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Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden

Transformers News: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden

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Greetings Seibertronians! It's not just HasLabs Unicron that's been feeling the love from the Transformers Generations 2020 book (recently published in Japan), as there's also an interview with three Takara Designers (Mitsuhito Ohno, Hisashi Yuki and Daisuke Onohara) and one of the things they discuss is the recently announced MP Raiden project!

Transformers News: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden

Caption next to small picture of Raiden apparently reads:
New information on the Raiden project is now available at the Special Exhibition Tenku no Railroad Story at the Mori Arts Center Gallery & Sky Gallery in Roppongi Hills Mori Tower.


The main details are that the toy will indeed be part of the Masterpiece line, making this the first Combiner to feature in all the years the Masterpiece line has been running. It has been said that the designers want the alt mode to satisfy even "train" people, meaning railway enthusiastics. This will probably be along the lines of realistic alt modes.

The translation below has been machine translated for the most with some tweaks done to aid grammar. Have a read and let us know what you think.

Beyond the 35th Anniversary, Toward 2020
Mitsuhito Ohno, Hisashi Yuki and Daisuke Onohara

-Let's open with thoughts on 2019 as we look back.

Ohno: After all, “Bumblebee” was big. The movie itself was very appealing to the G1 design, fans of the past were happy and I think the general public enjoyed that it looked like this (different from previous movies). I also enjoyed it personally.
Onohara: For marketing purposes, it was very good that the movie had all-ages content that could be enjoyed by children and family.
Yuki: It was a good movie that allowed you to use your characters carefully. Thanks to “Bumblebee”, I think that there will be a chance to create new types of video works in the future.
Ohno: The possibilities have expanded, and expectations for the next movie are increasing as soon as possible. Another thing that impressed me personally was that Unicron was established, and I can't tell you the exact date, but in 2021, it will reach my Japanese lol. I'm most impressed by how [much space will be needed] to place it at home, so be prepared now (laughs)

-Ohno, you can order a large number of items in Japan, thank you so much. How about the new anime “Cyberverse”?

Onohara: It was a new challenge, but I recently exhibited at the Tokyo Motor Show [and observed] there are quite a lot of children who come close to Cyberverse.
Ohno: It’s an advantage that you can watch it many times.
Onohara: This is an anime that asks Miwa Iwano for sound this time, so that various people can enjoy various ways to enjoy it. The number of viewers is also increasing because of the increased activity of major characters in Season 2.
Ohno: Toys are also good products. It ’s very interesting. First of all, it is a toy that is interesting to play with. Since it has a toy-like gimmick, I'd like you to play with it as a toy.
Yuki: In conjunction with Hasbro's “Generations Selects” in the United States, we started out in the form of trying to select characters that would not be featured in their lineup or regular “Generations”. With Legends, I was able to put it up to Dai Atlas, and I thought it would be Star Convoy the next time. I want to [make challenging] Japanese characters in the future. A large item called King Poseidon also appeared. Fortunately, the idea of the development was that I thought it was a little ... that the combiner would define it, and that the [sixth] last scrambled unit would not come out. I want [to satisfy] the fans that have collected so far, so I wanted to meet that honest hope and commercialized it.

-As a high target item, how was the Masterpiece brand in 2019?

Ohno: I am also a member, but now Masterpiece is a development system with project members. Yuuki Oshima, who draws design sketches and gives ideas to TF fans, is one of the important members.
Onohara: We were able to release Convoy Version 3 and Bumble Version 2 for the 35th anniversary. Fortunately, Masterpiece started at the 20th anniversary, so when the series reaches its 40th anniversary in 5 years, then Masterpiece will reach its 20th anniversary. Then there will have been Masterpiece for half of the Transformers' history. Because it has progressed with a good feeling for such a long time, it seems that it has a product specification that can withstand such upgrades.
Ohno: Even if you have the same character, it's all right, so I would like to put out an evolution by changing the specifications. Minibots are almost untouched, and there are many things that can be done.

-You collaborated vigorously.

Onohara: I think the most important purpose of collaboration is to create opportunities that people who once knew the Transformers brand and those who knew it were able to feel “what is interesting”.
Yuki: Thanks to movies and so on for the past few years, it seems that collaboration has become more eager.
Ohno: You may be able to say that you can now truly collaborate.
Onohara: There was also a second G-SHOCK and an amazing collaboration with BUMP OF CHICKEN was also realized rapidly.
Ohno: A woman at a live venue wears a t-shirt with Bumblebee. I saw it and it was tremendous.

- Finally, please tell us about 2020.

Onohara: First of all, it's not the end of the 35th anniversary, but in February we will carry out the “Transformers Examination”. Especially for the intermediate level, it will be a good test of your skill, so I would like you to challenge it. After that, Netflix's new animation will be distributed in Japan. Fortunately, there’s no movie, so it feels like it ’s normal (laughs). We are also preparing new works for “Generations Selects”, so please be patient.

- What was the recently announced “Raiden Project”?

Onohara: Isn't everyone thinking "No way !?" This time, we decided to officially produce Raiden for Masterpiece. I don't know the release date yet.
Ohno: I want to use vehicle mode that will satisfy even the “Train” people.
Yuki: We are very much looking forward to Mr. Ohno joining the project. Masterpieces were handled by young people so far, so there weren't many patterns to make together with your own toys.
Ohno: That's right, you're going to recreate the Raiden that you did with yourself. I have to do my best.
Yuki: You can do many things that you couldn't do at that time (laughs).
Onohara: In this way, veterans make wonderful items, so I would like to deliver them firmly to everyone.

PROFILE
Mitsuhito Ohno joined Takara in 1980. Involved in development from the beginning of "Transformers" through "Microman" and "Diaclone". In 2010, he was selected for the Hall of Fame. Currently participating in the Masterpiece Project as a fellow.

Hisashi Yuki joined Takara in 1992. Participated in the Transformers team since “Beast Wars II”. In addition to developing products for domestic and overseas, he is responsible for the localization of “Cyberverse” [as well as the] planning and development of the Japanese version of “Generations Select”.

Daisuke Onohara joined Takara Tomy in 2006. Transformers Marketing, collaboration and events planning. In Transformers Cyberverse, he is one of the producers.


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Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046899)
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on December 13th, 2019 @ 3:17pm CST
This just makes me cry. :-( It'll probably cost around $400, and I just can't do that crap :BOOM:

'Til all are one! :BH-PREDACON:
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046903)
Posted by sol magnus on December 13th, 2019 @ 3:34pm CST
Raiden is fine and all that, but this kind of stuck out -

Ohno: Even if you have the same character, it's all right, so I would like to put out an evolution by changing the specifications. Minibots are almost untouched, and there are many things that can be done.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046904)
Posted by Flashwave on December 13th, 2019 @ 3:35pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Greetings Seibertronians! It's not just HasLabs Unicron that's been feeling the love from the Transformers Generations 2020 book (recently published in Japan), as there's also an interview with three Takara Designers (Mitsuhito Ohno, Hisashi Yuki and Daisuke Onohara) and one of the things they discuss is the recently announced MP Raiden project!

Image

Caption next to small picture of Raiden apparently reads:
New information on the Raiden project is now available at the Special Exhibition Tenku no Railroad Story at the Mori Arts Center Gallery & Sky Gallery in Roppongi Hills Mori Tower.


The main details are that the toy will indeed be part of the Masterpiece line, making this the first Combiner to feature in all the years the Masterpiece line has been running. It has been said that the designers want the alt mode to satisfy even "train" people, meaning railway enthusiastics. This will probably be along the lines of realistic alt modes.

The translation below has been machine translated for the most with some tweaks done to aid grammar. Have a read and let us know what you think.

Beyond the 35th Anniversary, Toward 2020
Mitsuhito Ohno, Hisashi Yuki and Daisuke Onohara

-Let's open with thoughts on 2019 as we look back.

Ohno: After all, “Bumblebee” was big. The movie itself was very appealing to the G1 design, fans of the past were happy and I think the general public enjoyed that it looked like this (different from previous movies). I also enjoyed it personally.
Onohara: For marketing purposes, it was very good that the movie had all-ages content that could be enjoyed by children and family.
Yuki: It was a good movie that allowed you to use your characters carefully. Thanks to “Bumblebee”, I think that there will be a chance to create new types of video works in the future.
Ohno: The possibilities have expanded, and expectations for the next movie are increasing as soon as possible. Another thing that impressed me personally was that Unicron was established, and I can't tell you the exact date, but in 2021, it will reach my Japanese lol. I'm most impressed by how [much space will be needed] to place it at home, so be prepared now (laughs)

-Ohno, you can order a large number of items in Japan, thank you so much. How about the new anime “Cyberverse”?

Onohara: It was a new challenge, but I recently exhibited at the Tokyo Motor Show [and observed] there are quite a lot of children who come close to Cyberverse.
Ohno: It’s an advantage that you can watch it many times.
Onohara: This is an anime that asks Miwa Iwano for sound this time, so that various people can enjoy various ways to enjoy it. The number of viewers is also increasing because of the increased activity of major characters in Season 2.
Ohno: Toys are also good products. It ’s very interesting. First of all, it is a toy that is interesting to play with. Since it has a toy-like gimmick, I'd like you to play with it as a toy.
Yuki: In conjunction with Hasbro's “Generations Selects” in the United States, we started out in the form of trying to select characters that would not be featured in their lineup or regular “Generations”. With Legends, I was able to put it up to Dai Atlas, and I thought it would be Star Convoy the next time. I want to [make challenging] Japanese characters in the future. A large item called King Poseidon also appeared. Fortunately, the idea of the development was that I thought it was a little ... that the combiner would define it, and that the [sixth] last scrambled unit would not come out. I want [to satisfy] the fans that have collected so far, so I wanted to meet that honest hope and commercialized it.

-As a high target item, how was the Masterpiece brand in 2019?

Ohno: I am also a member, but now Masterpiece is a development system with project members. Yuuki Oshima, who draws design sketches and gives ideas to TF fans, is one of the important members.
Onohara: We were able to release Convoy Version 3 and Bumble Version 2 for the 35th anniversary. Fortunately, Masterpiece started at the 20th anniversary, so when the series reaches its 40th anniversary in 5 years, then Masterpiece will reach its 20th anniversary. Then there will have been Masterpiece for half of the Transformers' history. Because it has progressed with a good feeling for such a long time, it seems that it has a product specification that can withstand such upgrades.
Ohno: Even if you have the same character, it's all right, so I would like to put out an evolution by changing the specifications. Minibots are almost untouched, and there are many things that can be done.

-You collaborated vigorously.

Onohara: I think the most important purpose of collaboration is to create opportunities that people who once knew the Transformers brand and those who knew it were able to feel “what is interesting”.
Yuki: Thanks to movies and so on for the past few years, it seems that collaboration has become more eager.
Ohno: You may be able to say that you can now truly collaborate.
Onohara: There was also a second G-SHOCK and an amazing collaboration with BUMP OF CHICKEN was also realized rapidly.
Ohno: A woman at a live venue wears a t-shirt with Bumblebee. I saw it and it was tremendous.

- Finally, please tell us about 2020.

Onohara: First of all, it's not the end of the 35th anniversary, but in February we will carry out the “Transformers Examination”. Especially for the intermediate level, it will be a good test of your skill, so I would like you to challenge it. After that, Netflix's new animation will be distributed in Japan. Fortunately, there’s no movie, so it feels like it ’s normal (laughs). We are also preparing new works for “Generations Selects”, so please be patient.

- What was the recently announced “Raiden Project”?

Onohara: Isn't everyone thinking "No way !?" This time, we decided to officially produce Raiden for Masterpiece. I don't know the release date yet.
Ohno: I want to use vehicle mode that will satisfy even the “Train” people.
Yuki: We are very much looking forward to Mr. Ohno joining the project. Masterpieces were handled by young people so far, so there weren't many patterns to make together with your own toys.
Ohno: That's right, you're going to recreate the Raiden that you did with yourself. I have to do my best.
Yuki: You can do many things that you couldn't do at that time (laughs).
Onohara: In this way, veterans make wonderful items, so I would like to deliver them firmly to everyone.

PROFILE
Mitsuhito Ohno joined Takara in 1980. Involved in development from the beginning of "Transformers" through "Microman" and "Diaclone". In 2010, he was selected for the Hall of Fame. Currently participating in the Masterpiece Project as a fellow.

Hisashi Yuki joined Takara in 1992. Participated in the Transformers team since “Beast Wars II”. In addition to developing products for domestic and overseas, he is responsible for the localization of “Cyberverse” [as well as the] planning and development of the Japanese version of “Generations Select”.

Daisuke Onohara joined Takara Tomy in 2006. Transformers Marketing, collaboration and events planning. In Transformers Cyberverse, he is one of the producers.


What do you think of this? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

I think this sounds more and more prohibitively expensive with each news article. And I want one :shock: :-(
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046909)
Posted by mesh on December 13th, 2019 @ 4:45pm CST
i'm late to this conversation.......but seeing how much unicron is priced and the price hikes to the MP line....this combiner WILL NOT BE LESS THAN $500 US.
Moreover, Raiden never made here to North America so I have absolutely no clue who this guy is. Sure I saw the Youtube vids but that's not enough for me to fall in love with the character to even want one on the shelf.
At this point the MP line has lost me. I forced myself to buy the MP44 and what a mistake. Great figure but I'm still going to say that it should've been less expensive. Amazon Japan came in handy on that fig.

I don't know.......I'm not sold on this character. I'm sure it will look great and appeal to fans. The appeal might be enough for some fans to fork over the money regardless.

For me, the amount of money required to buy a MP fig is now just ridiculous. Case in point, MP Bumblebee 2.0. That thing should not be more than $70 US.

I've been collecting since the 80's and I can truly say that the collecting game has gotten pricey but this is now insane.

oh well, still fun to watch.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046914)
Posted by Burn on December 13th, 2019 @ 5:47pm CST
mesh wrote:I'm sure it will look great and appeal to fans.

And that's just it. This is aimed squarely at the Japanese fans.

Even though they know Masterpiece is a great seller outside of Japan, this project just seems 100% geared solely to Japanese fans and collectors.

And that's fine, there are those outside of Japan who will still grab the set, but if they want to appeal to the Japanese collectors that's their prerogative I guess.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046923)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 13th, 2019 @ 8:14pm CST
Burn wrote:they want to appeal to the Japanese collectors that's their prerogative I guess.


Well, they'd do just that when they finally decide to release MP Victory Leo.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046929)
Posted by ScottyP on December 13th, 2019 @ 10:10pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Burn wrote:they want to appeal to the Japanese collectors that's their prerogative I guess.


Well, they'd do just that when they finally decide to release MP Victory Leo.
All of this appeals to me as someone that just likes cool robots
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046930)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 13th, 2019 @ 10:17pm CST
ScottyP wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Burn wrote:they want to appeal to the Japanese collectors that's their prerogative I guess.


Well, they'd do just that when they finally decide to release MP Victory Leo.
All of this appeals to me as someone that just likes cool robots


It could potentially appeal to me as a fan of railway models. As long as they use the original train models and are compatible with 0, H0 or N gauge.

One word of warning to you all: Raiden will get 2 limb pairs with the same transformation. The arms Seizan and Suiken, and the legs Yukikaze and Getsuei.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046936)
Posted by Evil Eye on December 14th, 2019 @ 6:36am CST
Hmmm. I'm no expert on railway models but if this means that they're not unreasonably large, I might be down for at least one of them.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046944)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 14th, 2019 @ 12:41pm CST
Black Hat wrote:Hmmm. I'm no expert on railway models but if this means that they're not unreasonably large, I might be down for at least one of them.


The most used scales are, from smallest to large:

N, 1:160
HO or H0, 1:87
O or 0, 1:48

There's also S, 1:64 which is half of Alternity or 1:32. Alternators/Binaltech is 1:24, which coincidentally matches G scale for gardens (which means they're really big).
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046949)
Posted by Evil Eye on December 14th, 2019 @ 2:33pm CST
I see! Hmm, I think HO would be the most manageable, but O would be nice for scaling with 1:48 military models, and would probably go best with MPs.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046960)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 14th, 2019 @ 7:40pm CST
I usually kid but I think I'm really going to have to start working a street corner to afford this.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2046965)
Posted by Emerje on December 14th, 2019 @ 10:43pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Hmmm. I'm no expert on railway models but if this means that they're not unreasonably large, I might be down for at least one of them.


The most used scales are, from smallest to large:

N, 1:160
HO or H0, 1:87
O or 0, 1:48

There's also S, 1:64 which is half of Alternity or 1:32. Alternators/Binaltech is 1:24, which coincidentally matches G scale for gardens (which means they're really big).

This being Takara Tomy I'll be rather surprised if they don't use their own proprietary Plarail scale and tracks (same as Shinkalion). On the other hand that scale is probably too small for Masterpiece. Best I can tell their bot modes are roughly the same as Autobot cars Prowl or Sideswipe making them Voyager-ish. Shinkalion figures are around 9", but it takes two engines and a car to get that big, they wouldn't be able to do that with Trainbots.

Image

Then again, the Trainbots are pretty long, maybe they could unfold them into something big enough for MP scale and still have enough parts for combining. It's not like they weren't big square chunky bots on the cartoon already.

I'm really thinking around $700 for the set price. You have to figure each bot is going to be over $100 and there's six of them. After store discounts maybe it'll drop to $550, but probably not by much more than that. I'll get it because I really want to support MP combiners, but I hope Raiden is roughly the same size as Titan Devastator.

Emerje
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2047055)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 15th, 2019 @ 9:17pm CST
really cool to see they are confirmed MP bots for Raiden. He will be super expensive, but I am ready to play that long haul expensive game. I want this. The idea of it is fantastic
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2047134)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 16th, 2019 @ 8:27pm CST
Emerje wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Hmmm. I'm no expert on railway models but if this means that they're not unreasonably large, I might be down for at least one of them.


The most used scales are, from smallest to large:

N, 1:160
HO or H0, 1:87
O or 0, 1:48

There's also S, 1:64 which is half of Alternity or 1:32. Alternators/Binaltech is 1:24, which coincidentally matches G scale for gardens (which means they're really big).

This being Takara Tomy I'll be rather surprised if they don't use their own proprietary Plarail scale and tracks (same as Shinkalion). On the other hand that scale is probably too small for Masterpiece. Best I can tell their bot modes are roughly the same as Autobot cars Prowl or Sideswipe making them Voyager-ish. Shinkalion figures are around 9", but it takes two engines and a car to get that big, they wouldn't be able to do that with Trainbots.

Image

Then again, the Trainbots are pretty long, maybe they could unfold them into something big enough for MP scale and still have enough parts for combining. It's not like they weren't big square chunky bots on the cartoon already.

I'm really thinking around $700 for the set price. You have to figure each bot is going to be over $100 and there's six of them. After store discounts maybe it'll drop to $550, but probably not by much more than that. I'll get it because I really want to support MP combiners, but I hope Raiden is roughly the same size as Titan Devastator.

Emerje


Wasn't there a lot of parts forming to the trains and to form Raiden? That might help keep the cost downish.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2047138)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 16th, 2019 @ 8:48pm CST
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Emerje wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Black Hat wrote:Hmmm. I'm no expert on railway models but if this means that they're not unreasonably large, I might be down for at least one of them.


The most used scales are, from smallest to large:

N, 1:160
HO or H0, 1:87
O or 0, 1:48

There's also S, 1:64 which is half of Alternity or 1:32. Alternators/Binaltech is 1:24, which coincidentally matches G scale for gardens (which means they're really big).

This being Takara Tomy I'll be rather surprised if they don't use their own proprietary Plarail scale and tracks (same as Shinkalion). On the other hand that scale is probably too small for Masterpiece. Best I can tell their bot modes are roughly the same as Autobot cars Prowl or Sideswipe making them Voyager-ish. Shinkalion figures are around 9", but it takes two engines and a car to get that big, they wouldn't be able to do that with Trainbots.

Image

Then again, the Trainbots are pretty long, maybe they could unfold them into something big enough for MP scale and still have enough parts for combining. It's not like they weren't big square chunky bots on the cartoon already.

I'm really thinking around $700 for the set price. You have to figure each bot is going to be over $100 and there's six of them. After store discounts maybe it'll drop to $550, but probably not by much more than that. I'll get it because I really want to support MP combiners, but I hope Raiden is roughly the same size as Titan Devastator.

Emerje


Wasn't there a lot of parts forming to the trains and to form Raiden? That might help keep the cost downish.


Just one detached part per figure:

Torso
Shouki: the front end forms the chest and head mount in Combined Mode with a separate piece
Kaen: the front engine forms the head

Arms
Seizan & Suiken: their fronts open up and form fillers for the abdominal area

Legs
Getsuei & Yukikaze: their fronts form the feet.

Overall, with the parts detached, they're all symmetrical blocks, plus as mentioned before the arm and leg bots share transformation.
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Posted by Nemesis Destron on December 16th, 2019 @ 10:09pm CST
I hope with all this excitement Raiden is generating with most that :TAKARATOMY: / :HASBRO: decide to release a new mold of Rail Racer/JRX in the wake of this train TF. :PRAY: :VEHI:
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Posted by triKlops on December 21st, 2019 @ 12:55pm CST
Interesting video to cross reference Transformers branding and functionality within the train model world.

https://youtu.be/yLUrcTmEUhg
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Posted by william-james88 on August 16th, 2021 @ 8:53am CDT
Even though we have heard very little from Takara's Transformers Masterpiece Raiden project, we knew it was still underway. And now we have what I hope is further proof at it's ongoing development. An image surface on Baidu showing one component of the train combiner. This train bot is Shouki and it looks a lot like the image Takara had shown us of Shouki in the generations book. So, there is a good chance what we are seeing below is our first look at part of MP Raiden. This is a test shot of course so it won't look like this in the final deco.

You'll let us know what you think.

Image

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Posted by Sabrblade on August 16th, 2021 @ 9:09am CDT
FINALLY!

Can't tell how big he is, though.
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Posted by o.supreme on August 16th, 2021 @ 9:14am CDT
With all of the name reveals we've been getting for Legacy/2022. I thought to myself "I might not be getting any Transformers next year"...then I am reminded of this, all things happen for a purpose. Even if nothing in the mainline interests me, at least I can rest assured I'll hopefully be able to get Raiden. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Posted by optimeow on August 16th, 2021 @ 9:38am CDT
Highly detailed. That's good.

But the highly possible hole in my pocket. That's no good.

Considering the price of UW Devastator a few years ago, MP Raiden can easily be double the price of that.
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Posted by o.supreme on August 16th, 2021 @ 9:44am CDT
CW Dev was $150 USD in 2015, UW Dev was roughly the same price, although because of imports and some of the added details it came with, most folks were paying around $200 when it came out in the end of 2015. It hasn't been confirmed if the components will be sold separately, or as a set? But f we could get the whole thing for around $400, I'd be ok. Sadly, that would also not be the most expensive combiner I have purchased in recent years. $60-$70 each though, a few months apart would defintely be easier on the budget for sure.
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Posted by Stormshot_Prime on August 16th, 2021 @ 10:42am CDT
God help us if these guys are in scale with the rest of the MP Line....
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Posted by Flashwave on August 16th, 2021 @ 10:50am CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:God help us if these guys are in scale with the rest of the MP Line....


I don't think these will be. Hudt comparing to the crack in the floor and assuming that is roughly standard, Shouki's train mode looks to he roughly HO Model Train Scale (1:87) ehich will put him as roughly 12" long. But I am also unsure of how they got such a wide bot out of such a narrow alt mode.
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Posted by william-james88 on August 16th, 2021 @ 11:50am CDT
optimeow wrote:Highly detailed. That's good.

But the highly possible hole in my pocket. That's no good.

Considering the price of UW Devastator a few years ago, MP Raiden can easily be double the price of that.


Will be more than double, closer to triple. This would be a $500-$600 combiner.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113262)
Posted by First-Aid on August 16th, 2021 @ 2:57pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:But I am also unsure of how they got such a wide bot out of such a narrow alt mode.


Think Mudflap from TF: Cybertron...very long vehicle mode, but sturdy, wide robot mode. I think the shoulders run parallel to the length of the train mode and his legs do the splits.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113267)
Posted by Emerje on August 16th, 2021 @ 5:15pm CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:God help us if these guys are in scale with the rest of the MP Line....

The bot mode will be (which isn't any bigger than the Headmasters in the cartoon), it's Masterpiece after all. But just like the Seekers the alt mode will not be.

His transformation is very simple and to the point. Basically the arms go over his head, backpack goes above arms to make the front, legs push together, feet form the back. It's his ability to combine that makes him look so complicated and because of that the price will probably be closer to Arcee than Skids.

Emerje
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113268)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 16th, 2021 @ 5:20pm CDT
The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.

The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113272)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 16th, 2021 @ 6:08pm CDT
Based on the fact that Shouki (and the other Trainbots) are around Rodimus Convoy's height in The Headmasters [source],his figure should be anywhere between shoulder height to being nearly as tall as MP-9 Rodimus Convoy. :-?

So if anybody has both that figure (MP-10 Convoy V2 and MP-44 Convoy V3 should work too) and either "Titan Class" version of Devastator, I suggest that you scale those figures next to each other. This should give you (and probably us as well) a good idea on how tall his figure alone will be. Along with a better idea on how big Raiden will be when he is combined.

Either way, I am interested in the rumored "MP" Cliff figure. And since the rumors tied to the Legacy line are starting to bore me, I am going to hope this is not going to be a long-winded, expensive set.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113279)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 16th, 2021 @ 7:11pm CDT
Super excited to finally see some news on this! I am really stoked for the idea of getting an MP Raiden!!!
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113322)
Posted by Emerje on August 17th, 2021 @ 4:30am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.

The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.

I just can't imagine them making MP figures not in scale with MPs. What's the point? Make it a Selects or a one off, no need to shoehorn them into the wrong line, they'll sell regardless.

Emerje
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113325)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on August 17th, 2021 @ 5:00am CDT
One thing is sure. That's one MP I'll NEVER get unless I win a million dollars. Because if I get that ultra expensive (price justified) MP, I'll want to hunt down the complete G1 original and we all know how much this goes for.
[-(
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113330)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 17th, 2021 @ 6:00am CDT
Looks amazing, and like its going to be intolerably expensive

Emerje wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.

The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.

I just can't imagine them making MP figures not in scale with MPs. What's the point? Make it a Selects or a one off, no need to shoehorn them into the wrong line, they'll sell regardless.

Emerje


It's possible that they're giving it the name because the amount of detail/functionality/complexity is masterpiece level, kind of like how the rotf starscream was labelled a masterpiece, despite being a normal leader class figure
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113354)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 17th, 2021 @ 10:43am CDT
Emerje wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.

The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.

I just can't imagine them making MP figures not in scale with MPs. What's the point? Make it a Selects or a one off, no need to shoehorn them into the wrong line, they'll sell regardless.

Emerje
To be fair, that's exactly what they did with MP Star Saber. He's completely out of scale with any and all other MPs.

His "Battle Up!" mode is supposed to be combiner-sized, while his standard robot mode is supposed to be of equal height to Perceptor (who is himself of equal height to the tall Autobot likes of Ironhide/Ratchet, Inferno/Grapple, and Hot Rod).

Yet, the standard robot mode of his MP is as small a typical Autobot Car (Prowl/Streak/Smokescreen, Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Hound, and Sunstreaker), while the "Battle Up!" mode is the same height as MP Ultra Magnus, MP-1 Convoy, and... the CW/UW/Potpie/Selects Combiners. The latter notion means that MP Star Saber is more correctly scaled for CHUG rather than Masterpiece.

Now, at the time that they were making him, I was certain they wouldn't be able to make Star Saber as big as he'd need to be, since this was before Titan class Devastator was even known about. But, at the very least, my hope was that Takara would at least be able to make him as big as Armada Unicron, since that toy was at least still much taller that foot-tall MPs like Magnus and MP-1.

But, with the onset of Titan class Devastator setting a new standard for Combiner height at MP scale, I do kinda still wish that MP Star Saber could have been bigger. At the very least, Armada Unicron-sized, if not taller.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113444)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 17th, 2021 @ 7:50pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:One thing is sure. That's one MP I'll NEVER get unless I win a million dollars. Because if I get that ultra expensive (price justified) MP, I'll want to hunt down the complete G1 original and we all know how much this goes for.
[-(


My feeling is that I'll get "MP" Cliff and be done for the time being. >:oP

Not because my past experiences in the community (as a whole) always ended up being toxic, but because they always dump one means of doing this line for another. With the cap-off for me the moment every figure suddenly had to be their animated counterpart. Which has me actually look at how the characters scale in their anime series, while I wish I could follow that up by seeing how select MP scale with each other.

Or how MP figures that match a characters height scale against select Unite Warriors figures.

As for the original... Are we talking about the first (1987) individual figures, the giftset, or the second (1990) reissued figures? Either way, these complete (and MISB) will cost as much as a single 1990 reissue (MIB). With patience allowing you to get them for less via Mandarake. ;)^
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113456)
Posted by whacko on August 17th, 2021 @ 9:57pm CDT
I know Takara is limited by the cartoon character's design, and also that this is an engineering sample and not a final product... but this doesn't look like a Masterpiece figure. All the gaps, exposed hollow parts and ugly hinges make this look like a mainline quality toy.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113470)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 17th, 2021 @ 10:51pm CDT
whacko wrote:I know Takara is limited by the cartoon character's design, and also that this is an engineering sample and not a final product... but this doesn't look like a Masterpiece figure. All the gaps, exposed hollow parts and ugly hinges make this look like a mainline quality toy.


I was originally wondering if it was a 3P prototype, myself. The way the photo was shot had me wonder how the leaker got it. But also having been a fan of prototypes in the past, I am presuming that it is the actual item. And that the final product will look a whole lot better.

(Here is a LINK (click here) to his Collector Interview. It is worth checking out.)
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113477)
Posted by Emerje on August 18th, 2021 @ 12:37am CDT
whacko wrote:I know Takara is limited by the cartoon character's design, and also that this is an engineering sample and not a final product... but this doesn't look like a Masterpiece figure. All the gaps, exposed hollow parts and ugly hinges make this look like a mainline quality toy.

You're going to have to point out the exposed gaps and hollow spots because I don't see any. And the hinges are a necessity due to him being a combiner. Once the clear plastic is painted over a lot of it wont be visible.

Emerje
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113483)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 18th, 2021 @ 1:36am CDT
Emerje wrote:You're going to have to point out the exposed gaps and hollow spots because I don't see any. And the hinges are a necessity due to him being a combiner. Once the clear plastic is painted over a lot of it wont be visible.

Emerje


From what I have seen, the hollow points are in the legs area with any gaps seen being in the back. Something that also caught me off guard, at first, but later looked up prior to me editing my response to them. Which happens to be why they use clear plastic, and that they do not always stick with one prototype model.

But I do agree with you on the fact that once we see a more solid (color, digibash, or something else) version of this figure, a lot of those issues should not be noticeable. And if they will go with animation accuracy for height, or use "Unite Warrior" Devastator's combined height to make the set more affordable.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113760)
Posted by mcfmullen on August 21st, 2021 @ 9:20pm CDT
This doesn't even remotely look MP style at all. Why is it being called MP when it's clearly siege trilogy style?
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113770)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 22nd, 2021 @ 12:11am CDT
mcfmullen wrote:This doesn't even remotely look MP style at all. Why is it being called MP when it's clearly siege trilogy style?


It's a prototype model, that's why. The final model should look more MP than their brand-merger stuff. :-?
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113776)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 22nd, 2021 @ 2:00am CDT
Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113777)
Posted by Emerje on August 22nd, 2021 @ 2:07am CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113785)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 22nd, 2021 @ 8:42am CDT
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje


Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113807)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 22nd, 2021 @ 1:08pm CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje


Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.


OK, there went that theory.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113809)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 22nd, 2021 @ 1:25pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje


Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.


OK, there went that theory.
If it was related to HasLab Star Saber, this set has been in production from TakaraTomy since October 2019, when Hasbro had only just finished crowdfunding Unicron a month earlier.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113821)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on August 22nd, 2021 @ 5:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje


Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.


OK, there went that theory.
If it was related to HasLab Star Saber, this set has been in production from TakaraTomy since October 2019, when Hasbro had only just finished crowdfunding Unicron a month earlier.


Doesn't mean anything. I just could've seen this as the next Haslab. Guess Star Saber it is, hopefully, it's really Victory Saber.
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113828)
Posted by Sherlock Zero on August 22nd, 2021 @ 6:34pm CDT
I'm leaning towards Galaxy Shuttle since everybody is already assuming it has to be Star Saber. :POPCORN:

I mean in all cases he did appear in Victory. Plus Hasbro could easily use the 1987 G.I. Joe Defiant Shuttle Complex as a reference piece when drawing up ideas. Along with them using TakaraTomy's Robot Masters line for any references if they do decide to include a Core class Star Saber, etc.

And yes, I am that level of bored when it comes to waiting for anything official for both projects. >:oP
Re: Takara Designers Interview From Transformers Generations 2020 Including Details About MP Raiden (2113829)
Posted by First-Aid on August 22nd, 2021 @ 6:35pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Emerje wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Stupid question, was Raiden featured in Victory?

He or one of his individual components appeared regularly on the show if I remember right.

Emerje


Outside of The Headmasters, the Trainbots appeared in the opening credits of Masterforce (not in the cartoon itself except for archive footage in a clip show), and briefly in the manga as well. Nothing in Victory whatsoever. The toys were re-released in Zone.


OK, there went that theory.
If it was related to HasLab Star Saber, this set has been in production from TakaraTomy since October 2019, when Hasbro had only just finished crowdfunding Unicron a month earlier.


Doesn't mean anything. I just could've seen this as the next Haslab. Guess Star Saber it is, hopefully, it's really Victory Saber.


I'm not sure it would have gotten enough support. The train bots are less known to casual fans. Hell I didin't know about them until about 15 years into this hobby. It would be a die-hard piece, I think. Just not sure enough people would shell out for it.

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