The Energon Pub

[Skywarp64]

Which would explain his deteriorating physical condition from RoTF to DoTM,

I'm pretty sure he deteriorated in physical condition because Optimus Prime made him shoot a third of his own face off, before beating the slag out of him and leaving him to just sort of sit there and writhe and yell for Starscream.

And if he had his spark, he could have fixed himself, much like Prime did in AoE.

Ah, your point is fair.

This raises the question of how a transformer survives without a spark, a question I am not in the least bit equipped to discuss.

[ZeroWolf]

@Slashercon Your not a villain for having a bad opinion about the TF movies, you're entitled to that. It's things like saying the whole world is ignorant for not thinking like you. As for Frozen, I still don't see the big deal, it's n my top 10 but nowhere near the top.

Right, now that's out of the way, I expect that an answer about the spark of Megatron may be answered in a comic that IDW put out. In fact it may fall to them to explain the connection between the creators, hatchlings and ballpark.

[SlyTF1]

Anyone here who felt that it was "objectively bad" but still "subjectively enjoyed" it?

I think that would be kinda tough to do.

Not entirely, as the concept of accepting a movie as "not a good movie" yet still finding enjoyment in it makes it into a "guilty pleasure".

Take the G1 cartoon, for instance. By today's standards, it's 98 episodes of mediocre storytelling, archaic animation, one- to two-dimensional characters, hokey science/logic, and purely non-nutritional substance. Yet, it is still beloved by many fans who, even after removing their nostalgia glasses, get some genuine enjoyment out of it. There are many fans who accept it for what it is, yet still find it delightful.

'Course, I am just referring to the fans who openly recognize it as being far from masterpiece quality and not those other particular fans who have been so blinded by their nostalgia into thinking that the G1 cartoon seriously is a masterpiece, but I digress.

As an example of my own, I see the RiD cartoon as hardly worthwhile from an objective viewpoint, yet still get a kick out of it from a subjective viewpoint. Thus, the RiD cartoon is my guilty pleasure.

Whoa, I totally disagree. The American G1 cartoon has the best animation, stories, characters and voice acting. I still watch it actually, and it impresses me every time. Just because it was created 30 years ago doesn't make it inferior.

That's called nostalgia.

[Sub-Prime]

I don't know how folks expected the Dinobots to have a major plot and back story in this when Optimus Prime released them when it was 20 minutes into the end of the movie and a major battle in HK happening. And it wasn't like he knew about them other than being a legendary rumor found to be true. It tells me that the Dinobots story will be more apparent in T5. In the trailer the Dinobots had about 5-6 seconds of time out of a 2 minute and 34 second trailer. Some people were saying the Dinobots consumed most of the trailer.

[Rodimus Prime]

I don't know how folks expected the Dinobots to have a major plot and back story in this when Optimus Prime released them when it was 20 minutes into the end of the movie and a major battle in HK happening.

Going into the movie for the 1st time, people had no idea when the "Dinobots" would appear and for how long. I think it was fair to expect them to show up earlier, and maybe have a little more to do. Not that they didn't make an impact, but instead of being a major contributor, they went the way of RoTF Devastator. 1 big splash, and then nothing. Hopefully you're right, and TF5 will feature them in a major role. I did really like the fact that they managed to pair the Autobots and "Dinobots" up nicely. Every Autobot got his own "Dino" except Hound, because, well, he didn't need 1. He kicked more ass by himself than everyone else combined. Even Prime and Bee.

[Clunker]

I wouldn't mind them bringing back a proper devastator now, despite how much I love the dinobots I still loved the brief scrap they had with devastator in the original movie.

[Cyberpath]

That's called nostalgia.

Can't be nostalgic for a show I've never really stopped watching.
The cartoon holds up because it was well done. Some other shows that I loved from the same era (and the toys) don't. Can't watch a crappy show over and over out of nostalgia, maybe once, but not for the Nth time.

When I watch the Sunbow cartoon I do it with attention because I don't want to miss even a minute of the animation (naturally some episodes are sleeker than others. Sometimes much sleeker.)

The intro to season 2 alone... still wow after all those years. I never skip it.

And it's not just the animation, but also the wonderful artwork, designs and the colour schemes.

The show's quality is even more impressive now because back then they didn't have CGI 3D models that they could move around in whatever position/action/angle that they needed. Everything had to be drawn by hand and filmed, which is kind of mind blowing to me.

In my opinion and off the top of my head, the only animated series that's comparable in terms of interesting visuals and innovation is Peter Chung's Æon Flux. So I wasn't surprised when I found out years later that he was also involved in The Transformers.

Not counting some random comics, Age of Extinction is the first piece of TF fiction that I've enjoyed since. So I hope it only goes up from here.

[Rodimus Prime]

The intro to season 2 alone... still wow after all those years. I never skip it.

That's my favorite as well. Though I do admit that these days I watch G1 mainly out of nostalgia, when sometimes it hits me. Otherwise, I do prefer the newer cartoons such as TFA and TFP, the latter mainly for the story.

[ZeroWolf]

G1 though was full of animation errors and plot holes (some little, some massive like the origin of the constructicons for example) and characters appeared with no introduction sometimes, like the protector bots. Just because it was first doesn't mean it's the best.

Right, now I said that, no one is calling you out on your enjoyment of it. You just can love it and accept its flaws. Same for the live action movies actually.

[That_Guy]

Supposedly Megatron's spark was destroyed at the end of the 1st film when Sam shoved the All Spark into it. Did he somehow get it back with the piece of the All Spark that was used to revive him? Because he couldn't have gotten the spark of the Constructicon whose parts were used to repair him. If the shard didn't include at least some of Megatron's spark, then he has been without it since his resurrection in RoTF. Which would explain his deteriorating physical condition from RoTF to DoTM, as well as his surviving the damage caused by his spinal cord being yanked out by.

Couldn't the same be said about Prime in RoF? he got his back stabbed through and chest blown from behind. Rather than the "life giving" Allspark shard, he was revived with the Matrix. Trying not to be nit-picky. Even with some "huhs?" still enjoy the movieverse. Only hate I have was Megan Fox and that one played Carly. When they spoke it was like, no stop, someone else should be playing your roles.

[Sabrblade]

It could also mean that Prime's knowledge is limited on what he knows. Remember Prime found out things in the series over time. When he saw the Dinobots he mentioned that the rumors of their existence is now true. What else he doesn't know since there have been Cybertronians that pre-dates him.

If a character in a story, whose purpose (among other purposes) is to give exposition to the audience, gives misinformation in his exposition (whether intentionally or inadvertenly, regardless) without the story outright letting us know that his exposition is misinformed, then that's bad writing. No way around that.

Prime to me even opened that hole pretty wide with his explanation of he spark when he was telling Cade. Saying, not only is it a soul, but it hold their memories. Without it, wouldn't that also mean their memory has been wiped? So Megatron as Brains mentions tricks the humans in creating him a new body, with his new body, claiming his new name as Galvatron, regardless would not make sense, he has no spark, no spark no memories. Maybe I'm hearing too much into what Prime said and seeing Megatrons trickery.

No, I think you're right about listening to Prime. Even in other series, Sparks contained a TF's mind and soul. A simple spark transplant into another body brought the consciousness over along with the soul. Here, though, there's no spark, so there should be no mind either.

Frankly I think that was a massive cock up on Kruger's writing. There may be SOME explanation to it if you factor in Hatchlings and Creators which contradict each other.

I doubt it will be answered in future movies. This is just going to be one those big glaring flaws that goes unexplained.

Sad, but very likely true.

I'm really not expecting the next movie to explain it, but will be pleasantly surprised if it does (so long as it's a decent explanation).

Supposedly Megatron's spark was destroyed at the end of the 1st film when Sam shoved the All Spark into it. Did he somehow get it back with the piece of the All Spark that was used to revive him? Because he couldn't have gotten the spark of the Constructicon whose parts were used to repair him. If the shard didn't include at least some of Megatron's spark, then he has been without it since his resurrection in RoTF. Which would explain his deteriorating physical condition from RoTF to DoTM, as well as his surviving the damage caused by his spinal cord being yanked out by.

Trying to find any actual information about Megatron's spark in conjunction to the AllSpark both killing and reviving him is proving difficult for me, so I'm finding myself with little option but to turn to theory and speculation (which I hate to have to do in this kind of situation).

As far as I can guess, when the AllSpark killed him in the first movie, it either extinguished his spark (thus removing it from his body) or merely shut it down of all power (thus leaving it still in his body, but fully devoid of power and life).

When the shard revived him in ROTF, it either replaced his spark with its own power, recalled his extinguished spark from the afterlife and restored it to a functioning state, or simply reignited his lifeless spark (still in his body).

Though, frankly, the latter guesses for each case sound the most hokey to me.

The movie was pretty clear about Galvatron being Megatron reincarnated. Where was it said that he has no "spark," was it the scene with Optimus?

Optimus: "You have no soul!"

Galvatron: "That is why I have no fear!"

I think "Soul" in this line could be taken as a conscience or compassion, rather than spirit.

Or maybe Prime said that before he "sensed Megatron's presence" within the prototyped and assumed it was a regular lifeless man-made drone.

Not saying either is the case, but could be.

After Optimus explained to Cade what a spark is, Cade told Optimus that humans would call a spark "a soul". From that point on in the movie, Optimus would use the term "soul" synonymously with the term "spark", as a sign of his having learned something from Cade.

Plus, Joshua made a big deal about that big hole in Galvatron's chest, which would later tie in to Prime's declaration of Galvatron having "no soul" (i.e. - no spark). The fact that Galvatron also spoke like a living being at that time, acknowledging Prime's declaration in agreement, furthers the complication of his "sparkless state-of-living".

Right, now that's out of the way, I expect that an answer about the spark of Megatron may be answered in a comic that IDW put out. In fact it may fall to them to explain the connection between the creators, hatchlings and ballpark.

Sadly, it was stated at the BotCon 2014 IDW panel that there are currently no more movieverse comics coming from IDW.

That's called nostalgia.

Can't be nostalgic for a show I've never really stopped watching.
The cartoon holds up because it was well done. Some other shows that I loved from the same era (and the toys) don't. Can't watch a crappy show over and over out of nostalgia, maybe once, but not for the Nth time.

Sure you can. It's because I'm nostalgic towards several shows from my childhood that I've never really stopped watching them. That's nostalgia at its finest. Being nostalgic just means having an undying, cherishing fondness for something from your past, regardless of how well it may or may not hold up.

There are fans who are nostalgic towards the G1 cartoon who recognize its flaws as real flaws (like others on this board), and there are fans who are nostalgic towards the G1 cartoon who either forgive its flaws or don't consider its flaws to actually be flaws, considering what others call these "flaws" to just be additional aspects of the show's charm and such (like yourself).

Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

Supposedly Megatron's spark was destroyed at the end of the 1st film when Sam shoved the All Spark into it. Did he somehow get it back with the piece of the All Spark that was used to revive him? Because he couldn't have gotten the spark of the Constructicon whose parts were used to repair him. If the shard didn't include at least some of Megatron's spark, then he has been without it since his resurrection in RoTF. Which would explain his deteriorating physical condition from RoTF to DoTM, as well as his surviving the damage caused by his spinal cord being yanked out by.

Couldn't the same be said about Prime in RoF? he got his back stabbed through and chest blown from behind. Rather than the "life giving" Allspark shard, he was revived with the Matrix.

Similarily to what I said about Megatron's spark in conjunction to the AllSpark both killing and reviving him, so too is finding info about Prime's spark in conjunction to the Matrix. So I must also turn to guessing here too (which I don't want to do).

Since Optimus was shown to survive without the Matrix after his resurrection in ROTF, and later in DOTM, I think it's safe to assume that the Matrix didn't replace his spark. So it might have either recalled his spark from the afterlife (if Megatron's previous stabbing had extinguished it) or simply heal and reignited his broken, nonfunctioning spark (if Megatron's stabbing simply broke it and shut it off while leaving it in its place).

But again, the latter option feels the most hokey to me.

[Sub-Prime]

What are you talking about? Prime only says what he knows. He also said the Allspark is the giver of life which is somewhat true but ultimately there is a creator who had to create the allspark. Over all of the movies he strikes me as somebody who didn't know everything like a typical human. He didn't know of Sentinal Prime being on the moon. He didn't know of the machine in the pyramid. He didn't know that Megatron was on Earth for decades until Decepticon activity led them there. I still believe Galavatron is just a drone occupied by Megatrons mind and running off a human power source. It's such a logical answer. I remember in TFP when Megatron took over Bumblebees body through the psychic patch. I'm sure that's where they got the inspiration from.

[Sabrblade]

What are you talking about? Prime only says what he knows. He also said the Allspark is the giver of life which is somewhat true but ultimately there is a creator who had to create the allspark. Over all of the movies he strikes me as somebody who didn't know everything like a typical human. He didn't know of Sentinal Prime being on the moon. He didn't know of the machine in the pyramid. He didn't know that Megatron was on Earth for decades until Decepticon activity led them there.

And all those things he didn't know about were told to us by those movies. Here, however, if there's something about sparks he doesn't no about, the movie doesn't expose that to us in any fashion, thus not disproving Prime's information and creating the plot hole of Galvatron being alive without a spark.

I still believe Galavatron is just a drone occupied by Megatrons mind and running off a human power source. It's such a logical answer. I remember in TFP when Megatron took over Bumblebees body through the psychic patch. I'm sure that's where they got the inspiration from.

If the body is being run by a power source that doesn't support a living being, then it's not alive and shouldn't be controllable by Megatron's mind. TF: Prime Megs could control Bumblebee's body because Bumblebee's body was already alive.

And again, the spark, according to Prime, contains the soul and mind of a Transformer, so with no spark, Galvatron ought to not have Megatron's mind.

Why is it so hard to even consider that Ehren Kruger goofed on this?

[Clunker]

Maybe the all spark ended up ingraining memory etc into Megatron's body to try and cope with the amount of energy being infused into Megatrons original spark, thus meaning the entirety of megatrons body had some sense of megatron's spark and memories, not just his spark?

[Sabrblade]

Maybe the all spark ended up ingraining memory etc into Megatron's body to try and cope with the amount of energy being infused into Megatrons original spark, thus meaning the entirety of megatrons body had some sense of megatron's spark and memories, not just his spark?

Come again?

[Clunker]

Maybe the all spark ended up ingraining memory etc into Megatron's body to try and cope with the amount of energy being infused into Megatrons original spark, thus meaning the entirety of megatrons body had some sense of megatron's spark and memories, not just his spark?

Come again?

When sam forced the all spark into megatron's spark perhaps the all spark forced part or some of megatron's spark out to make room for itself but because there was so much it obviously killed him but perhaps megatron's spark ended up going into the rest of his body as it had no where else to go, so megatron's very body had part of his spark infused into it.

[Sub-Prime]

The Galvatron body is alive though. Just like Bumblebee was alive when Megs took over his body. All the human made Transformers is alive because Megs brain fed them the ingredients to their biology. But ultimately they didn't require a soul. Just remote controlled Cybertronians. But Megs inserted his mind in the Galvatron body. You also remember in TF Prime that Megs spark was extinguished when Starscream pulled the shard from his chest yet his brain still function on a life support like system? I think the reason why it's hard for folks to grasp this is because Transformers is kind of a complex story in itself. Far from grounded stuff.

[Cyberpath]

Sure you can. It's because I'm nostalgic towards several shows from my childhood that I've never really stopped watching them. That's nostalgia at its finest. Being nostalgic just means having an undying, cherishing fondness for something from your past, regardless of how well it may or may not hold up.

There are fans who are nostalgic towards the G1 cartoon who recognize its flaws as real flaws (like others on this board), and there are fans who are nostalgic towards the G1 cartoon who either forgive its flaws or don't consider its flaws to actually be flaws, considering what others call these "flaws" to just be additional aspects of the show's charm and such (like yourself).

Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

Well, I was speaking for myself. I can't watch a show or a movie for nostalgia over and over. I really liked He-Man and She-Ra back in the day, doesn't mean I can watch those now. Certainly not more than once.

I've always been aware of the animation errors in G1. I don't find them charming (except for Carnage in C-Minor, where they are really out there and on a whole new level.) Yes, it's unfortunate when one of the Decepticon jets is coloured like the other, or when a character speaks while another's lips are moving. But the show isn't plagued with as many animation errors as people remember, and the overall quality of the show dwarfs those errors.

Ironically, if anything is nostalgic it's the newer shows, because they still draw upon the original. Even direct quotes. Until the day that they start using all-new characters, new names, personalities, backstory etc, it's all, in a way, just an extension of G1.

G1 though was full of animation errors and plot holes (some little, some massive like the origin of the constructicons for example) and characters appeared with no introduction sometimes, like the protector bots. Just because it was first doesn't mean it's the best.

Right, now I said that, no one is calling you out on your enjoyment of it. You just can love it and accept its flaws. Same for the live action movies actually.

And likewise, newer isn't always better.

When I elaborated why I like G1 best "first" wasn't one of the reasons.

After Optimus explained to Cade what a spark is, Cade told Optimus that humans would call a spark "a soul". From that point on in the movie, Optimus would use the term "soul" synonymously with the term "spark", as a sign of his having learned something from Cade.

Plus, Joshua made a big deal about that big hole in Galvatron's chest, which would later tie in to Prime's declaration of Galvatron having "no soul" (i.e. - no spark). The fact that Galvatron also spoke like a living being at that time, acknowledging Prime's declaration in agreement, furthers the complication of his "sparkless state-of-living".

IIRC Galvatron spoke his first line only after Prime's, and his comeback could be taken as ironic or biting.

The humans designed the robot after Optimus Prime (hence the semi-truck mode) but Megatron kept changing its appearance to match his own likeness, and kept adding the hole in the chest. So perhaps the cavity in Galvatron's chest was there to house Megatron's spark?

[Sub-Prime]

Maybe the all spark ended up ingraining memory etc into Megatron's body to try and cope with the amount of energy being infused into Megatrons original spark, thus meaning the entirety of megatrons body had some sense of megatron's spark and memories, not just his spark?

Come again?

When sam forced the all spark into megatron's spark perhaps the all spark forced part or some of megatron's spark out to make room for itself but because there was so many it obviously killed him but perhaps megatron's spark ended up going into the rest of his body as it had no where else to go, so megatron's very body had part of his spark infused into it.

That is a good theory. He looked like he overloaded on allspark energy in the first movie. I also believe the spark was infused in body but particularly his brain. His brain was the only functioning brain out of the dead Cybertronians.

[Clunker]

Maybe the all spark ended up ingraining memory etc into Megatron's body to try and cope with the amount of energy being infused into Megatrons original spark, thus meaning the entirety of megatrons body had some sense of megatron's spark and memories, not just his spark?

Come again?

When sam forced the all spark into megatron's spark perhaps the all spark forced part or some of megatron's spark out to make room for itself but because there was so many it obviously killed him but perhaps megatron's spark ended up going into the rest of his body as it had no where else to go, so megatron's very body had part of his spark infused into it.

That is a good theory. He looked like he overloaded on allspark energy in the first movie. I also believe the spark was infused in body but particularly his brain. His brain was the only functioning brain out of the dead Cybertronians.

Yeah which is why it could make sense for Megatron's brain to give the information needed to Brains without the presence of his actual spark.

[Sub-Prime]

I find it funny that critics say these films are brainless yet I have always found myself figuring out stuff by using the old nogging. And then other films which aren't called brainless typically has a plot that needs no brain work because everything is forced fed to you. I guess that's why I loved Prometheus. It left questions and I can't wait for part 2

[Sabrblade]

The Galvatron body is alive though. Just like Bumblebee was alive when Megs took over his body. All the human made Transformers is alive because Megs brain fed them the ingredients to their biology. But ultimately they didn't require a soul. Just remote controlled Cybertronians. But Megs inserted his mind in the Galvatron body.

If something has no soul, it's not alive. That's one of the fundamental basics of being alive.

Same with Transformers. Outside of very special circumstances (one of which I'll get into below), no spark = no life.

You also remember in TF Prime that Megs spark was extinguished when Starscream pulled the shard from his chest yet his brain still function on a life support like system? I think the reason why it's hard for folks to grasp this is because Transformers is kind of a complex story in itself. Far from grounded stuff.

He still had Dark Energon coursing through his system. Though he was without a spark, the Anti-Spark and Blood of Unicron kept him alive, but just barely. Until he got that bigger chunk of Dark Energon put into him that was enough to fully revive him, he treaded upon the thin line between life and death.

And he later got his spark fully back once he was finally purged of Unicron entirely at the end of "Predacons Rising".

Well, I was speaking for myself. I can't watch a show or a movie for nostalgia over and over. I really liked He-Man and She-Ra back in the day, doesn't mean I can watch those now. Certainly not more than once.

If you don't still find any enjoyment out of those shows today, then you're not nostalgic towards them. Nothing wrong with that.

I've always been aware of the animation errors in G1. I don't find them charming (except for Carnage in C-Minor, where they are really out there and on a whole new level.) Yes, it's unfortunate when one of the Decepticon jets is coloured like the other, or when a character speaks while another's lips are moving. But the show isn't plagued with as many animation errors as people remember, and the overall quality of the show dwarfs those errors.

Some sites, such as TFWiki, have gone and documented all of the animation and continuity errors to statistically show just have many errors there were indeed in that show. So it isn't a case misremembering in that regard.

Ironically, if anything is nostalgic it's the newer shows, because they still draw upon the original. Even direct quotes. Until the day that they start using all-new characters, new names, personalities, backstory etc, it's all, in a way, just an extension of G1.

It's not the shows that are nostalgic, but the people who make them that are, since they're the ones who put those references into them.

And likewise, newer isn't always better.

When I elaborated why I like G1 best "first" wasn't one of the reasons.

In my case, if I had to objectively look at all the TF cartoons that came after G1 and, putting all my personal feelings about each one aside, had to objectively determine which ones were of a better overall quality than the G1 cartoon, I'd have to narrow it down to Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Cybertron, Animated, Prime, and Rescue Bots, simply due to each of these feeling more refined and like they've learned from past experiences to improve upon what all had come before them. The G1 cartoon did do some things better, but in the long run, it feels like more work, care, and effort went into these other ones to try to give us something worthwhile about each. After all, the G1 cartoon was indeed treated as "just another job" by its makers and actors, rather than a serious piece of work for most of them.

IIRC Galvatron spoke his first line only after Prime's, and his comeback could be taken as ironic or biting.

Right, and I said that he spoke it in acknowledgement of Prime's declaration, affirming it.

The humans designed the robot after Optimus Prime (hence the semi-truck mode) but Megatron kept changing its appearance to match his own likeness, and kept adding the hole in the chest. So perhaps the cavity in Galvatron's chest was there to house Megatron's spark?

One would think, had the movie made an attempt to show his spark somehow restored so that it could be housed in there. But it never did, as though it forgot to.

Maybe the all spark ended up ingraining memory etc into Megatron's body to try and cope with the amount of energy being infused into Megatrons original spark, thus meaning the entirety of megatrons body had some sense of megatron's spark and memories, not just his spark?

Come again?

When sam forced the all spark into megatron's spark perhaps the all spark forced part or some of megatron's spark out to make room for itself but because there was so many it obviously killed him but perhaps megatron's spark ended up going into the rest of his body as it had no where else to go, so megatron's very body had part of his spark infused into it.

That is a good theory. He looked like he overloaded on allspark energy in the first movie. I also believe the spark was infused in body but particularly his brain. His brain was the only functioning brain out of the dead Cybertronians.

Yeah which is why it could make sense for Megatron's brain to give the information needed to Brains without the presence of his actual spark.

Except that the AllSpark is life to these people. If they have AllSpark energy coursing through their bodies, that's a sign of them being alive. When Megatron died, his body was rendered powerless, with no more energy flowing through it. When the shard revived him in ROTF, the AllSpark energy renewed his body with life. If his body still had AllSpark energy in it, wouldn't it stand to reason that he wasn't dead?

Plus, he didn't have his body anymore by this point, since was just a head in this movie.

I find it funny that critics say these films are brainless yet I have always found myself figuring out stuff by using the old nogging. And then other films which aren't called brainless typically has a plot that needs no brain work because everything is forced fed to you. I guess that's why I loved Prometheus. It left questions and I can't wait for part 2

When the critics call something "brainless", they don't mean "it doesn't make the audience ask questions", they mean "it has no nutritional substance that stimulates highbrow thinking". And they're right. This movie doesn't have any of that since it's only meant to be pure fun and stimulate us on a "thrill ride" level rather than a deeper or scholarly level. It's not meant to be insightful, it meant to be "a kids movie for adults".

[Clunker]

Perhaps the memories were imprinted in the brain, similar to how Sam had visions, so whilst there was no power in Megatron's head maybe the brain retained the memories and all it needed was a power source for them to be accessed which the humans provided when they hooked him up so brains could translate.

Or what if he did have energy still in his head but was faking it by playing dormant so he could manipulate the humans?

I'm not saying this is true or anything I'm just speculating on possible reasons, the bigger likelihood is there is no good explanation and it was just a plot hole, but I figure we could come up with our own reasons at least.

[RhA]

The Galvatron body is alive though. Just like Bumblebee was alive when Megs took over his body. All the human made Transformers is alive because Megs brain fed them the ingredients to their biology. But ultimately they didn't require a soul. Just remote controlled Cybertronians. But Megs inserted his mind in the Galvatron body.

If something has no soul, it's not alive. That's one of the fundamental basics of being alive.

Prove it.

[Gemini220]

Seen it lastnight in 3D and I don't understand all the hate it's just a movie?!

Sure you had the WTH moments like why wasn't the Autobots tracked in the desert? Why didn't they fall out that spaceship doing all that spinning & flipping? How was it that that gun Cade was using never ran out of ammo?

But all in all we enjoyed it!