Alright folks! I have been driving myself nuts over this figure. At first because of the cost. Then because of the picture perfect KO. I've been researching a bunch over the past few days, and feel I have enough findings to finally make this thread. so here we go!
First: The box
Down there are some pics of the legit box. Now, I work in a chemical plant. And any given thing we have (received or blended by us) has a "lot" or "batch" number mainly to keep track of when and where things are made. Well apparently toys are no different. If you check on the bottom of the MP boxes (or elsewhere on any other TF) you'll find the lot number. I surmised that while they (the KO'ers) have counterfeited the box, they didn't go so far as to stamp the box with that number like Takara did. Turns out I was right.
You'll see that the bottom right of the box (of the legit Takara version) has a stamp with "G1214". And if what I know about lot number is true, the 14 at the end probably means "made in 2014", but I digress. I think most figures of the same type and mold will have the same lot number, especially on such a limited run like this. So all legit MP BAPEs should have that number.
Below this, is the bottom of the KO box (I'm not bothering with other angles cause they're the same as the legit). You'll notice a couple differences, mainly that there's no bar code, and no lot number stamp. And BOOM. You just confirmed a sealed BAPE to be a KO.![]()
SECOND: The Figure
The legit BAPE uses the MP10B (Black Convoy) variation of the mold, which has the (molded) Autobot insignia removed, so both shoulders are smooth and clean. The left shoulder is where said insignia should be, but the BAPE logo is there instead, and the right one has nothing.
The KO was molded from one of the original MP10s, and thus has the molded Autobot insignia on the left shoulder. so in turn the bape KO has something on each shoulder. the bape logo is on the opposite shoulder it should be, because of the molded insignia is obviously still there.
In closing, I hope this helps cause I wasn't able to find this info anywhere else. Being able to tell if something is a KO or not is pretty easy in hand, but in the age of internet buying you really have to be careful. And while most people selling these KOs clearly state what they are, it doesn't mean there won't be someone trying to pass one off as the real deal.
Happy (safe) hunting everyone!
Buyer Beware! MP10A Bape Convoy KO Guide
Posted by Va'al
Jan 14, 2015 at 10:21am CST
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Comment by Bumblevivisector
Jan 14, 2015
"Unfortunate" indeed. Someone finally musters enough effort to actually reverse mold a KO of a recent MP instead of cobbling one together from reject parts, and it's the one that's desirable almost solely because of its exclusivity. (I guess this color scheme would be nice if you wanted a more military Optimus, or needed green to complete a "rainbow of Convoys" display)
So congrats, whoever, on making a KO that even I couldn't defend for any reason. May they all be broken down for parts to make a fake MP Killing Jar black hole Ultra Magnus (assuming Takara doesn't actually do that repaint).
And mostly, great work Shajaki!
So congrats, whoever, on making a KO that even I couldn't defend for any reason. May they all be broken down for parts to make a fake MP Killing Jar black hole Ultra Magnus (assuming Takara doesn't actually do that repaint).
And mostly, great work Shajaki!
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Comment by Rated X
Jan 14, 2015
I can produce bape KOs without a factory. Give me a four pack of 211 steel reserve and some MP-10s. Ill get wasted and puke all over them till theyre all baped out. 

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Comment by shajaki
Jan 14, 2015
wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!
and... thanks for your opinion on the bape scheme X...

and... thanks for your opinion on the bape scheme X...

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Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.
Comment by Va'al
Jan 14, 2015
shajaki wrote:wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!![]()
Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.

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Comment by shajaki
Jan 14, 2015
ahh. well thanks to you too DMVa'al wrote:Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.shajaki wrote:wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!![]()

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I demand news recognition and the movie rights to the thread.
Comment by Dead Metal
Jan 14, 2015
shajaki wrote:ahh. well thanks to you too DMVa'al wrote:Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.shajaki wrote:wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!![]()
I demand news recognition and the movie rights to the thread.

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Wish granted.
Comment by Va'al
Jan 14, 2015
Dead Metal wrote:shajaki wrote:ahh. well thanks to you too DMVa'al wrote:Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.shajaki wrote:wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!![]()
I demand news recognition and the movie rights to the thread.
Wish granted.
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Comment by cor2879
Jan 14, 2015
Call me crazy but the Autobot insignia actually makes the KO version look better (IMO) than the official. If I were buying this to display on a shelf, I'd rather have the KO.
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Comment by shajaki
Jan 14, 2015
im keeping the merchandising rights. ima be george lucas rich!Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:shajaki wrote:ahh. well thanks to you too DMVa'al wrote:Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.shajaki wrote:wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!![]()
I demand news recognition and the movie rights to the thread.
Wish granted.
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Comment by Cobotron
Jan 14, 2015
Than you better sell it all to Disney.shajaki wrote:im keeping the merchandising rights. ima be george lucas rich!Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:shajaki wrote:ahh. well thanks to you too DMVa'al wrote:Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.shajaki wrote:wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!![]()
I demand news recognition and the movie rights to the thread.
Wish granted.

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You can have those, but I DEMAND 70% of all profits for usage of any and all movie related characters and logos!
Man, I hope we're not ruining this excellent thread. But yeah, great job on putting this together!
Comment by Dead Metal
Jan 14, 2015
shajaki wrote:im keeping the merchandising rights. ima be george lucas rich!Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:shajaki wrote:ahh. well thanks to you too DMVa'al wrote:Thank also Dead Metal, who notified us of the thread.shajaki wrote:wow! thanks for news'ing this va'al!![]()
I demand news recognition and the movie rights to the thread.
Wish granted.
You can have those, but I DEMAND 70% of all profits for usage of any and all movie related characters and logos!

Man, I hope we're not ruining this excellent thread. But yeah, great job on putting this together!

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Here's another way to spot the KO right away. If the box is in front of you, you will notice the "Takara Tomy" logo is missing on the box. I am not aware of Bape KO with logo, only without Takara Tomy logo. Picture http://www.facebook.com/428043647269721/photos/a.428132450594174.96346.428043647269721/770554043018678/?type=1&theater
I made a video of the KO where you can see the box and figure
Comment by chachipower
Jan 14, 2015
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So in short:
1) the KO box has no bar code and lot number, as a result of some other omissions the rest has shifted towards the middle
2) the KO has the moldedand the BAPE logo on the wrong side.
Gotcha. Gotta appreciate those small differences
Here's another way to spot the KO right away. If the box is in front of you, you will notice the "Takara Tomy" logo is missing on the box. I am not aware of Bape KO with logo, only without Takara Tomy logo. Picture http://www.facebook.com/428043647269721/photos/a.428132450594174.96346.428043647269721/770554043018678/?type=1&theater
I made a video of the KO where you can see the box and figure
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Comment by Prime Riblet
Jan 14, 2015
I can see why this would drive you nuts, shajaki.
I have to admit though, that is a pretty impressive KO. Like someone said earlier, if I were in the market for this sucker, I might actually go for the knock-off before the reall thing. I like that
on the left arm. It is annoying but also interesting how good some of these KOs are getting. Seriously. It is real? Is it fake? Are we inside the Matrix? WTF?
I have to admit though, that is a pretty impressive KO. Like someone said earlier, if I were in the market for this sucker, I might actually go for the knock-off before the reall thing. I like that

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i cant believe i missed that! it was seriously staring me right in the face. thanks for that! i guess its good that theres multiple ways to distinguish the real from KO
Comment by shajaki
Jan 14, 2015
chachipower wrote:If the box is in front of you, you will notice the "Takara Tomy" logo is missing on the box.

i cant believe i missed that! it was seriously staring me right in the face. thanks for that! i guess its good that theres multiple ways to distinguish the real from KO

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Not all KO's will leave out the TT logo...Ive noticed only when there is a change to the figure. For example, the regular car KO's have TT logo's, but the MP-12J doesnt because its a KO only release.
The MP-10 KO doesnt have TT logo because it has no trailer and upgraded paint apps.
The Bape MP-10 has no TT logo because of the differences on the shoulders.
I'm sure it will continue this way.
BTW, Bape trailer coming out soon and also a trailer for MP-10B!
Comment by chachipower
Jan 18, 2015
shajaki wrote:chachipower wrote:If the box is in front of you, you will notice the "Takara Tomy" logo is missing on the box.
i cant believe i missed that! it was seriously staring me right in the face. thanks for that! i guess its good that theres multiple ways to distinguish the real from KO
Not all KO's will leave out the TT logo...Ive noticed only when there is a change to the figure. For example, the regular car KO's have TT logo's, but the MP-12J doesnt because its a KO only release.
The MP-10 KO doesnt have TT logo because it has no trailer and upgraded paint apps.
The Bape MP-10 has no TT logo because of the differences on the shoulders.
I'm sure it will continue this way.
BTW, Bape trailer coming out soon and also a trailer for MP-10B!
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Comment by fenrir72
Jan 19, 2015
That was fast!