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Any idiot who has to sit there and say "why is everybody fighting" should have either watched the first movie, which explains it, or shut up and watched. I speak first hand on that one, as I had to sit through the 3rd LOTR without seeing the other two. Did it ever occur to some people that Transformers could possibly the same name (I for one also know first hand I am not the only Brandon on Planet Earth.) Everyone has ways of making something better, but be realistic and realize, that idea might only make the movie better to you.

For those complaining about the multiple version of Constructicon vehicles, you only do so because you make assumptions. For all we know, the Constructicons could have multiple drones/clones, like the Insecticons of G1. For all the constraints that Michael Bay had, I thought he did a good job in making this live-action Transformers movie. Could he have remove some of the fighting scenes to have more robot interaction scenes instead? Sure, but I preferred the fighting scenes. Could he have removed the human interaction scenes to have more robot interaction scenes? Probably not because of budget and he needed the human scenes for the general audience. People need to realize that this is a huge epic movie with multiple locations around the world. Personally, I prefer that to the first movie, which was more of a long live-action Transformers TV episode.

Michael, thank you for making a sequal that surpassed the first (bars pretty high for number three)

dont listen to the critics, they think movies should be butt ass boring and in subtitles.

and ignore the fans who question why there are two sets of constructicons (one set that combines, one that dosnt) when come fall, there the ones who'll have all the individual constructicons, and then purchase the gift set that DOES combine (i know your out there, prove me wrong). maybe one day, people will stop nitpicking EVERYTHING and just enjoy the god d*mn movie...

PlasmaPrime wrote:Everyone's allowed their opinion.... But most in these forums seem to think they have the skill to write and direct a movie that has to cater to both TransFans and the average movie-goer. I read complaints about it being a horrible film, yet none of you seem to have the where-with-all to detail what you felt was wrong with it & why. I challenge you all to explain exactly what was wrong with the film against somone who enjoyed it so much he already saw it three times...

Be careful what you wish for son. My full reaction to the film can be read here: http://fairplaythings.com/blog/?p=2417, along with a follow-up as why the franchise now needs saving: http://fairplaythings.com/blog/?p=2441

PlasmaPrime wrote:Likewise, one should not go to "Transformers" films expecting it to be "The Shawshank Redemption", "Heat" or "The Dark Knight".

No one was expecting Shawshank. What many of us were expecting was the first movie, or maybe something slightly better. We got this. By your own words, you acknowledge we can and should expect more. How? "The Dark Knight". A director who cares about story and source material can create something that works, "even" from a comic book. One that doesn't...

I can only speak for myself. But instead of a film that I watched in theatres 8 times, and of which I own five versions, I now go to a movie I could barely sit through once, would not recommend, will not own and would never inflict upon a child because of the blatant sexism and racism sprinkled throughout the film.

mr.terrific wrote:No one was expecting Shawshank. What many of us were expecting was the first movie, or maybe something slightly better. We got this. By your own words, you acknowledge we can and should expect more. How? "The Dark Knight". A director who cares about story and source material can create something that works, "even" from a comic book.

I'm getting pretty tired of people saying the Dark Knight was the greatest f*ckin thing since sliced bread. I think the only reason for that is because Heath Ledger died after shooting.

As for source and matirial, Bay followed pretty well. we had a war of autobot vs decepticons, with decepticons trying to steal energon from the sun (see the G1 episode"Changing Gears") what else do you want???

I agree this movie is not for small children. But Im sure they will watch it a dozen times anyways.

For those complaining that the haters have no actual points when they criticize the film, I advice you to check Topless Robot. They pretty much cover every detail-in detail about what some viewers took issue with. The defenders also get some points in, but with about 400 posts and counting through the various articles, there's some real debate.

RiddlerJ wrote:For those complaining that the haters have no actual points when they criticize the film, I advice you to check Topless Robot. They pretty much cover every detail-in detail about what some viewers took issue with. The defenders also get some points in, but with about 400 posts and counting through the various articles, there's some real debate.

...And herein lies the source of the WHOLE problem and the explanation for the attitude that Bay has that so many people hate and I, for one, absolutely love. Too damn many peoples "opinions", all of them insisting they are right, and NOT A ONE of these folks capabble of actually going to a movie just for the sake of getting away from real life for 2 or 3 hours. Bay knows damn well what he's asking of the writing team and what stuff he's changing and he makes no appologies for what he's doing since he was straight up about it from day one! He told us that he was starting from a small handful of basics and then running with it from there, which screwed with everyone elses "reality" which is stupid because TF's are fantasy to begin with. I'm glad he's pissing people off and I hope he keeps it up because quite frankly, watching everyone else whine about this stuff is funnier than anything that's on cable today. THIS is what Reality TV should be and the sad fact is that RL people are throwing a fit because their "fantasy" isn't what THEY think it should be. Keep it up Michael! Every day this goes on it just keeps getting better and better for me at everyone else's expense. Bring on TF3!!

First Gen wrote:No sense in me adding to it, so here it is from the man himself:

The 400 critics around the globe spoke. Then fans around the world spoke.

Transformers made $60.6 million dollars in the United States for a total of around $100 million from the world on opening day! One of the biggest single days in movie history.

[They] never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.

To all the Transformer Fans - Thank You

Michael

And from Seibertron.com, THANK YOU, Mr. Bay.

YEAH!! Critics can eat the peanuts out of his shee-ot!!

"I'm a film buff. Bash me too; I LOVED the "Matrix" sequels, the "Transporter" series, the first "Hulk" film, and the American "Godzilla" movie... because I'm able to keep things in perspective and enjoy a fun ride that's doing nothing more than being a fun ride. No one rides a roller coaster to have a deep spiritual experience; that's not what roller coasters are for. Likewise, one should not go to "Transformers" films expecting it to be "The Shawshank Redemption", "Heat" or "The Dark Knight"."



uhhhhhhhh, if I remember correctly, Batman went down this road before. It's called Batman & Robin. Sorry, "fun rollercoaster rides" don't get a pass. A bad movie is a bad movie.

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mr.terrific wrote:I am not sure which is worse. Reading the terrible reviews that have all come to be true, or hearing the community endorse this mockery of justice. As a film watcher, I wanted to walk out of the theatre at the half-way point and try and get my money back. As a fan, I was ashamed that so much money and effort could create such a piece of crap. That Mr. Bay has had to turn to the very fans he has ridiculed from the beginning to find redemption sums it up to me.

We asked for a decent film. We got some pretty pictures, a jumbled storied, and explosions. I just feel embarassed for all involved.

Its hard for me to "get away from real life" and "have fun" by watching an incoherent plot with characters I don't know or care about because I have no idea what's going on, and then it is constantly interrupted by explosions and loud noises. I can't really "escape" as Mr. Bay would like me to, when the escape is into a huge storm of nonsensical noise with no rhyme or reason. I suspend my disbelief for movies, but I mean, when its just not consistent, its like a child made it up: first this, then this, then this, then they do this because of this. Maybe some people get away by watching MTV on full volume and just turning their brain off, by I'd rather engage in a "story" preferably a well told one.

To quote the best review I have seen so far, it its entierity: "Its like a movie screen taking a really boring robot filled poop on your face for two and a half hours". Except he didnt say poop.

O.K. final one out of me on this thread, I promise. For those who it may seem like I have been antagonizing or berating, well I won't appologize ('cause I admit I'm an ***hole) but I will give an explanation. Those off you feeling like you have been slighted, or who have hade the myriad of issues with this film are also the same folks who have been treating the rest of us who happened to enjoy the movie like ignroant, soft-minded, witless sheep and have done so without provocation and without the slighest regard for our feelings or opinions. The same treatment that you people are complaing about having recieved from the folks responsible for this movie is the same which you see fit to inflict upon others and you all seem SO justified in doing so. The majority of you doing this are hypocrites and should be ashamed of the examples that you are passing on. I, at least, have the decency to come right out and say that I'm an ***hole, I acknowledge what I've done and why, just like the Director of this great film. "Great Film" of course, being my own opinion. I won't speak for anyone else unlike the several selfish individuals who insist on beating the rest of us over the head until we agree with their viewpoint that the film was "pure and utter crap".

I do, however, have to say that this film doesn't even come close to Batman & Robin. Batman & Robin made Highlander 2 look good and the Highlander producers actually came out and said "Oopps! We F****d up!" I can respect alot of opinions but that was like kicking someone in the balls in an evenly matched fight. It's just plain dirty fighting. Besides, B & R wasn't the second movie in the line. Let's keep it on a level playing field.