Video Review of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG46 Targetmaster Kup

Albatross250 wrote:More listings on Loopaza

https://www.facebook.com/loopaza/posts/1603216749739834

Target Master Topspin and Twintwist
Seaspray and Lione (?) were also listed

TLK Nitro Zeus is listed too.




OK GUYS, RED ALERT, STAR WARS CROSSOVER IS COMING BACK!

Funnily enough I vaguely remember something about the crossover comeback a while back, but heard nothing since, just hope they update the vehicles to coincide with the current movies ect

Thanks to fellow Seibertronian Albatross250, and with the previous image found on Loopaza MegaStore's Facebook page, we have confirmation of those Takara Tomy Transformers Legends figures reported here.

Specifically, we're looking at March 2018 releases of LG64 Seaspray and Lione (Sawback), LG65 Target master Twin Twist, LG66 Target Master Top Spin! Still no image available, but we do have price points in Yen of 2000 and 4000 respectively, meaning 17 USD and 35 USD at the time of writing. (Also included in the image appear to be reissues of MPM-3 Bumblebee and TLK-25 Nitro Zeus.)

So Twintwist and Topspin are officially Targetmaster-Headmaster-Jumpstarter-Wreckers. Talk about ambitious. I'll probably end up getting those two over the Hasbro versions for the Targetmasters. Seaspray depends entirely on if I can find a Hasbro version before Power of the Primes starts.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:So Twintwist and Topspin are officially Targetmaster-Headmaster-Jumpstarter-Wreckers. Talk about ambitious.

Lol. They just want to be friends with everyone.

Obviously the Prime Masters are a repurposing of the Titan Masters. The PoTP deluxes will be able to combine with voyagers like traditional Combiner Wars, but also repurposed to combine with each other (Dreadwind and Blackwing). With that in mind I wouldn't say some traditional Titan Masters are out-of-the-question for a late wave PoTP, like the Autobot "shooty-men".

Takara's Kup version is so much better it's not even funny.

Sodan-1 wrote:

Emerje wrote:So Twintwist and Topspin are officially Targetmaster-Headmaster-Jumpstarter-Wreckers. Talk about ambitious.

Lol. They just want to be friends with everyone.

Obviously the Prime Masters are a repurposing of the Titan Masters. The PoTP deluxes will be able to combine with voyagers like traditional Combiner Wars, but also repurposed to combine with each other (Dreadwind and Blackwing). With that in mind I wouldn't say some traditional Titan Masters are out-of-the-question for a late wave PoTP, like the Autobot "shooty-men".

Um, the only 2 deluxe figures that have been shown to combine together are Dreadwind and Blackwing, so I wouldn't go expecting that for every one. It makes much more sense that the feature is unique to them as they were in G1.

I'm also pretty sure Hasbro as commented on no new head/titan masters in PoTP. So I would say the Autobot shooty men are out of the question for PoTP, at least as head/titan masters. Remember, none of the PoTP figures have the removable head and only the legends scale have cockpits that I am aware of. It would be highly unusual for them to change mid-line.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Takara's Kup version is so much better it's not even funny.

I sort of agree, but don't mind the Hasbro version though. However, with both of them, the "flat-back" syndrome struck again which really bothers me. There's so much going on with the legs that I wish they had figured out a better way to distribute the figure's parts so that he had a traditional backpack or something to beef up his upper back. I feel the same way about Sharkticon Gnaw, who could have been easily remedied if the top half of the "shark" head was attached to his back instead of his legs. They both remind me of "flat back" variant of MOTU Two-Bad, which is the less desired version of the two.

Emerje wrote:So Twintwist and Topspin are officially Targetmaster-Headmaster-Jumpstarter-Wreckers. Talk about ambitious. I'll probably end up getting those two over the Hasbro versions for the Targetmasters. Seaspray depends entirely on if I can find a Hasbro version before Power of the Primes starts.

Emerje

My local 1walmart has just gotten a few of them, plus Cosmos....

I apologize in advance for you not being able to look at your Kup toys the same way again but b_croco on Twitter has revealed something that slipped under our collective radar for months: Kup is misassembled. The panels on his legs that cover his wheels are on the wrong sides where the panel covering the right wheel should be on the left and vice versa. How do we know? Well look at your Kup and check how the central line between the two decorative boxes does not line up with the line extending beyond it. In truth, by switching those panels, those lines would line up, and the images below that show a fixed Legends Kup, show that. In reality the smaller box should always be closer to the vehicle, which is not the case of any Kup assembled at the factory.

We have images below showing the problem on both versions along with what a fixed version looks like. The fixing looks very tedious though.

The Kup fix just looks like pop off the panels and swap them. I take it it isn't that simple???

Sodan-1 wrote:The Kup fix just looks like pop off the panels and swap them. I take it it isn't that simple???

One of the photos clearly shows the use of some kind of SAW. That's where I draw the line If I have to saw up a figure to fix it, then I'll just keep it the way it is, thanks

Sodan-1 wrote:The Kup fix just looks like pop off the panels and swap them. I take it it isn't that simple???

Nope, as the panels in question also accommodates the rivets the wheels are connected with. That explains the saw used. Also, Tribute Orion Pax has the same problem.

I still can't see or understand what's going on with Kup's supposed parts problems. The photos look like a jumbled mess.

As for Hotrod's comic, it's typical "Sikomofo" up to his usual, purile tricks again. He's not exactly the best thing to happen to Japan, or transformers, is he...

primalxconvoy wrote:I still can't see or understand what's going on with Kup's supposed parts problems. The photos look like a jumbled mess.

It's purely looks, but the space between the two compartments in question does not line up with the notch above them, creating a jagged effect.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I still can't see or understand what's going on with Kup's supposed parts problems. The photos look like a jumbled mess.

It's purely looks, but the space between the two compartments in question does not line up with the notch above them, creating a jagged effect.

Yeah, it took me about 5 minutes just to see what the issue was. I'm normally pretty OCD about my figures being as perfect as possible, but this is such a small detail, it doesn't even show up on my OCDometer.

Hey guys, can we not do this again? Thanks.

Hey, not sure if this is "newsworthy", it as a follow up to the Facebook article, it might be worth noting that BBTS has pre-orders up for Lione Seasrpay etc. as well as GodFireConvoy.

Seaspray and Lione @ BBTS 19.99
Top Spin
Twin Twist

So on Kup, is anyone really bothered enough about knowing the leg panels were mis-assembled to actually cut into them and swap them?

Big fat NOPE here.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:So on Kup, is anyone really bothered enough about knowing the leg panels were mis-assembled to actually cut into them and swap them?

Big fat NOPE here.

Not even close. My Tribute Orion Pax doesn't like to cooperate with the leg-panels lining up in vehicle mode so this was originally a ray of hope for me - maybe it's a misassembly that can be fixed, however bad? thought my naive self. Nope, just an aesthetic misassembly that doesn't affect the figure; I guess I'm still just doing it wrong. Still good to know about though, I suppose

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sodan-1 wrote:The Kup fix just looks like pop off the panels and swap them. I take it it isn't that simple???

Nope, as the panels in question also accommodates the rivets the wheels are connected with. That explains the saw used.

I see. Sod that, then.

Talking of Tribute Orion Pax, can anyone with both him and a version of Kup check to see if the mis-assembly applies to him as well?

If the product images are anything to go by, Orion Pax also suffers from the misassembly.

The Kup panels alone don't really bug me that much, but I do feel like an overall sloppiness has crept in when it comes to assembling the figures.

I had to replace my Blitzwing because he came with two left feet, My Octone has the problem with the cab section not closing properly because one side is crooked. Then there was Trypicon.

I've had other figures I've had to return or replace parts for because they came mis-assembled. I don't remember having the problem as much as I see it now, but maybe it's just me.

RiddlerJ wrote:The Kup panels alone don't really bug me that much, but I do feel like an overall sloppiness has crept in when it comes to assembling the figures.

I had to replace my Blitzwing because he came with two left feet, My Octone has the problem with the cab section not closing properly because one side is crooked. Then there was Trypicon.

I've had other figures I've had to return or replace parts for because they came mis-assembled. I don't remember having the problem as much as I see it now, but maybe it's just me.

I wonder if anyone would have pegged an assembly issue with Kup if there hadnt been so many more obvious QC issues? And if so, I wonder how many asthetic QC issues have gotten past us as a fandom, particularly before the internet allowed us to keep such a vocal record

Usually this is something that (Takara fans?) people would say was mainly a Hasbro problem, however, IMO, I've noticed more QA problems with products and customer service at Takara since Tomy bought them out/merged with them.

Kurona wrote:Talking of Tribute Orion Pax, can anyone with both him and a version of Kup check to see if the mis-assembly applies to him as well?

Can confirm looking at mine. I think Jelze also noted the same problem with hers a few posts back? So on top of the stock images featuring the misassembly, I think it's safe to say that every iteration of this mold so far has had the "problem".

TF-fan kev777 wrote:So on Kup, is anyone really bothered enough about knowing the leg panels were mis-assembled to actually cut into them and swap them?

Big fat NOPE here.

Yeah I’ve owned Kup since January and he looks fine he transforms fine and holds together perfectly fine.

This is the biggest nitpick I’ve ever seen.

Black Hat wrote:Man, it's good to see Shaoshao in fiction that isn't blatantly horrific. I do so love anime Chinese girls. Let's hope poor old Atari gets her time to shine again.

I'd have to agree, though there aren't a lot of them. Some people seem slightly offended, though. Japanese media is just sorta like that.

Dude, everything is misassembled these days. MPM Prime, my SDCC Metroplex, Trypticon, MP Ramjet, man... tons of stuff. It's like a new trademark.

Guys, I know I'm not staff and I have no authority, but can we just... not. Not again. Not again again.

thedistinctroom wrote:Dude, everything is misassembled these days. MPM Prime, my SDCC Metroplex, Trypticon, MP Ramjet, man... tons of stuff. It's like a new trademark.

Except Trypticon wasn't misassembled, he just sucked

(Well I guess that one outward-ratchet on the hips was a misassembly, maybe the scary tail ratchet, but my point still stands on most of the major issues.)

So this is what you guys talk about these days? I...I still don't see the problem here




Talking about Kup

thedistinctroom wrote:Dude, everything is misassembled these days. MPM Prime, my SDCC Metroplex, Trypticon, MP Ramjet, man... tons of stuff. It's like a new trademark.

Don't forget Pyra Magna, G2 Onslaught and TFCC Bludgeon. I know that last one isn't official. But still. This one greatly affected Transformation.


Still looking for a skilled modder to fix those pins, by the way.

Takara Legends LG-44 Sharkticon came with a headmaster of a Sweep soldier which could be placed on top of Legends Scourge in order to differentiate Scourge from his Sweeps. Fellow Seibertronian Powered Convoy and b_croco on Twitter took images to show this effect so that you can see how a full armada would look like. It was very witty of Takara to pair this troop building head with the Sharkticon, another troop builder.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:

thedistinctroom wrote:Dude, everything is misassembled these days. MPM Prime, my SDCC Metroplex, Trypticon, MP Ramjet, man... tons of stuff. It's like a new trademark.

Don't forget Pyra Magna, G2 Onslaught and TFCC Bludgeon. I know that last one isn't official. But still. This one greatly affected Transformation.


Still looking for a skilled modder to fix those pins, by the way.

Bludgeon is an official figure. Just because TFCC is no more doesn’t take away their figures’ status as official products. If it’s has Hasbro and or Takaras name on them they are official. And while the knees have a flaw they still fully functional and it doesn’t technically hinder the toy. I didn’t even know about that hinge on hotspot until it was addressed 11 months after owning him.

Qwan wrote:

Kurona wrote:Talking of Tribute Orion Pax, can anyone with both him and a version of Kup check to see if the mis-assembly applies to him as well?

Can confirm looking at mine. I think Jelze also noted the same problem with hers a few posts back? So on top of the stock images featuring the misassembly, I think it's safe to say that every iteration of this mold so far has had the "problem".

I don't have him, I quickly pulled up a YT review on the set. Easy peasy. I do want him for the Deluxe Prime setup, but I'm gonna wait on how the rest of the TR line develops when it comes to availability. I'm gonna stop right there because, well, this is Transformers Legends.

Just saw this post and wanted to share asap for those who are getting the Legends Hot Rod

Olivus Prime wrote:Aaaaand as I suspected, Hot Rod's chest didn't last long, being made out of translucent plastic.

The tight grip between his torso and chest piece meant I had to apply a good amount of force pulling it out for vehicle mode, which resulted in a nasty crack through part of the flame the third time I did it.

I'd suggest filing the sides of the tabs on his chest piece before transforming him too much, if this kind of tight tolerance is widespread.

Man if someone was to describe the fandom nowadays you’d just have to show them the history Titans Return/Legends Kup.

Reveal of art:

oh my god best version of Kup this is awesome!

Reveal of figure:

UGH! Just awful! I’ll wait and see what Takara does! No thanks!

figure is sighted months early at Walgreens:

OH MY GOD! I HAVE TO FIND HIM! I FOUND HIM HES AMAZING!

Takara reveals Legends version:

UGH! GREY!? Worst figure ever! I will only buy 5 so I can recolor a few and have some in package but Titans Return will be ultimate version with their target master!

Takara reveals new images that with cartoon accuracy:

BEST VERSION OF KUP EVER!

Takara releases Legends Kup and one person finds a small design flaw that nobody found in the TR one for 9 months:

...WORST.FIGURE.EVER.

It’s certainly a wild ride.

Randomhero wrote:Takara releases Legends Kup and one person finds a small design flaw that nobody found in the TR one for 9 months:

...THIS LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER TAKARA KUP IS STILL THE BEST THING EVER

FTFY

I haven't seen a single person complaining about the misassembly so far honestly. Near as I can tell, the collective conclusion is "whatever, it doesn't affect the figure and looks fine so we don't care". The rest of the timeline seems pretty accurate to me though

Qwan wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Takara releases Legends Kup and one person finds a small design flaw that nobody found in the TR one for 9 months:

...THIS LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER TAKARA KUP IS STILL THE BEST THING EVER

FTFY

I haven't seen a single person complaining about the misassembly so far honestly. Near as I can tell, the collective conclusion is "whatever, it doesn't affect the figure and looks fine so we don't care". The rest of the timeline seems pretty accurate to me though

Not really. Plenty of people are now just complaining how every figure is busted apparently.

I laughed at the above but it subscribes to the "everyone else on the internet is one person" fallacy.

I see it in politics, geek culture, and here.

Whenever you start down the path of "everyone is so picky and inconsistent", the truth is usually that there are separate groups, some of whom change their minds or are hypocrites occasionally, and they overlap with other people. Treating them as one big group usually leads to problems.

It's kind of like the parable of three blind men arguing about an elephant.

Two or three of those reactions apply to me. But not all of them do. For me, vehicle mode is an action feature more than a priority. So the panel assembly issue is a minor disappointment I won't think twice about unless Hasbro announces a Crosshairs redeco or a Platinum release of the Takara Kup, in which case I'll probably tweet the issue at them for future reference.

The Kup thing is interesting...but its a modification I will not be making. I can live with him as is.

RodimusRex wrote:I laughed at the above but it subscribes to the "everyone else on the internet is one person" fallacy.

I see it in politics, geek culture, and here.

Whenever you start down the path of "everyone is so picky and inconsistent", the truth is usually that there are separate groups, some of whom change their minds or are hypocrites occasionally, and they overlap with other people. Treating them as one big group usually leads to problems.

It's kind of like the parable of three blind men arguing about an elephant.

Two or three of those reactions apply to me. But not all of them do. For me, vehicle mode is an action feature more than a priority. So the panel assembly issue is a minor disappointment I won't think twice about unless Hasbro announces a Crosshairs redeco or a Platinum release of the Takara Kup, in which case I'll probably tweet the issue at them for future reference.

Gonna be waiting a long long time for that crosshairs deco since Titans Return is over and power of the primes gimmick for deluxes is Combiners again.

I still don’t understand why people want that. Crosshairs didn’t even turn into a truck he turned into a buggy thing.

Randomhero wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Takara releases Legends Kup and one person finds a small design flaw that nobody found in the TR one for 9 months:

...THIS LITERALLY DOESN'T MATTER TAKARA KUP IS STILL THE BEST THING EVER

FTFY

I haven't seen a single person complaining about the misassembly so far honestly. Near as I can tell, the collective conclusion is "whatever, it doesn't affect the figure and looks fine so we don't care". The rest of the timeline seems pretty accurate to me though

Not really. Plenty of people are now just complaining how every figure is busted apparently.

Ah, but the complaints are about the existence of issues, not how they actually negatively impact the figures that have them. It's the principle of the thing

I really wish the alternate Scourge head came with a slightly different colour-mapped Scourge, as even if you buy a new scourge for that head, you are always left with an extra scourge head.

Also, this thread featured both the Hotrod manga's two girls, plus the one news item about one Kup...

Randomhero wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:

thedistinctroom wrote:Dude, everything is misassembled these days. MPM Prime, my SDCC Metroplex, Trypticon, MP Ramjet, man... tons of stuff. It's like a new trademark.

Don't forget Pyra Magna, G2 Onslaught and TFCC Bludgeon. I know that last one isn't official. But still. This one greatly affected Transformation.


Still looking for a skilled modder to fix those pins, by the way.

Bludgeon is an official figure. Just because TFCC is no more doesn’t take away their figures’ status as official products. If it’s has Hasbro and or Takaras name on them they are official. And while the knees have a flaw they still fully functional and it doesn’t technically hinder the toy. I didn’t even know about that hinge on hotspot until it was addressed 11 months after owning him.

What problem with the Hot Spot hinge? Mine was fine. Same with Onslaught.

The hinge on the three I mentioned are assembled backwards. Which DOES hinder the toys' bot mode. You can't lock the knee in correctly because of this misassembly. It's a HUGE bummer.

primalxconvoy wrote:Also, this thread featured both the Hotrod manga's two girls, plus the one news item about one Kup...

Yeah, because it's the "Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread" which deals with everything related to the Legends line. Also, I am pretty sure I read Burn saying that if you had any other issue you should either write in to complain or send a PM so as to not derail the thread again as you just did.

These are interesting points! I emailed this site about someone doing a (series of?) story/stories about "controversial" aspects to Transformers, and possibly toylines in general? It might be interesting to go through "the muck" and even see that for some aspects, cartoon companies were damned if they did or didn't include religious icons, etc.

william-james88 wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:Also, this thread featured both the Hotrod manga's two girls, plus the one news item about one Kup...

Yeah, because it's the "Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Thread" which deals with everything related to the Legends line. Also, I am pretty sure I read Burn saying that if you had any other issue you should either write in to complain or send a PM so as to not derail the thread again as you just did.

I'm not sure you understood? It wasn't a complaint; it was a tongue in cheek comment referencing that there "could" be heated discussion involving two girls and one...

I can't go any further as that would make me a hypocrit!

Just making light of the content and moving on.

Randomhero wrote:

RodimusRex wrote:I laughed at the above but it subscribes to the "everyone else on the internet is one person" fallacy.

I see it in politics, geek culture, and here.

Whenever you start down the path of "everyone is so picky and inconsistent", the truth is usually that there are separate groups, some of whom change their minds or are hypocrites occasionally, and they overlap with other people. Treating them as one big group usually leads to problems.

It's kind of like the parable of three blind men arguing about an elephant.

Two or three of those reactions apply to me. But not all of them do. For me, vehicle mode is an action feature more than a priority. So the panel assembly issue is a minor disappointment I won't think twice about unless Hasbro announces a Crosshairs redeco or a Platinum release of the Takara Kup, in which case I'll probably tweet the issue at them for future reference.

Gonna be waiting a long long time for that crosshairs deco since Titans Return is over and power of the primes gimmick for deluxes is Combiners again.

I still don’t understand why people want that. Crosshairs didn’t even turn into a truck he turned into a buggy thing.

Store box sets, Platinum decos, further retools, SDCC exclusives (which often have BOTH Hasbro and TRU exclusives), Hascon exclusives, eHobby, movie line filler, Tribute series... I think we'll see at least half a dozen of these molds again inside five years.

Even the new line has enigmas that use HM sockets (some with faces) and the Last Knight has one true Titan Master and another figure that uses the head socket.

FFS...this thread today...
I'm gonna go finish reading my weekly comics and come back in a few hours and see if this mess has gotten worse.