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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:I think you guys are missing the point of Haslab. This is a way to get products out there that would never make it to regular retail. Omega and Scorponok would be regular retail releases like the other titans before them. So this isn't a "one or the other" type thing, it's an extra outlet for the more collector oriented market.
Well that's not strictly true in any event. Scorponok and Omega Supreme were already looked over once in a fan poll, for Trypticon. I tie these points together because even after releasing one name only from the poll, they have dismissed the rest of the list entirely. Be it HasTak or HasLab, their track record demonstrates it is and will always be one or the other.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Further proof of this being in their Other Collector orientated Line: The MP Collection. You don't get to choose who you want, you get to select from options they want to make. Which of course their home fanbase is the only region that gets even that level of input.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
william-james88 wrote:steals_your_goats wrote: Scorponok have cybertronian at modes.
There are scorpions on Cybertron?
Delta Magnus wrote:This is because you are a hamhanded idiot.
TheForgottenTaxi wrote:I'm kind of amazed at the lack of excitement I'm seeing on here. Who DOESN'T want an unrealistically excellent Unicron figure to finally exist?
Let's be serious -- this is going to happen, right? I find it hard to believe Hasbro has many things to do with Haslabs that are better than this. If you're not doing this, why have the platform at all? I bet it was the first thing on the board when they proposed Haslabs as a project.
And when it happens -- well when it happens I'm going to have to have a long conversation with my wife about my need for this 3' toy that we have no room for in our house.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:The only 'track record' is Hasbro releasing one titan per year since Metroplex. If anything, the release of Predaking is evidence of is the success of Devastator, and has no bearing on a likely release of Omega Supreme or Scorponok down the road.
steals_your_goats wrote:william-james88 wrote:steals_your_goats wrote: Scorponok have cybertronian at modes.
There are scorpions on Cybertron?
I don't know I've never been therebut you can't honestly tell me that Scorponok looks anything like an Earth scorpion apart from the same basic shape.
All they have to do is rename it the Hasbro Fans Toys Lab or something like that for marketing clarity. Then droves of fans will have no problem overpaying for a huge figure that takes years to make and will have a goofy face and at least one really irritating QC problem, with one or both of those issues fixed by parts included with the next figure. They'll be praised and loved for it.megatronus wrote: My understanding is that Transformers fans tend to have less expendable income than, say, Star Wars or Marvel fans, so support for or ability to fund a more-expensive-than-Titan project is genuine question.
william-james88 wrote:steals_your_goats wrote: Scorponok have cybertronian at modes.
There are scorpions on Cybertron?
william-james88 wrote:However, it does mean that they are not planning for Unicron as a titan class figure, right?
ScottyP wrote:All they have to do is rename it the Hasbro Fans Toys Lab or something like that for marketing clarity. Then droves of fans will have no problem overpaying for a huge figure that takes years to make and will have a goofy face and at least one really irritating QC problem, with one or both of those issues fixed by parts included with the next figure. They'll be praised and loved for it.megatronus wrote: My understanding is that Transformers fans tend to have less expendable income than, say, Star Wars or Marvel fans, so support for or ability to fund a more-expensive-than-Titan project is genuine question.
I think I started to describe something else at some point, hmm...
ScottyP wrote:For real though, I think it's weird to feel a need to gauge interest for a project to be potentially put on a platform designed to gauge interest, just with actual dollars. I realize there's some R&D involved but maybe Transformers could get away with funding based on CAD designs since they're implicitly more complicated?
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Galactic Prime wrote:Unless it's a 100 dollar Canadian Unicron, it's over priced
megatronus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:I think you guys are missing the point of Haslab. This is a way to get products out there that would never make it to regular retail. Omega and Scorponok would be regular retail releases like the other titans before them. So this isn't a "one or the other" type thing, it's an extra outlet for the more collector oriented market.
Well that's not strictly true in any event. Scorponok and Omega Supreme were already looked over once in a fan poll, for Trypticon. I tie these points together because even after releasing one name only from the poll, they have dismissed the rest of the list entirely. Be it HasTak or HasLab, their track record demonstrates it is and will always be one or the other.
You can't look at the results of the fan poll and say Hasbro looked over Omega Supreme and Scorponok for the release. To say that these two characters have been 'dismissed' is likewise ridiculous.
megatronus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Further proof of this being in their Other Collector orientated Line: The MP Collection. You don't get to choose who you want, you get to select from options they want to make. Which of course their home fanbase is the only region that gets even that level of input.
Hasbro and Takara coordinate to a large extent, but you can't take a Takara-driven as evidence of any Hasbro-driven decisions.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Beyond say 30" at the most, he is no longer a toy - he's cosplay.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Based on what? Whatever the winning result of Trypticon was, there would naturally be a second, third etc place in the poll. A gauge of interest in these characters/toys. Moving on to Predaking from a new poll/list, would logically suggest only the one winning name (and corresponding votes) in the previous poll was valid. That the other votes that weren't for Trypticon were superfluous.megatronus wrote:You can't look at the results of the fan poll and say Hasbro looked over Omega Supreme and Scorponok for the release. To say that these two characters have been 'dismissed' is likewise ridiculous.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not? Again, what I'm saying is based on what's been presented to us by the releases of Hasbro/Takara. Were the fanbases of US/UK/Europe/Australia et al polled on the list including MP Star Saber? Would the Western TF fanbase vote for the Takara series representation at all??megatronus wrote:Hasbro and Takara coordinate to a large extent, but you can't take a Takara-driven line as evidence of any Hasbro-driven decisions.
As has been explained to me, the flooding of Autobots over Decepticons in most TF lines, is a decision based on the trends of the Japanese market. I can only infer that joint decisions are agreed in these release schedules by Hasbro and Takara.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
megatronus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Based on what? Whatever the winning result of Trypticon was, there would naturally be a second, third etc place in the poll. A gauge of interest in these characters/toys. Moving on to Predaking from a new poll/list, would logically suggest only the one winning name (and corresponding votes) in the previous poll was valid. That the other votes that weren't for Trypticon were superfluous.megatronus wrote:You can't look at the results of the fan poll and say Hasbro looked over Omega Supreme and Scorponok for the release. To say that these two characters have been 'dismissed' is likewise ridiculous.
Based on the fact that we don't have complete information. You're making a weird assumption in claiming that because Scorponok and Omega Supreme haven't been made yet, that they won't be made. The decision to release Predaking as the PotP Titan has literally zero bearing, from our outsider, not-in-the-know view, of what Hasbro's planning in the War For Cybertron trilogy.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not? Again, what I'm saying is based on what's been presented to us by the releases of Hasbro/Takara. Were the fanbases of US/UK/Europe/Australia et al polled on the list including MP Star Saber? Would the Western TF fanbase vote for the Takara series representation at all??megatronus wrote:Hasbro and Takara coordinate to a large extent, but you can't take a Takara-driven line as evidence of any Hasbro-driven decisions.
As has been explained to me, the flooding of Autobots over Decepticons in most TF lines, is a decision based on the trends of the Japanese market. I can only infer that joint decisions are agreed in these release schedules by Hasbro and Takara.
megatronus wrote:william-james88 wrote:However, it does mean that they are not planning for Unicron as a titan class figure, right?
I don't think we can derive anything about Hasbro's plans from this - we're just speculating. For all we know, they may have been planning a Unicron anyway, but buzz about HasLab may push them to make it better. It's really all up in the air right now, and we're just trying to show them whether we would care about such a project, or not.
I would like to see a 30"-36" Unicron. I really don't understand the folks going on about exact scale - he's a planet, there's no way he would ever be in scale with anything. But showing his relative importance/dominance/scale by making him larger than the current 24" Titans is important, methinks.ScottyP wrote:All they have to do is rename it the Hasbro Fans Toys Lab or something like that for marketing clarity. Then droves of fans will have no problem overpaying for a huge figure that takes years to make and will have a goofy face and at least one really irritating QC problem, with one or both of those issues fixed by parts included with the next figure. They'll be praised and loved for it.megatronus wrote: My understanding is that Transformers fans tend to have less expendable income than, say, Star Wars or Marvel fans, so support for or ability to fund a more-expensive-than-Titan project is genuine question.
I think I started to describe something else at some point, hmm...
I see what you did there... your snark has a special place in my heart.ScottyP wrote:For real though, I think it's weird to feel a need to gauge interest for a project to be potentially put on a platform designed to gauge interest, just with actual dollars. I realize there's some R&D involved but maybe Transformers could get away with funding based on CAD designs since they're implicitly more complicated?
Make no mistake, the crowdfunding platform isn't designed to gauge interest, it's designed to get sh!t made. Outside of the R&D involved, I am confident getting a HasLab project up and running requires political capital on the part of the brand team, business buy in, and a high degree of confidence that X number of people will actually pay the asking price.
Considering the main case study the Transformers brand team has for the viability of domestically produced collector product is FunPub, I would also be cautious about putting this project forward until I had a relative idea of the likelihood of success.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Beast themed City Bot could have work just as well. Just saying.
Flashwave wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Beast themed City Bot could have work just as well. Just saying.
But who do you do? Scorpinok? Fans will want him to match Fortress Maximus in scale and asthetic. Trust me, asthetic does matter, but only when its not right. That just leaves... Chela? Orcanoch? A Titan Class Tako Tank? I'm not sure who the more onscure character would be there.
I came here to say the same thing. I could go for some official Ark/Nemesis play sets/dioramas for my shelves.ScottyP wrote:This would be fun too, Transformers on the whole have very little in the way of playsets! I really like the Ark from the SDCC Dinobot set a few years back, but since it's paperboard I'm afraid to mess with it too much. Even that in plastic form would be awesome.spiderbob007 wrote:I vote for the G1 Autobot Ark or the Decepticon Nemesis as play sets.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Flashwave wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Beast themed City Bot could have work just as well. Just saying.
But who do you do? Scorpinok? Fans will want him to match Fortress Maximus in scale and asthetic. Trust me, asthetic does matter, but only when its not right. That just leaves... Chela? Orcanoch? A Titan Class Tako Tank? I'm not sure who the more onscure character would be there.
Absolutely Scorponok. He was the only City Bot to have three legitimate alt-modes. I've said this elsewhere but the City Bots should have been released as sets/pairs. So all the more reason Scorponok should have followed Trypticon over Predaking. Completing the City Bot line while at the same time remaining inkeeping with the beast themed aesthetic they sought to continue with the combiner.
As an aside and I've mentioned this elsewhere too, it would be nice if Hasbro/Takara would remember there are more than two Gestalts in Tranformers. They don't have to keep repeating Devastator and Predaking over and over again. Piranacon would also have matched up to a beast themed combiner and HasTak hasn't shown the Seacons any love at all in a long time. Likewise with Monstructor too, for that matter...
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Flashwave wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:A Beast themed City Bot could have work just as well. Just saying.
But who do you do? Scorpinok? Fans will want him to match Fortress Maximus in scale and asthetic. Trust me, asthetic does matter, but only when its not right. That just leaves... Chela? Orcanoch? A Titan Class Tako Tank? I'm not sure who the more onscure character would be there.
Absolutely Scorponok. He was the only City Bot to have three legitimate alt-modes. I've said this elsewhere but the City Bots should have been released as sets/pairs. So all the more reason Scorponok should have followed Trypticon over Predaking. Completing the City Bot line while at the same time remaining inkeeping with the beast themed aesthetic they sought to continue with the combiner.
As an aside and I've mentioned this elsewhere too, it would be nice if Hasbro/Takara would remember there are more than two Gestalts in Tranformers. They don't have to keep repeating Devastator and Predaking over and over again. Piranacon would also have matched up to a beast themed combiner and HasTak hasn't shown the Seacons any love at all in a long time. Likewise with Monstructor too, for that matter...
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
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