumber so he could honour his brothers in arms by staying by their side.


Grimlock never got on with his other knights and didn't care, so stayed behind with Cade because free food. Slug went off to tour the world with Strafe but they had a lovers tiff over the true parentage of the baby dinobots and split up. Slug was making his way back to the Junkyard when the Decepticons attacked. That's why he randomly appeared briefly there, but he didn't know where everyone ran off to, as the town trap was established after they left. So he just went to the junkyard and hung out with Trench for the rest of the film. Strafe heard good things about Isla Nublar so flew off to see what that place was like.



This is why I don't talk much on these forums lately. Everyone seems to be taking this hobby far too seriously. So I'm putting some of the silly fun back in.

became a titan with his own individual dino mode and lost his arm before shrinking down and completely changing armor before going to slumber in the underwater ship with the Iacon knights instead of waking up his comrades then waking up and trying to kill optimus even though he fought with him before?

Size change = mass shifting. It's a thing that happens in this franchise.

Missing arm = nope. Just his dino kibble turned his arm into his tail lance, like BW Megatron. We just never saw him take his lance off in the film.

Slumber = He wanted to honour them and help them protect Merlin. So no, he didn't wake them up.


Optimus = Optimus came back and betrayed them. So yes, he saw that as a betrayal and now tried to kill him. Just like Grimlock fough against him, then with him. People can easily be fighting with someone and then a few years later, fight against them because they see them as betraying them. Especially when Prime turned up and killed knights.

AOE destroyed that though with Evasion Mode optimus. Same robot height but flat nose. And Lockdown. Car alt mode, robot mode same height as Optimus. Sure there were some other things the movies weer avoiding that AOE went and did. I remember coming out of the film thinking "Well, all the rules they were trying to avoid, they've just thrown out the window."

Deadput wrote:So your saying that Scorn started out as the knight of Iacon leader that formed Dragonstorm then hooked up with Grimlock and became a titan with his own individual dino mode and lost his arm before shrinking down and completely changing armor before going to slumber in the underwater ship with the Iacon knights instead of waking up his comrades then waking up and trying to kill optimus even though he fought with him before?

Pretty much, yep.

It's not like I'm saying it makes perfect sense or anything; heck, it's hardly based on anything aside from a few superficial design similarities and my own sense of fun. I can't speak for Insurgent necessarily, but I'm not proposing a genuine theory, more like having some fun with a very tenuous character connection.

Deadput wrote:Not only does this not make sense its impossible in canon.

Many things are impossible in canon, including but not limited to:

- Bumblebee being unable to speak despite having his voicebox repaired in the first movie (and then subsequently being able to speak later in the film despite having earlier ripped his own voicebox out)
- Starscream's head turning up, intact, 530 miles from the site of his death-by-exploding-head
- The Transformers being created by Quintessa as opposed to the work of the Allspark Cube
- Barricade being alive

And that's just in this movie alone. I think, in light of all this, that we can make some allowances for having a bit of fun.

Insurgent wrote:Barricade being alive is not an issue. We saw his eyes and feet explode in DOTM, but never saw him die. And his eyes getting shot out makes sense for why now he has 4 eyes. Backup eyes!

Barricade's always had four eyes, but it could explain why he has two blue eyes in TLK besides being a police light bar homage. Looking at that scene Barricade only gets shot twice so maybe he was only half blind and still had two optics left.

Insurgent wrote:Oh I assure you my tongue is firmly in cheek. I'm just in a daft mood and want some fun. The initial post was a 'Wouldn't it be fun if' theory, not a full on serious theory. Red Knight not forming Dragonstorm was the only super serious part of my post. As I said, folks have been taking this stuff far too seriously lately.


The fact my rambling ends with Strafe going off to Jurrasic Park should be a giveaway. Hahaha. Anyway, I've made a thread for such sillyness.


Barricade being alive is not an issue. We saw his eyes and feet explode in DOTM, but never saw him die. And his eyes getting shot out makes sense for why now he has 4 eyes. Backup eyes!


Starscream's head turning up miles away isn't an issue. It's how it got fixed. We saw scrap is being scavanged, it's not unreasonable to assume someone recovered it and took it away, and Daytrader aquired it from that person. After all, Sentinel and Megatron's heads were recovered.


Lockdown made comments about the allspark thing. He asked Prime "You think you were born? You were bult! And your creator wants you back."

I just assume Quintessa used the Allspark to create Cybertron and give birth to Transformers. But in the eons since, Quintessa was lost to legend, but the Allspark remaind as that was a physical object and the Transformers started believing they were just born of the Allspark.

And now the Allspark is gone, Quintessa can't rebuild Cybertron properly, which is why it looks like melted cheese stretched between too much toast.

mmm...i'm hungry for melted cheese on toast now