IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #34 Froid and Terminus Character Design by Alex Milne

Wait... Froid... as in Freud?

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

Deathsanras wrote:Wait... Froid... as in Freud?

Yup, as in Freud, dude.

The resemblance is uncanny.

"I hate to disappoint you Rung, but sometimes a fusion cannon is just fusion cannon"

(First thing that popped to my mind when Froid was introduced, yes I know that it was Froid was no where near the scene but... still. It's a Freudian thing to say.)

I didn't make the connection between Rung and Jung though... I feel silly.

John Stamoist wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:

1984forever wrote:
I love Brainstorm as a Decepticon agent. I'm happy to see that there is at least one AUTObot jet that took a look at his alt-mode and said "hey, I don't turn into a car, so why am I wearing an AUTObot symbol? I'm supposed to be a Decepticon!"

Here's the thing.

We don't know that Brainstorm is a Decepticon. Inside his face plate was a Decepticon symbol painted on, but we don't know the reason why it's there. It could be a million different reasons. A reminder (former Decepticon turned Autobot, the painted on symbol could be a reminder to not go back), he's a spy, he's on the fence, the DJD did it as a mark (it was painted on after all), he has a cerebo shell in his head and he didn't even know he had a symbol in his mask, he's a double agent, his faceplate came from a friend who was killed by Decepticons and he has a huge grudge, he has a really twisted sense of humor, someone else put it in there and he never knew it.
All of those are as probable as him being a Decepticon agent.
So please don't say with absolute certainty that Brainstorm is in fact a Decepticon. We don't know.

Not all Autobots are land vehicles, not all Decepticons are air vehicles. Not even in G1 were all the Autobots land vehicles and all the Decepticon Air Vehicles. Megatron was a gun, as was Shockwave, Soundwave a mini cassette player, Reflector a camera, then came aerialbots, constructicons, Stunticons, Blaster, Perceptor, Jetfire, etc. It's a faction not form.

Exactly, it could be all misdirection for who the real traitor is on the Lost Light. The most peculiar part is why Brainstorm chose to go back in time now, not this whole time he had the suitcase. People said the suitcase from the other Lost Light survived because he loves it so much, or because it's a entirely different suitcase. I think maybe he was developing the device this whole time. So on the other Lost Light the device was never completed and the suitcase was always empty, that's why it survived. Any of these is possible, just a matter of what direction they want to go. The info for next issue is weird though, them saying there's no hate or any of that so why is there a problem. Not sure if this is connected to Brainstorm, or if it alludes to the DJD coming back to speak with First Aid and them.

I like these theories. I'm not gonna spoiler mine because a) I ain't cool enough like y'all and b) I'm probably wrong so it's like more of a red herring than a spoiler.

BUT, my theory is TC is Agent 113. And maybe he got buuuuuusted. And that was why he decided to stay even after First Aid noped out.

CC, all my herrings are red.

Flashwave wrote:[
Wait, I was supposed to get Time Travel out of that last page? Sheesh, I need to do better at reading on a phone...

I didn't get it either. You're not alone.

Man, I am so confused and intrigued by this arc. I've reread the past three issues, but can't theorize until I think I have a grasp of what's going on! So, please help me make some sense of things...

Confirmed: The events in this issue roughly occur at the same time as the two Lost Light's resolution.

So, whilst Megatron et al are making sense of things up in space, these four are on some planet nosing around.

Is this the same planet next to the Lost Light?

Now, theory time. When the Lost Light was restored, so was the crew. We know that the other Lost Light disappeared, except for Rewind and Brainstorm's briefcase. Is it possible that living beings with sparks perhaps were not canceled out, and is it possible that some of the crew were not killed by the DJD? Any clues to confirm that the four on the planet were not from the other Lost Light? Oh, First Aid, he wasn't with that crew originally. Ok, so they're from "our" crew.

Second, I found it very hard to accept that 5 badass decepticons can take down the whole autobot crew themselves. No sign of corpses from Whirl and several others. (or Trailcutter and Bluestreak and Mainframe, for what it's worth).

So, who f'd up Vos and Kaon?? Did they perhaps flee here after getting injured on the Lost Light?

DarkEnergon wrote:Now, theory time. When the Lost Light was restored, so was the crew. We know that the other Lost Light disappeared, except for Rewind and Brainstorm's briefcase. Is it possible that living beings with sparks perhaps were not canceled out, and is it possible that some of the crew were not killed by the DJD? Any clues to confirm that the four on the planet were not from the other Lost Light? Oh, First Aid, he wasn't with that crew originally. Ok, so they're from "our" crew.

Second, I found it very hard to accept that 5 badass decepticons can take down the whole autobot crew themselves. No sign of corpses from Whirl and several others. (or Trailcutter and Bluestreak and Mainframe, for what it's worth).

For the first part of your question.... I guess we'll find out.
In theory, as long as their counterpart is dead, then the copy could still be alive (since Rewind is still alive and the 'original' died when the two continuities started colliding).
As for Brainstorm's briefcase, if the briefcase and it's contents don't match what the 'original' Brainstorm has in his (the time machine) the theory is possible the briefcase could still exist because they're not conflicting with each other.

We're working on the theory that things that weren't there when the engines exploded at launch would then not exist in duplicate (which is why there wasn't a Nautica or Nightbeat corpse). So if one of the briefcases and it's contents are not the same as when the Lost Light launched (or if the contents are physically connected to the briefcase you can say that changes the properties of the briefcase to not the same as it was at launch), it could survive simply because the other is different.
Their whole theory is that two copies can't exist in the same universe if they are near each other, so if something survives the engines being shut down, then it doesn't have a counterpart to cancel out.
(I gotta say, I just love this sort of stuff, the idea of the duplicity and what happens when it meets )

And for the second part of your question, though it is possible some of the crew is still alive because we didn't see bodies, Rewind did say that every one was killed, they may not have drawn everybody in the panels because of space.

They also never show Whirl (for example) leaving the Lost Light, we catch glimpses of his avatar, but never him. Not that I noticed at least.
Rewind did say (in #33) that the DJD used him to film the entire massacre and he says "When the finished killing the rest of the crew", so we can assume the entire crew died because Rewind stated it, though, you know, nothing is for certain.

Considering that everyone was scared of the DJD it's quite easy to believe. I mean they were after overlord, that says everything. The DJD are quite the bogeymen of this series. I really don't think there was anything more to this then we've seen.

We may never know (I'm guessing we will never know) how the DJD managed to kill everyone. Though there might be able to be something to be said about fear, organization, circumstances.

Everyone is afraid of the DJD, that might have some play. Less seasoned warriors might be too afraid.

The DJD is a well trained, well organized, efficient killing machine. I dout the Lost Light crew was organized.

We don't know what state they were in. The Lost Light we are familiar with began pulling apart and not being normal. Was the second one falling apart too?

And I have to correct my last post because I confused my characters. I mentioned about Whirl not being seen besides his avatar... Wrong Whirl. I was talking about Whirl on Lost Light 1 not Lost Light 2. So disregard what I said there. I was being utterly confused for no good reason.

ctrlFrequency wrote:We may never know (I'm guessing we will never know) how the DJD managed to kill everyone. Though there might be able to be something to be said about fear, organization, circumstances.

Everyone is afraid of the DJD, that might have some play. Less seasoned warriors might be too afraid.

The DJD is a well trained, well organized, efficient killing machine. I dout the Lost Light crew was organized.

We don't know what state they were in. The Lost Light we are familiar with began pulling apart and not being normal. Was the second one falling apart too?

And I have to correct my last post because I confused my characters. I mentioned about Whirl not being seen besides his avatar... Wrong Whirl. I was talking about Whirl on Lost Light 1 not Lost Light 2. So disregard what I said there. I was being utterly confused for no good reason.

I think more than anything the death of Rodimus took a toll on them. Rodimus wouldn't back down if the DJD came on board, he would challenge them. That courage would have lifted the spirits of everyone, making them believe they could defeat the DJD. Since Rodimus is dead, and different events happened to this Lost Light, it's hard to tell why they were so pathetic at fighting back.

What I'm really waiting for is the DJD and Megatron confrontation that will happen. It'll be interesting to see if they will try to kill him, join him(LOL 0% chance of that happening), or ignore him only to be attacked by him and the Lost Light crew.