DarkBowzer wrote:well it looks like besides box set and souvenier sets I will not be spending money at botcon. because if it isnt an affordable tf prime first edition toy or a 3rd party item. they will be saving me money.....
When third party is making your own **** product better than you hasbro/ takara WHAT THE **** DO YOU EXPECT TO HAPPEN?!?!??!?!?
We have asked for a G1 accurate Arcee that turns into a car, they give us excuses.WHen asked about it at last years botcon by my homie they gave a bullshit answer stating "if we do an Arcee it will only be used from the Arcee from the tf prime series. We have asked for numerous triplechangers like an official springer or a blitzwing we get more BS(and dont give me that horse **** about "they did a blitzwing for animated" because quite frankly I dont give a damn. 3rd party is giving us what we ask for in thier own way which actually breaths new life in toys that we would probably throw in a closet or on ebay(because honestly how many people would have kept a naked ultra magnus optimus prime repaint before just dismissing it as a cheesy pallet swap?) As much as I have stood by hasbro and some of the stupid **** they do And now asia is getting all this awesome **** I heard about and we are here in the states high and dry I have to say at this point **** them. I am 3rd party with good quality all the way this year.
Hasbro really needs a Transformers line aimed at the adult collector - it's the niche the 3rd Parties are filling.
Never understood why with all these 3rd party companies out there and all their rabid supporters who are so anti-Hasbro that they've never bothered to develop their own universe, their own characters, something that will set them completely apart from Hasbro and Transformers.
Oh wait, that would require originality, and it's so much easier to rip off an existing character that someone else owns.
Damn I cant even read half the comments due to all BS saying 3rd party is better...I'm sorry but what? HasTak has produced ALOT more awesome toys than ALL 3rd party toys combine. Seriously just cause they produce some crappy toys in PRID line doesnt mean they are getting worse. Everyone have their downfall once in awhile. Oh and to those who wonder what awesome toys?
Well here's some :-
MP-10 Optimus Prime
Leader movieverse Optimus Prime
Unicron
FE Voyager Optimus
FE Voyager Bulkhead
FE Deluxe Cliffjumper
WFC Deluxe Optimus
WFC Deluxe Megatron
I can name more but you get what I'm trying to say. Stop saying BS like "3rd party is so much better" and so on. Jesus christ without HasTak you guys wont even have those memorable 1980s toys. Oh and btw HasTak have every rights to ban 3rd party products based on TF. Stop whining about them trying to ban the 3rd party products. If it were up to me I wish ALL 3rd party toys got banned to the point selling them can get you arrested.
PS : Dont expect me to reply..I wont be checking this topic ever again.
GetRightRobot wrote:And just a general comment, PERSONALLY, I don't collect cool transforming robots. I collect TRANSFORMERS and most of my buying decisions are based on the character, not the toy. If it is a Character (or not-character) I really don't care who makes it. I want to throw 100% support to Has/Tak, but right now, they just aren't selling me. Now the new MP Sideswipe, most of the WFC, ofcourse, sold.
Che wrote:As a matter of fact, I have a question: if a company make a whole new character with unique colors and design, unique name, own faction (or no faction, an outcast, no autobot, no decepticon) but still inside the transformers universe (I mean, some new figure that the bio in the box somehow link it to unicron, primus etc), would that still be a problem?
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Yes it would be. The fact that "Transformers" or any other name linked to it by trademark would be mentioned, yes that would be a BIG problem. Why do you think the 3rd party figures carry such bland generic names? Just to be clear, you can't claim copyright on names, but you can claim copyright on what you create, that includes fiction like back stories and characters.
Che wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Yes it would be. The fact that "Transformers" or any other name linked to it by trademark would be mentioned, yes that would be a BIG problem. Why do you think the 3rd party figures carry such bland generic names? Just to be clear, you can't claim copyright on names, but you can claim copyright on what you create, that includes fiction like back stories and characters.
Yes, of course, I understand that you can't mess with trademark (that's why I even thought of it being an outcast inside that universe), but I was thinking about that thin gray line between what would be original and what would be illegal. In this scenario, the whole character would be new, an addition to that universe, the only thing linking it to that universe being the bio (and even so slightly). That would be much less mess with copyrights than trying to sell fanfictions or hercules). I am saying that because a contribution like that seems to me more reasonable than create a whole new parallel universe with ridiculous names for similar characters (like, for example, Secondus instead of Primus =P) just to avoid copyrights.
Che wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:And just a general comment, PERSONALLY, I don't collect cool transforming robots. I collect TRANSFORMERS and most of my buying decisions are based on the character, not the toy. If it is a Character (or not-character) I really don't care who makes it. I want to throw 100% support to Has/Tak, but right now, they just aren't selling me. Now the new MP Sideswipe, most of the WFC, ofcourse, sold.
Interesting, I'm somehow the opposite. I guess I collect transforming robots because I don't pay too much attention to the character. I mean, I would buy an obscure figure as long as its is cool and well done. I am kind of tired to see always optimus, bumblebee, megatron and starscream. I really wish new ideas were coming up.
As a matter of fact, I have a question: if a company make a whole new character with unique colors and design, unique name, own faction (or no faction, an outcast, no autobot, no decepticon) but still inside the transformers universe (I mean, some new figure that the bio in the box somehow link it to unicron, primus etc), would that still be a problem?
RhA wrote:Che wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:And just a general comment, PERSONALLY, I don't collect cool transforming robots. I collect TRANSFORMERS and most of my buying decisions are based on the character, not the toy. If it is a Character (or not-character) I really don't care who makes it. I want to throw 100% support to Has/Tak, but right now, they just aren't selling me. Now the new MP Sideswipe, most of the WFC, ofcourse, sold.
Interesting, I'm somehow the opposite. I guess I collect transforming robots because I don't pay too much attention to the character. I mean, I would buy an obscure figure as long as its is cool and well done. I am kind of tired to see always optimus, bumblebee, megatron and starscream. I really wish new ideas were coming up.
As a matter of fact, I have a question: if a company make a whole new character with unique colors and design, unique name, own faction (or no faction, an outcast, no autobot, no decepticon) but still inside the transformers universe (I mean, some new figure that the bio in the box somehow link it to unicron, primus etc), would that still be a problem?
Is Drift a problem?
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:RhA wrote:Che wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:And just a general comment, PERSONALLY, I don't collect cool transforming robots. I collect TRANSFORMERS and most of my buying decisions are based on the character, not the toy. If it is a Character (or not-character) I really don't care who makes it. I want to throw 100% support to Has/Tak, but right now, they just aren't selling me. Now the new MP Sideswipe, most of the WFC, ofcourse, sold.
Interesting, I'm somehow the opposite. I guess I collect transforming robots because I don't pay too much attention to the character. I mean, I would buy an obscure figure as long as its is cool and well done. I am kind of tired to see always optimus, bumblebee, megatron and starscream. I really wish new ideas were coming up.
As a matter of fact, I have a question: if a company make a whole new character with unique colors and design, unique name, own faction (or no faction, an outcast, no autobot, no decepticon) but still inside the transformers universe (I mean, some new figure that the bio in the box somehow link it to unicron, primus etc), would that still be a problem?
Is Drift a problem?
No, because he was drawn for a Transformers comic, thus became part of Hasbro's IP. Death's Head however, is Marvel property.
RhA wrote::lol: Is Drift a problem?
Burn wrote:Never understood why with all these 3rd party companies out there and all their rabid supporters who are so anti-Hasbro that they've never bothered to develop their own universe, their own characters, something that will set them completely apart from Hasbro and Transformers.
Oh wait, that would require originality, and it's so much easier to rip off an existing character that someone else owns.
Che wrote:RhA wrote::lol: Is Drift a problem?
Forgot that!
Drift is the official outcast
metaphorge wrote:to say nothing of what improvements in 3-D printing technology will do for our collections. In the future, we may be downloading our toys, either to print at home or at a neighborhood printing center.
metaphorge wrote:Enlightened self interest, y'all. Learn what it is for you, and then work towards it (and expect both Hasbro and third party manufacturers to do the same).
Vicalliose wrote:The issue to me here is they state that the majority of their profits come from children under 13 and they treat the Club as just something to throw the collectors market a bone, yet they treat 3rd party companies as if they are somehow capable of damaging their profits. Legal implications aside they simply should not care.
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