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Ironically I just found that on youtube and newsed it. I didn't click your link because I didn't wish to be too spoiled. Great minds think alike
Comment by WreckerJack
Jun 23, 2017
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:WreckerJack wrote:EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Hey guys, I've been staying off the web for the most part to keep away from spoilers for TLK, but I saw this and figured you might want to see it!
https://youtu.be/vef62MzS6as
The spoiler thread is here my friend - spoiler-thread-for-transformers-the-last-knight-review-with-spoilers-added-6-20--t109402.php
Oh, it's not spoilers, its a video of the Man at Arms people forging Prime's sword from AOE/TLK
Ironically I just found that on youtube and newsed it. I didn't click your link because I didn't wish to be too spoiled. Great minds think alike
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And here's the later part. Trying to do work stuff today amidst getting ready to take my whole family and some friends to go see it again tonight, which will be my 3rd time. This time around, we'll be seeing it in 2D, which brings me to my cons.
Pros (continued): The musical score is fantastic, yet again. I have absolutely loved Steve Jablonsky's scores from all 5 movies. Due to his contributions, I have really gotten into movie scores, but absolutely love his work on Transformers. Very talented. Very appropriate music. It's right up my alley for mood setting in a film, and I don't think his scores have garnered enough appreciation. I liked that Bumblebee was (more-or-less) back to his old look, I liked Quintessa, I actually really liked the big "reveal" of the film, I loved Anthony Hopkins (one of my favorite actors) in this film (despite some of my cons with him regarding the script). I really liked Cogman, which I did a complete 180 on since he was initially revealed (if only all of the Transformers were handled in this manner with as much screentime). I liked Megatron and I even liked the "new" Decepticons for the most part. Hound continues to kick ass and be a personal favorite of mine, though I still wish he had been called Bulkhead. I was really impressed with Izabella and Jerrod Carmichael's characters. Carmichael was much better than TJ Miller (who I actually really like in other media such as HBO's Silicon Valley, but didn't care for in AOE). I liked all of the nods to the previous films (though a bit frustrated at some of the retconning). I loved seeing John Turtorro back, though I think the movie could have been rewritten to eliminate his role altogether. I still enjoyed his scenes and liked seeing him with Topspin (small spoiler, sorry!). I also really liked King Arthur and Merlin, and had no idea that Stanley Tucci from AOE played Merlin ... he's a great actor, despite the 2nd half of his performance in AOE (which has more to do with script or directing).
Cons: 3D, but that's not a problem with this movie in particular, just me with 3D in general. More on that below. Too many characters, particularly on the human side, but I'd even argue that there are too many Transformers fighting for screen time as well. Lack of characterization, outside of Cogman. Again, they don't seem to know what to do with the Decepticons, which is really unfortunate. I could do without all of the swearing. Sometimes, it's funny or really appropriate, but it seemed too much. Sir Anthony Hopkins (with an emphasis on the word Sir), probably doesn't go around saying "bitchin'" or the other swear words he said. It strikes me as really out of character for him and for the character he is playing. Not a fan of the Transformers swearing. For a awe-shocking moment, sure, such as Ultra Magnus saying "dammit" in 1986 movie and Bumblebee's one line during the junkyard scene (no spoiler please). The incomplete love story seems odd. I could totally do with an actual real love story happening inbetween the Transformers battles, but it seems more tacked on than anything. While the story was more comprehensive and linear, it still was just too much going on. Instead of real substance, we get more stuff happening to fill in the time. I don't get the purpose of the Transformers are always having been here and having influenced or been a part of so many historical moments. The non-stop action once they get off the submarine, was a bit much. I wish there had been something in there to break up the last third of the movie which was a non-stop onslaught of action, mostly good, but without any breaks to give your eyes and ears a rest.
Due to feelings of disorientation and that wearing the glasses disallows me to get fully sucked into a movie, I'm just not a fan of 3D. I'll never understand why they didn't do 3D screens instead of 3D glasses. There's got to be a reason that you do it with glasses instead, maybe it's a perspective thing or something, I don't know. But after forcing myself to try to enjoy the 3D experience ever since Avatar, I just can't do it anymore. I gave Michael Bay the benefit of the doubt after he assured us in person back in March in his office that the reason for the "uncomfortable" (my word, not his) feelings you get watching 3D is because it wasn't on IMAX or because the bulbs weren't right, or something along those lines. Since I was one of the lucky few who got to see the actual US premiere on an IMAX screen, I'm assuming that would be how they want us all to see it and I actually preferred the RealD 3D showing at the press screening, but I also had one of the best seats in the house (by sheer luck) because I was eye level with the middle of the screen, and we were in one of those awesome 21+ (you can drink a beer) fancy lazy boy electronic reclining seat experiences, which might be the next best thing to watching a movie at home (or it might even be better, depending on your objectives).
I'm sure I have more thoughts to share, both good and bad, but I've got to jet for now. As I said above, at the end of the day, it's another Michael Bay movie. I've seen more of his movies than any other director, love them or hate them. I like his style, I like his vision, it just seems like there's no one higher than him saying "hey man, you've got to rein this in a bit".
Sometimes, less is better. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it.
Where do I rank TLK with the others? I really liked DOTM, so it's more or less a toss up with that one, with the first movie being my favorite. For the time being, I'm ranking TLK as #2 behind the first, but it might be #3 once all of the hype has died down and I've had some real time to process all of this. So in order: #1 TF2007, #2 TLK, #3 DOTM, #4 ROTF, and #5 AOE (yet all of them had things I really liked and didn't like).
Compromised? I don't think so.
Comment by Seibertron
Jun 23, 2017
Seibertron wrote:philswitch engage wrote:I hope you realize, Ryan, that this compromises any objectivity this site has in regards to the movies and your opinions of them
LOL! Nah, it doesn't change my opinion at all, nor does it compromise my opinion (nor has anything else that I've been treated to over the past 17 years of running Seibertron.com). At the end of the day, The Last Knight is another installment in the Michael Bay franchise. It still retains most of the same pros and cons that the previous 4 films had so if you're expecting anything radically different, you're probably going to be really disappointed.
Here're my quick thoughts of The Last Knight:
Pros: I liked that the story seemed much more coherent than previous films. It was a much more linear story line that was easier to follow that the films that intertwined multiple stories into one. The special effects looked amazing. I was thrilled at how much screen time the Transformers had. I liked that most of the transformations didn't cheat by happening off screen or behind something. I thought the acting was fairly decent minus a few moments. The absence of sexual humor minus a couple of scenes that I thought were rather funny and would be over my 8 year old daughter's understanding ...
Will write more later ...
And here's the later part. Trying to do work stuff today amidst getting ready to take my whole family and some friends to go see it again tonight, which will be my 3rd time. This time around, we'll be seeing it in 2D, which brings me to my cons.
Pros (continued): The musical score is fantastic, yet again. I have absolutely loved Steve Jablonsky's scores from all 5 movies. Due to his contributions, I have really gotten into movie scores, but absolutely love his work on Transformers. Very talented. Very appropriate music. It's right up my alley for mood setting in a film, and I don't think his scores have garnered enough appreciation. I liked that Bumblebee was (more-or-less) back to his old look, I liked Quintessa, I actually really liked the big "reveal" of the film, I loved Anthony Hopkins (one of my favorite actors) in this film (despite some of my cons with him regarding the script). I really liked Cogman, which I did a complete 180 on since he was initially revealed (if only all of the Transformers were handled in this manner with as much screentime). I liked Megatron and I even liked the "new" Decepticons for the most part. Hound continues to kick ass and be a personal favorite of mine, though I still wish he had been called Bulkhead. I was really impressed with Izabella and Jerrod Carmichael's characters. Carmichael was much better than TJ Miller (who I actually really like in other media such as HBO's Silicon Valley, but didn't care for in AOE). I liked all of the nods to the previous films (though a bit frustrated at some of the retconning). I loved seeing John Turtorro back, though I think the movie could have been rewritten to eliminate his role altogether. I still enjoyed his scenes and liked seeing him with Topspin (small spoiler, sorry!). I also really liked King Arthur and Merlin, and had no idea that Stanley Tucci from AOE played Merlin ... he's a great actor, despite the 2nd half of his performance in AOE (which has more to do with script or directing).
Cons: 3D, but that's not a problem with this movie in particular, just me with 3D in general. More on that below. Too many characters, particularly on the human side, but I'd even argue that there are too many Transformers fighting for screen time as well. Lack of characterization, outside of Cogman. Again, they don't seem to know what to do with the Decepticons, which is really unfortunate. I could do without all of the swearing. Sometimes, it's funny or really appropriate, but it seemed too much. Sir Anthony Hopkins (with an emphasis on the word Sir), probably doesn't go around saying "bitchin'" or the other swear words he said. It strikes me as really out of character for him and for the character he is playing. Not a fan of the Transformers swearing. For a awe-shocking moment, sure, such as Ultra Magnus saying "dammit" in 1986 movie and Bumblebee's one line during the junkyard scene (no spoiler please). The incomplete love story seems odd. I could totally do with an actual real love story happening inbetween the Transformers battles, but it seems more tacked on than anything. While the story was more comprehensive and linear, it still was just too much going on. Instead of real substance, we get more stuff happening to fill in the time. I don't get the purpose of the Transformers are always having been here and having influenced or been a part of so many historical moments. The non-stop action once they get off the submarine, was a bit much. I wish there had been something in there to break up the last third of the movie which was a non-stop onslaught of action, mostly good, but without any breaks to give your eyes and ears a rest.
Due to feelings of disorientation and that wearing the glasses disallows me to get fully sucked into a movie, I'm just not a fan of 3D. I'll never understand why they didn't do 3D screens instead of 3D glasses. There's got to be a reason that you do it with glasses instead, maybe it's a perspective thing or something, I don't know. But after forcing myself to try to enjoy the 3D experience ever since Avatar, I just can't do it anymore. I gave Michael Bay the benefit of the doubt after he assured us in person back in March in his office that the reason for the "uncomfortable" (my word, not his) feelings you get watching 3D is because it wasn't on IMAX or because the bulbs weren't right, or something along those lines. Since I was one of the lucky few who got to see the actual US premiere on an IMAX screen, I'm assuming that would be how they want us all to see it and I actually preferred the RealD 3D showing at the press screening, but I also had one of the best seats in the house (by sheer luck) because I was eye level with the middle of the screen, and we were in one of those awesome 21+ (you can drink a beer) fancy lazy boy electronic reclining seat experiences, which might be the next best thing to watching a movie at home (or it might even be better, depending on your objectives).
I'm sure I have more thoughts to share, both good and bad, but I've got to jet for now. As I said above, at the end of the day, it's another Michael Bay movie. I've seen more of his movies than any other director, love them or hate them. I like his style, I like his vision, it just seems like there's no one higher than him saying "hey man, you've got to rein this in a bit".
Sometimes, less is better. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it.
Where do I rank TLK with the others? I really liked DOTM, so it's more or less a toss up with that one, with the first movie being my favorite. For the time being, I'm ranking TLK as #2 behind the first, but it might be #3 once all of the hype has died down and I've had some real time to process all of this. So in order: #1 TF2007, #2 TLK, #3 DOTM, #4 ROTF, and #5 AOE (yet all of them had things I really liked and didn't like).
Compromised? I don't think so.
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Comment by Seibertron
Jun 23, 2017
Hm ... should I have put my review in a different topic? I didn't mean it to turn into my review, but it seems like it started to happen that way.
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spoiler-thread-for-transformers-the-last-knight-review-with-spoilers-added-6-20--t109402.php
And personally, I feel bad for you not being able to enjoy 3D, this TF film in particular looked amazing in that format.
Comment by Rodimus Prime
Jun 23, 2017
Well, we do have the review thread, which include spoilers, even though your posts didn't:Seibertron wrote:Hm ... should I have put my review in a different topic? I didn't mean it to turn into my review, but it seems like it started to happen that way.
spoiler-thread-for-transformers-the-last-knight-review-with-spoilers-added-6-20--t109402.php
And personally, I feel bad for you not being able to enjoy 3D, this TF film in particular looked amazing in that format.
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Comment by Carnivius_Prime
Jun 23, 2017
Love that sword! I think i seen they'd done other pop culture weapons like my fave sword ever The Sword of Omens from the original ThunderCats. Again things I would buy if I won the lottery
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Comment by 77Prime84
Jun 23, 2017
Went to see TF:TLK last night.
Sigh. When will this garbage stop?
Given that this franchise is over thirty years old, has had a unified "bible" or continuum in place for some time and has a trove of interesting/diverse/appealing characters to choose from ...
WHY is this junk stil lurching into theatres? Like its predecessors, this movie is shallow, vapid, mindless and far beneath the kind of treatment it deserves.
The film suffers from the same issues as all the rest: a ridiculous premise, infantile dialogue, zero emotional weight and the under-utilization of all the elements listed above. Don't get me wrong - the explosions and over-the-top Bayhem is fine with me. But when it's not pinned to any kind of substantive story, the end result isn't dissimilar to throwing a bunch of sh*t against the wall and hoping something sticks.
We were told that the collaborative "writers room" would lend a new cohesion and/or gravitas to TF: TLK. The best I could say is that they managed to make this thing only slightly less off-putting than the third film.
In my opinion, the best iteration of TF ever was TF: Prime. This was the series I had been waiting for. It struck the perfect balance among all of the elements that make Transformers work: well-paced, cohesive stories; character development, a strong voice cast, amazing visuals and the proper mix of action, adventure and emotional pull. The humans were placed well, too. Story arcs made sense and wrapped up pretty neatly with only a few bumps. No surpise, then, that it was nominated and won several Emmys.
Just imagine the quality of TF: Prime attached to a Bay-sized budget. Think about what that might produce.
If handled properly, Transformers has the potential to reach Star Wars levels of mythic greatness. It's a tremendous vehicle for storytelling and action/adventure in spades.
When will Hasbro get this?
When will we get something better?
Sigh. When will this garbage stop?
Given that this franchise is over thirty years old, has had a unified "bible" or continuum in place for some time and has a trove of interesting/diverse/appealing characters to choose from ...
WHY is this junk stil lurching into theatres? Like its predecessors, this movie is shallow, vapid, mindless and far beneath the kind of treatment it deserves.
The film suffers from the same issues as all the rest: a ridiculous premise, infantile dialogue, zero emotional weight and the under-utilization of all the elements listed above. Don't get me wrong - the explosions and over-the-top Bayhem is fine with me. But when it's not pinned to any kind of substantive story, the end result isn't dissimilar to throwing a bunch of sh*t against the wall and hoping something sticks.
We were told that the collaborative "writers room" would lend a new cohesion and/or gravitas to TF: TLK. The best I could say is that they managed to make this thing only slightly less off-putting than the third film.
In my opinion, the best iteration of TF ever was TF: Prime. This was the series I had been waiting for. It struck the perfect balance among all of the elements that make Transformers work: well-paced, cohesive stories; character development, a strong voice cast, amazing visuals and the proper mix of action, adventure and emotional pull. The humans were placed well, too. Story arcs made sense and wrapped up pretty neatly with only a few bumps. No surpise, then, that it was nominated and won several Emmys.
Just imagine the quality of TF: Prime attached to a Bay-sized budget. Think about what that might produce.
If handled properly, Transformers has the potential to reach Star Wars levels of mythic greatness. It's a tremendous vehicle for storytelling and action/adventure in spades.
When will Hasbro get this?
When will we get something better?
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Comment by Deadput
Jun 23, 2017
I will say this is the first time my eyes felt tired while watching a Transformers movie in theaters but I did wake up early that day with not much sleep (6 hours).
I also felt dizzy and felt like falling over after it was all over and had to stand but that happens with every movie I've watched in theaters for the past 3-4 years so nothing new there.
I also felt dizzy and felt like falling over after it was all over and had to stand but that happens with every movie I've watched in theaters for the past 3-4 years so nothing new there.
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Hasbro gets it (or at least the Transformers brand team definitely does), or else we wouldn't have Transformers Prime, Transformers Animated, or other examples (though I might argue that some of the greatest Transformers stories of all time are stories where they had outside help such as the G1 cartoons and comics and Beast Wars, though not all of it, which bears some resemblance to how things were initially setup with Paramount). The movies and their stories are out of their hands if I understand everything correctly. I'm assuming that it's similar to Marvel with FOX. Hasbro handed over most of their rights for control of the Transformers films (if I'm wording this incorrectly, someone please advise immediately) over to Paramount and Michael Bay waaaay back in 2001/2002 when these deals were originally made.
But I assure you, Hasbro (or at least the brand team) gets it! Promise!!!
Comment by Seibertron
Jun 23, 2017
77Prime84 wrote:When will Hasbro get this?
Hasbro gets it (or at least the Transformers brand team definitely does), or else we wouldn't have Transformers Prime, Transformers Animated, or other examples (though I might argue that some of the greatest Transformers stories of all time are stories where they had outside help such as the G1 cartoons and comics and Beast Wars, though not all of it, which bears some resemblance to how things were initially setup with Paramount). The movies and their stories are out of their hands if I understand everything correctly. I'm assuming that it's similar to Marvel with FOX. Hasbro handed over most of their rights for control of the Transformers films (if I'm wording this incorrectly, someone please advise immediately) over to Paramount and Michael Bay waaaay back in 2001/2002 when these deals were originally made.
But I assure you, Hasbro (or at least the brand team) gets it! Promise!!!
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Comment by DedicatedGhostArt
Jun 23, 2017
This is the manliest manly Transformers video EVER. It's WICKED.
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Comment by RAR
Jun 23, 2017
Is someone gonna throw Money at Mike Cthulhu to make the Beast Hunters Prime meat cleaver Sword now then ?
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Transformers Prime and good quality don't belong in the same sentence especially since behind the scenes was a giant disaster worse then any Bay film and it screwed up all of Hasbro's grand plans for the aligned continuity because the show developers refused to do what Hasbro asked of them.
The story was only relic hunts with relics that were mostly never used or spoken of again besides the season premiers and finales, there was no character development since either people forget all their progress (Arcee) or their killed off because the writers couldn't do squat with them (Breakdown, Dreadwing) and the show was hardly emotional especially since it hardly left the status quo and the stakes were never high even with Unicron involved.
The last good Transformers show was Animated actually it was the only decent Transformers show besides Beast Wars and Beast Machines everything else is entertaining but actually bad quality.
Never we won't because even once Bay leaves Hasbro is going to get someone else to do the exact same thing because that's how life and business work and there will never be a director who has the same obsessed romanticized view that we have of the franchise.
All of the stuff we want from a Transformers movie isn't going to happen in our lifetimes assuming of course that the franchise isn't kicked to the curb like GI Joe after a couple years since this franchise is going down hill slowly.
Transformers will never be the powerhouse franchise like Star Wars then again the last few movies have also been entertaining but actually pretty ba.
Comment by Deadput
Jun 23, 2017
77Prime84 wrote:
In my opinion, the best iteration of TF ever was TF: Prime. This was the series I had been waiting for. It struck the perfect balance among all of the elements that make Transformers work: well-paced, cohesive stories; character development, a strong voice cast, amazing visuals and the proper mix of action, adventure and emotional pull. The humans were placed well, too. Story arcs made sense and wrapped up pretty neatly with only a few bumps. No surpise, then, that it was nominated and won several Emmys.
Just imagine the quality of TF: Prime attached to a Bay-sized budget. Think about what that might produce.
Transformers Prime and good quality don't belong in the same sentence especially since behind the scenes was a giant disaster worse then any Bay film and it screwed up all of Hasbro's grand plans for the aligned continuity because the show developers refused to do what Hasbro asked of them.
The story was only relic hunts with relics that were mostly never used or spoken of again besides the season premiers and finales, there was no character development since either people forget all their progress (Arcee) or their killed off because the writers couldn't do squat with them (Breakdown, Dreadwing) and the show was hardly emotional especially since it hardly left the status quo and the stakes were never high even with Unicron involved.
The last good Transformers show was Animated actually it was the only decent Transformers show besides Beast Wars and Beast Machines everything else is entertaining but actually bad quality.
77Prime84 wrote:When will Hasbro get this?
When will we get something better?
Never we won't because even once Bay leaves Hasbro is going to get someone else to do the exact same thing because that's how life and business work and there will never be a director who has the same obsessed romanticized view that we have of the franchise.
All of the stuff we want from a Transformers movie isn't going to happen in our lifetimes assuming of course that the franchise isn't kicked to the curb like GI Joe after a couple years since this franchise is going down hill slowly.
Transformers will never be the powerhouse franchise like Star Wars then again the last few movies have also been entertaining but actually pretty ba.
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They obviously don't "get it" and continue to make the same mistakes for years now and their clearly not changing their minds.
Their a high up there business that don't care about anything else besides getting the money from our wallets like every other company in the world so the will try but not put any real effort to make quality products because they never have so far in the past 30 or so years like heck the original Transformers were recycled from another toyline.
Comment by Deadput
Jun 23, 2017
Seibertron wrote:77Prime84 wrote:When will Hasbro get this?
Hasbro gets it, or else we wouldn't have Transformers Prime. The movies and their stories, are out of their hands if I understand everything correctly. I'm assuming that it's similar to Marvel with FOX. Hasbro handed over most of their rights for control of the Transformers films (if I'm wording this incorrectly, someone please advise immediately) over to Paramount and Michael Bay waaaay back in 2001/2002 when these deals were originally made.
But I assure you, Hasbro gets it! Promise!!!
They obviously don't "get it" and continue to make the same mistakes for years now and their clearly not changing their minds.
Their a high up there business that don't care about anything else besides getting the money from our wallets like every other company in the world so the will try but not put any real effort to make quality products because they never have so far in the past 30 or so years like heck the original Transformers were recycled from another toyline.
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I've never cared for any TF TV show. None have appealed to me. Sure I sometimes watched the G1 cartoon cos it was there but to me it paled in comparison not just to the Marvel UK comics but also to almost every other action cartoon of the 80s. It's idiotic plots and constant production errors annoyed the hell out of me and it amazes me whenever G1 cartoon fans slag off the movies plots when the cartoon was NEVER any better. Even the cartoon's rather enjoyable cinematic outing was simply a blatant Star Wars rip off and I wasn't that fond of Star Wars to start off with (in fact I detest the vast majority of the supposedly best SW film, the Empire Strikes Back. Good start, good end, BORING AS HELL MIDDLE! F*** YOU, YODA, YOU TEDIOUS GOBLIN MUPPET THING) made purely to sell a whole range of new toys while trying to convince you the ones you'd been collecting the past year or two were obsolete.
Animated is by far my least fave not just for the (in my opinion) awful aesthetics and character designs but some of the most terrible characters in all of TF fiction particularly in the first season. It was the show that made me think ehhh, Armada & it's follow ups probably weren't that bad (they were but I disliked Animated even more). Armada sure had a good video game in the form of that PS2 title released by Atari though. First proper good TF game in my opinion.
I still find Beast Wars and Beast Machines too much of an eyesore to be able to even try get into those. I did watch the first season of Beast Wars but again I just couldn't get into it whether the writing, voice acting or the lousy CGI (low budget 90's CGI never did it for me whether in full CGI shows like Beast Wars and Reboot or even the godawful video game trend of pre-rendered 3D sprites and stuff. Properly defined pixel art almost always looked better).
Yes I'd like a bit more depth to the movie characters and it pisses me off that IDW stopped doing comics that helped with it a couple movies back. It's about the only damn use I had for IDW Transformers and I bought all of them back then. But still the movies provide the joy and excitement to me of seeing beautifully complex realistically designed transforming robots convincingly brought into an actual real-world live action environment with lots of action, gorgeous visuals and entertainment which has had me buy all four previous films on Blu Ray with the fifth a definite purchase too and kept me buying Transformers action figures along the way largely from the movies. I've bought some from various other G1-styled TF toylines such as Classics, Generations or Titans Return but sold most of them on now cos they just don't appeal to me in their designs the way the movie designs do both in robot or alt-modes mostly keeping just the ones that appeal to me on a deeper level than just 'cool toy' or have a sentimental reason for being still in my collection.
Sorry for going on. I'll stop there, even after deleting much more stuff I had typed. Just a bit fed up of always being made to feel like a worthless idiot cos I love something that gets bad reviews when I often find highly praised stuff not to my tastes (seriously though how many people have a large collection of winners of the best picture oscar amongst their very most fave movies ever?). I love what I love. Can't help it. When there's so much that just doesn't do it for me at all (am really not into MCU, game of thrones, walking dead, harry potter, jurassic park, lord of the rings etc) in this world I do find myself getting very passionate about the stuff I do enjoy.
Again sorry for this. I guess i just needed to type this stuff out of my head I guess. Maybe I should take another break. I don't want to offend or annoy anyone on this forum. I'll leave this topic though alone at least for now. Sorry
Comment by Carnivius_Prime
Jun 23, 2017
Deadput wrote:The last good Transformers show was Animated actually it was the only decent Transformers show besides Beast Wars and Beast Machines everything else is entertaining but actually bad quality.
I've never cared for any TF TV show. None have appealed to me. Sure I sometimes watched the G1 cartoon cos it was there but to me it paled in comparison not just to the Marvel UK comics but also to almost every other action cartoon of the 80s. It's idiotic plots and constant production errors annoyed the hell out of me and it amazes me whenever G1 cartoon fans slag off the movies plots when the cartoon was NEVER any better. Even the cartoon's rather enjoyable cinematic outing was simply a blatant Star Wars rip off and I wasn't that fond of Star Wars to start off with (in fact I detest the vast majority of the supposedly best SW film, the Empire Strikes Back. Good start, good end, BORING AS HELL MIDDLE! F*** YOU, YODA, YOU TEDIOUS GOBLIN MUPPET THING) made purely to sell a whole range of new toys while trying to convince you the ones you'd been collecting the past year or two were obsolete.
Animated is by far my least fave not just for the (in my opinion) awful aesthetics and character designs but some of the most terrible characters in all of TF fiction particularly in the first season. It was the show that made me think ehhh, Armada & it's follow ups probably weren't that bad (they were but I disliked Animated even more). Armada sure had a good video game in the form of that PS2 title released by Atari though. First proper good TF game in my opinion.
I still find Beast Wars and Beast Machines too much of an eyesore to be able to even try get into those. I did watch the first season of Beast Wars but again I just couldn't get into it whether the writing, voice acting or the lousy CGI (low budget 90's CGI never did it for me whether in full CGI shows like Beast Wars and Reboot or even the godawful video game trend of pre-rendered 3D sprites and stuff. Properly defined pixel art almost always looked better).
Yes I'd like a bit more depth to the movie characters and it pisses me off that IDW stopped doing comics that helped with it a couple movies back. It's about the only damn use I had for IDW Transformers and I bought all of them back then. But still the movies provide the joy and excitement to me of seeing beautifully complex realistically designed transforming robots convincingly brought into an actual real-world live action environment with lots of action, gorgeous visuals and entertainment which has had me buy all four previous films on Blu Ray with the fifth a definite purchase too and kept me buying Transformers action figures along the way largely from the movies. I've bought some from various other G1-styled TF toylines such as Classics, Generations or Titans Return but sold most of them on now cos they just don't appeal to me in their designs the way the movie designs do both in robot or alt-modes mostly keeping just the ones that appeal to me on a deeper level than just 'cool toy' or have a sentimental reason for being still in my collection.
Sorry for going on. I'll stop there, even after deleting much more stuff I had typed. Just a bit fed up of always being made to feel like a worthless idiot cos I love something that gets bad reviews when I often find highly praised stuff not to my tastes (seriously though how many people have a large collection of winners of the best picture oscar amongst their very most fave movies ever?). I love what I love. Can't help it. When there's so much that just doesn't do it for me at all (am really not into MCU, game of thrones, walking dead, harry potter, jurassic park, lord of the rings etc) in this world I do find myself getting very passionate about the stuff I do enjoy.
Again sorry for this. I guess i just needed to type this stuff out of my head I guess. Maybe I should take another break. I don't want to offend or annoy anyone on this forum. I'll leave this topic though alone at least for now. Sorry
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Comment by dragons
Jun 23, 2017
I went as fan of movies and as fan of transformers could be worse we get two movies like gijoe end of movies and we all we have to talk about comics, toys games tv shows and convention news before movies came along and transformers was not as popular back then then they are now
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The ending is great too, I liked watching them slice the watermelon. Also the Prime costume they had was pretty neat.
Comment by WreckerJack
Jun 23, 2017
SillyMcGilly wrote:This is the manliest manly Transformers video EVER. It's WICKED.
The ending is great too, I liked watching them slice the watermelon. Also the Prime costume they had was pretty neat.
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Yeah Seibs wrote the review in the right place, this is where we discuss the film, when we dont dive into spoilers.
As for the 3D, once again we are in great agreement, Rodimus! On really cool thing about this film was how the 3D never melted away into the background. It never let up, I was very impressed with that. But of course, all my beefs are with the film, not the 3D, and I would rather have a great 2D movie than a 3D film which I wish I didnt pay for.
We are talking about different things here. Saying Hasbro doesnt get it because of how crappy some films are is like saying Marvel doesnt get it because look at how crappy X-Men Origins Wolverine was. We are talking about 2 different creative forces. Hasbro does not have the movie rights to Transformers. I am 100% certain that John Warden, the head Transformers designer at Hasbro, would much rather have a more G1 like film with an emphasis on the robots. But he isnt behind the wheel, Paramount is, and Michael Bay.
Comment by william-james88
Jun 23, 2017
Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, we do have the review thread, which include spoilers, even though your posts didn't:Seibertron wrote:Hm ... should I have put my review in a different topic? I didn't mean it to turn into my review, but it seems like it started to happen that way.
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And personally, I feel bad for you not being able to enjoy 3D, this TF film in particular looked amazing in that format.
Yeah Seibs wrote the review in the right place, this is where we discuss the film, when we dont dive into spoilers.
As for the 3D, once again we are in great agreement, Rodimus! On really cool thing about this film was how the 3D never melted away into the background. It never let up, I was very impressed with that. But of course, all my beefs are with the film, not the 3D, and I would rather have a great 2D movie than a 3D film which I wish I didnt pay for.
Deadput wrote:Seibertron wrote:77Prime84 wrote:When will Hasbro get this?
Hasbro gets it, or else we wouldn't have Transformers Prime. The movies and their stories, are out of their hands if I understand everything correctly. I'm assuming that it's similar to Marvel with FOX. Hasbro handed over most of their rights for control of the Transformers films (if I'm wording this incorrectly, someone please advise immediately) over to Paramount and Michael Bay waaaay back in 2001/2002 when these deals were originally made.
But I assure you, Hasbro gets it! Promise!!!
They obviously don't "get it" and continue to make the same mistakes for years now and their clearly not changing their minds.
We are talking about different things here. Saying Hasbro doesnt get it because of how crappy some films are is like saying Marvel doesnt get it because look at how crappy X-Men Origins Wolverine was. We are talking about 2 different creative forces. Hasbro does not have the movie rights to Transformers. I am 100% certain that John Warden, the head Transformers designer at Hasbro, would much rather have a more G1 like film with an emphasis on the robots. But he isnt behind the wheel, Paramount is, and Michael Bay.
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Jun 23, 2017
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Comment by Dagon
Jun 23, 2017
I'm not saying anything here, but I'm just saying that Seibertrons' completely objective review was that there were a number of good things, and the bad thing about the movie was that he saw it in 3D.
The situation you're describing is nothing at all like the Cube or the Matrix or the Space Bridge from the first, second or third movies, or any of the various characters who show up on screen and then disappear without any development at all like Brawl or Blackout or Jolt or Grindor or Ravage or Demolisher or the other Constructicons or Barracade prior to TLK or the Dinobots in AOE or the construction vehicle guy in the junkyard or Megatrons' gang or Infernocus in TLK.
Deadput wrote:77Prime84 wrote:
In my opinion, the best iteration of TF ever was TF: Prime.
The story was only relic hunts with relics that were mostly never used or spoken of again besides the season premiers and finales, there was no character development since either people forget all their progress (Arcee) or their killed off because the writers couldn't do squat with them (Breakdown, Dreadwing) and the show was hardly emotional especially since it hardly left the status quo and the stakes were never high even with Unicron involved.
The situation you're describing is nothing at all like the Cube or the Matrix or the Space Bridge from the first, second or third movies, or any of the various characters who show up on screen and then disappear without any development at all like Brawl or Blackout or Jolt or Grindor or Ravage or Demolisher or the other Constructicons or Barracade prior to TLK or the Dinobots in AOE or the construction vehicle guy in the junkyard or Megatrons' gang or Infernocus in TLK.
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We are on the same wavelength here. Went in as a Transformers fan, came out as one. Enjoyed it for what it is, acknowledges that it is no where near perfect, but still enjoyed it as a fan anyway. Went and saw it again tonight. Will post some additional thoughts over in the TLK thread.
And also, are we really saying that since Seibertron got to go to the red carpet release and got to hang out with everyone there, that they are making him or he is choosing to suck up to them by writing it was good? Are we really that sour? Seibertron's post basically said the same thing that several other members said, with good and bad mixed in and his take on it. Is it really hard to believe those are actual thoughts?
Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Jun 23, 2017
dragons wrote:I went as fan of movies and as fan of transformers could be worse we get two movies like gijoe end of movies and we all we have to talk about comics, toys games tv shows and convention news before movies came along and transformers was not as popular back then then they are now
We are on the same wavelength here. Went in as a Transformers fan, came out as one. Enjoyed it for what it is, acknowledges that it is no where near perfect, but still enjoyed it as a fan anyway. Went and saw it again tonight. Will post some additional thoughts over in the TLK thread.
And also, are we really saying that since Seibertron got to go to the red carpet release and got to hang out with everyone there, that they are making him or he is choosing to suck up to them by writing it was good? Are we really that sour? Seibertron's post basically said the same thing that several other members said, with good and bad mixed in and his take on it. Is it really hard to believe those are actual thoughts?
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For the record, in case and before this turns into a real thing, that's not what I was saying, or was even suggesting. My comment was that the criticism of the movie was not a thing of the movie, but of the format it was seen in. If I'm lactose intolerant and I go to a pizza place and can't eat the pizza, and then use that as my criticism of the establishment, I'm not actually critiquing the food, but rather its format. Saying the 3D bothers you doesn't actually make any statement on the movie, but on the 3D itself. That's all I was saying.
Comment by Dagon
Jun 23, 2017
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:dragons wrote:I went as fan of movies and as fan of transformers could be worse we get two movies like gijoe end of movies and we all we have to talk about comics, toys games tv shows and convention news before movies came along and transformers was not as popular back then then they are now
We are on the same wavelength here. Went in as a Transformers fan, came out as one. Enjoyed it for what it is, acknowledges that it is no where near perfect, but still enjoyed it as a fan anyway. Went and saw it again tonight. Will post some additional thoughts over in the TLK thread.
And also, are we really saying that since Seibertron got to go to the red carpet release and got to hang out with everyone there, that they are making him or he is choosing to suck up to them by writing it was good? Are we really that sour? Seibertron's post basically said the same thing that several other members said, with good and bad mixed in and his take on it. Is it really hard to believe those are actual thoughts?
For the record, in case and before this turns into a real thing, that's not what I was saying, or was even suggesting. My comment was that the criticism of the movie was not a thing of the movie, but of the format it was seen in. If I'm lactose intolerant and I go to a pizza place and can't eat the pizza, and then use that as my criticism of the establishment, I'm not actually critiquing the food, but rather its format. Saying the 3D bothers you doesn't actually make any statement on the movie, but on the 3D itself. That's all I was saying.
