The Energon Pub

[Cyberpath]

If you don't still find any enjoyment out of those shows today, then you're not nostalgic towards them. Nothing wrong with that.

I am, but that's it exactly.

After all, the G1 cartoon was indeed treated as "just another job" by its makers and actors, rather than a serious piece of work for most of them.

I don't think it's fair to say, but it's funny that you bring it up now, because just recently I watched for the first time the interviews with David Wise, Buzz Dixon, and other writers on the Australian DVD set, and I was really impressed with them. They were very much into it, they did put effort and thought into the show, and they even remember details.

"[..] it also worked because the crew that we brought together to do the writing, and the art design, and the story-boarding and whatnot; these were people who really wanted to tell a good story. We did not talk down to our audience, we wrote for ourselves, we wrote: "what's the kind of story I would be interested in seeing on the show." And we realised there were certain limitations, there were certain boundaries that were out there. But within those boundaries there's a lot we can do and we figured: well, since the network is this tiny little thing and syndication is this big thing, lets take advantage of that and explore as much as this territory as we can. It gave us freedom to do different type of stories -- interesting stories. Having as many characters as we had let us have villainous characters who had, you know, slightly virtuous aspects to them; heroic characters who had some rough aspects to them -- in other words: complex characters and complex stories [..]" (Buzz Dixon)

I feel like the show wouldn't have been this good, and wouldn't have inspired so many new series and movies, if the original people involved didn't give a damn.
I also watched an interview with Wally Burr a while back, he also did great as well; it's actually Hasbro that didn't mind. He used to send them samples to approve and they were like "hey, whatever you guys think." (Which is actually a good thing.)
And Floro Dery's designs, I don't think anyone can say he was phoning it in; there's always a lot of thought behind what he does.

Right, and I said that he spoke it in acknowledgement of Prime's declaration, affirming it.

I understand, but Galvatron's response may not have been literal.

One would think, had the movie made an attempt to show his spark somehow restored so that it

could be housed in there. But it never did, as though it forgot to.

Isn't that the red glow in Galvatron's chest?

[Rodimus Prime]

If something has no soul, it's not alive. That's one of the fundamental basics of being alive.

Prove it.

Yeah, I'm with RhA on this one. It might be something you believe, and that's OK, but you can't state it as fact. Not without concrete proof. And I think we have to start with the definition of the word "alive."

[Sub-Prime]

Nobody can prove that a souls exists. It's just a human belief. Galvatron said it himself when Optimus told him he has no soul that that's why he has no fear. He can't feel what happens to his body anymore. But he is still aware of who he is. This very same thing happened in Captain America with the Hydra scientist living through computers and stuff.

[That_Guy]

If something has no soul, it's not alive. That's one of the fundamental basics of being alive.

Prove it.

Yeah, I'm with RhA on this one. It might be something you believe, and that's OK, but you can't state it as fact. Not without concrete proof. And I think we have to start with the definition of the word "alive."

"Johnny-5 is alive"

[ZeroWolf]

A way to look at it is maybe "the spark is a lie". I mean we have mention of creators now, so it would be nice to see them question things like this. Depending on how you travel down this road, you can end up at deep places.

[chivesbot20]

Ive come across multiple times on the movie forums people of all transformers universes have said that the autobots have been turned into " killing machines" and the cons….. ANIMALS!!!!??? Really? I don't care if u don't agree with me or not from here on out.So here I go. You've pushed me 2 far and u know who i am, and now where to find me. I am going to state 10 deceptions who don't look like " hooligans". Brawl,megatron,lockdown,shockwave,blackout,brawl,long haul,mixmaster,grindor,two prtoform armys. I could go on. I agree about other like the dreads….. BUT THERE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT! (cough cough brainless) Now lets go to the killing machines part. WOOOOWWW first to say. So in G1 which was a childs television program (which i love :grin: ) but still it is a childs show. So they are not going to put an amazing action battle between 3 deceptions who kill optimus in a forest, or chicagos destruction, or a space bouncer hunter looking for optimus. So tell me? am i wrong? NO! Its an action movie! JUst like…. no one wants to watch a three trillion budget fils series with a beetle fighting a cassette player. Also size difference between bee and lockdown and how lockdown is optimus height? Than tell me…. how is G1 sound wave bigger than G1 bumblebee when a beetle is bigger than a cassette player. Theres my opinion I hate haters and haters gonna height and i don't care but don't make comments that effect the movie fans cuz we are just as stubborn and one sided as the rest are…. although i love every transformers universe but armada! [-( :APPLAUSE: :BOWDOWN: :HEADHURTS: :michaelbay: :roll: :grin: >:oP :D >:oP

[Sabrblade]

Cool story, bro.

[SKYWARPED_128]

About the whole soul vs spark debate....

Souls are basically religious concepts that can neither be proven nor dis-proven. Some religions believe that animals have no souls, but yet they're as alive as we are and many are even sentient like humans. Wolves and dolphins, for example.

Personally, I think Kruger should have just stayed away from the whole soul vs spark thing--he was pretty much painting himself into a corner. It's confusing enough when theologists try to explain it, without adding the idea of a robotic soul into it.

[Burn]

You've pushed me 2 far and u know who i am, and now where to find me.

Actually we don't. You're not in Miami at all by any chance? I need someone to pick me up a Metroplex that's owed to me.

[Evil_the_Nub]

Perhaps the memories were imprinted in the brain, similar to how Sam had visions, so whilst there was no power in Megatron's head maybe the brain retained the memories and all it needed was a power source for them to be accessed which the humans provided when they hooked him up so brains could translate.

Or what if he did have energy still in his head but was faking it by playing dormant so he could manipulate the humans?

I'm not saying this is true or anything I'm just speculating on possible reasons, the bigger likelihood is there is no good explanation and it was just a plot hole, but I figure we could come up with our own reasons at least.

That makes sense to me. Megatron's memories were contained in his spark and his brain. When Optimus killed him in DotM His spark was extinguished, but his brain was still intact. It manipulated the KSI scientists into creating a new body for his mind to be uploaded into. So for all intents and purposes, Megatron is dead. Galvatron is Megatron's mind in a man made bot.

[Sub-Prime]

Perhaps the memories were imprinted in the brain, similar to how Sam had visions, so whilst there was no power in Megatron's head maybe the brain retained the memories and all it needed was a power source for them to be accessed which the humans provided when they hooked him up so brains could translate.

Or what if he did have energy still in his head but was faking it by playing dormant so he could manipulate the humans?

I'm not saying this is true or anything I'm just speculating on possible reasons, the bigger likelihood is there is no good explanation and it was just a plot hole, but I figure we could come up with our own reasons at least.

That makes sense to me. Megatron's memories were contained in his spark and his brain. When Optimus killed him in DotM His spark was extinguished, but his brain was still intact. It manipulated the KSI scientists into creating a new body for his mind to be uploaded into. So for all intents and purposes, Megatron is dead. Galvatron is Megatron's mind in a man made bot.

This is exactly what I was saying for 3 pages..lol

[SKYWARPED_128]

A way to look at it is maybe "the spark is a lie". I mean we have mention of creators now, so it would be nice to see them question things like this. Depending on how you travel down this road, you can end up at deep places.

I actually like that idea. Imagine how the TF's would react and feel if everything they believed was a lie, that their traditions and history was a mere fabrication. I'd love to see Bots and Cons uniting to fight a common enemy in the Creators/Quintessons.

[SlyTF1]

Perhaps the memories were imprinted in the brain, similar to how Sam had visions, so whilst there was no power in Megatron's head maybe the brain retained the memories and all it needed was a power source for them to be accessed which the humans provided when they hooked him up so brains could translate.

Or what if he did have energy still in his head but was faking it by playing dormant so he could manipulate the humans?

I'm not saying this is true or anything I'm just speculating on possible reasons, the bigger likelihood is there is no good explanation and it was just a plot hole, but I figure we could come up with our own reasons at least.

That makes sense to me. Megatron's memories were contained in his spark and his brain. When Optimus killed him in DotM His spark was extinguished, but his brain was still intact. It manipulated the KSI scientists into creating a new body for his mind to be uploaded into. So for all intents and purposes, Megatron is dead. Galvatron is Megatron's mind in a man made bot.

This is exactly what I was saying for 3 pages..lol

And it's exactly what I gathered when I first watched the movie. It's like if a person died, but they put that person's mind in a man made machine. The machine is not them, but the machine has their personality and may even share their exact thoughts. But, it's still just a piece of machinery.

[RiddlerJ]

Sorry if this already was mentioned (lotta pages in this thread)

But did anyone else find the Dinobots adorable?

I think it's because they didn't talk and remained in their dino modes for the most part, but they came off less like the rebellious bruisers they're usually portrayed as and more like innocent animals. When Lockdown was sucking them up through the air, I was like "No, Slug, grab the wall, kick those little legs!"

Slug is now the cutest Dinobot.

[Burn]

Perhaps the memories were imprinted in the brain, similar to how Sam had visions, so whilst there was no power in Megatron's head maybe the brain retained the memories and all it needed was a power source for them to be accessed which the humans provided when they hooked him up so brains could translate.

Or what if he did have energy still in his head but was faking it by playing dormant so he could manipulate the humans?

I'm not saying this is true or anything I'm just speculating on possible reasons, the bigger likelihood is there is no good explanation and it was just a plot hole, but I figure we could come up with our own reasons at least.

That makes sense to me. Megatron's memories were contained in his spark and his brain. When Optimus killed him in DotM His spark was extinguished, but his brain was still intact. It manipulated the KSI scientists into creating a new body for his mind to be uploaded into. So for all intents and purposes, Megatron is dead. Galvatron is Megatron's mind in a man made bot.

So what's powering him then? Given that Prime told us a Transformers spark is both their power source and their "soul".

There's only one logical conclusion.

Galvatron is a sentient zombie.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Perhaps the memories were imprinted in the brain, similar to how Sam had visions, so whilst there was no power in Megatron's head maybe the brain retained the memories and all it needed was a power source for them to be accessed which the humans provided when they hooked him up so brains could translate.

Or what if he did have energy still in his head but was faking it by playing dormant so he could manipulate the humans?

I'm not saying this is true or anything I'm just speculating on possible reasons, the bigger likelihood is there is no good explanation and it was just a plot hole, but I figure we could come up with our own reasons at least.

That makes sense to me. Megatron's memories were contained in his spark and his brain. When Optimus killed him in DotM His spark was extinguished, but his brain was still intact. It manipulated the KSI scientists into creating a new body for his mind to be uploaded into. So for all intents and purposes, Megatron is dead. Galvatron is Megatron's mind in a man made bot.

So what's powering him then? Given that Prime told us a Transformers spark is both their power source and their "soul".

There's only one logical conclusion.

Galvatron is a sentient zombie.

Or a memory clone. Meaning his entire personality is formed by the memories of Megatron, except the original Megatron and his spark are dead.

Say if someone made an android and implanted your memories and personality traits into it. He'd be exactly like you and behave just like you, but he still isn't you.

[Skywarp64]

Sorry if this already was mentioned (lotta pages in this thread)

But did anyone else find the Dinobots adorable?

I think it's because they didn't talk and remained in their dino modes for the most part, but they came off less like the rebellious bruisers they're usually portrayed as and more like innocent animals. When Lockdown was sucking them up through the air, I was like "No, Slug, grab the wall, kick those little legs!"

Slug is now the cutest Dinobot.

IMO, the Dinobots have always been cute.

[Hero Alpha]

It looks like the AoE Dinobots are based kinda off Brave Exkaiser show designs. Especially the heads:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmPP2kRP5DM Is it just me or does AoE Snarl look a lot like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Onss3GyaY

[SKYWARPED_128]

Sorry if this already was mentioned (lotta pages in this thread)

But did anyone else find the Dinobots adorable?

I think it's because they didn't talk and remained in their dino modes for the most part, but they came off less like the rebellious bruisers they're usually portrayed as and more like innocent animals. When Lockdown was sucking them up through the air, I was like "No, Slug, grab the wall, kick those little legs!"

Slug is now the cutest Dinobot.

IMO, the Dinobots have always been cute.

I noticed that they stopped showing the G1 Dinobots in bot mode after the animated movie, and Grimlock was demoted to comic relief status for the most part.

Then again, it's been ages since I last watched the G1 cartoons, so I could well be wrong.

[bassal]

Sorry if this already was mentioned (lotta pages in this thread)

But did anyone else find the Dinobots adorable?

I think it's because they didn't talk and remained in their dino modes for the most part, but they came off less like the rebellious bruisers they're usually portrayed as and more like innocent animals. When Lockdown was sucking them up through the air, I was like "No, Slug, grab the wall, kick those little legs!"

Slug is now the cutest Dinobot.

IMO, the Dinobots have always been cute.

I noticed that they stopped showing the G1 Dinobots in bot mode after the animated movie, and Grimlock was demoted to comic relief status for the most part.

Then again, it's been ages since I last watched the G1 cartoons, so I could well be wrong.

Actually, you are right. The Dinobots barely appeared anymore after the movie, with the exception of Grimlock. A pity, really.

[ZeroWolf]

Where the Dinobots readily available during '86- '87 ? That could be a reason as to why they stopped appearing properly.

[Rodimus Prime]

You've pushed me 2 far and u know who i am, and now where to find me.

Actually we don't. You're not in Miami at all by any chance? I need someone to pick me up a Metroplex that's owed to me.

He is from Miami? That explains a LOT.

As for Galvatron...it would be a really good twist if he really was a zombie copy of Megatron.

[That_Guy]

You've pushed me 2 far and u know who i am, and now where to find me.

Actually we don't. You're not in Miami at all by any chance? I need someone to pick me up a Metroplex that's owed to me.

He is from Miami? That explains a LOT.

As for Galvatron...it would be a really good twist if he really was a zombie copy of Megatron.

Transformers 5: The Transforming Dead; a Michael bay film.

[Sabrblade]

Sorry if this already was mentioned (lotta pages in this thread)

But did anyone else find the Dinobots adorable?

I think it's because they didn't talk and remained in their dino modes for the most part, but they came off less like the rebellious bruisers they're usually portrayed as and more like innocent animals. When Lockdown was sucking them up through the air, I was like "No, Slug, grab the wall, kick those little legs!"

Slug is now the cutest Dinobot.

Yes. Yes! YES! Slug was so CUTE in this movie! Forget Grimlock, Prime, and Bee, I want a SLUG plushie!

It looks like the AoE Dinobots are based kinda off Brave Exkaiser show designs. Especially the heads:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmPP2kRP5DM Is it just me or does AoE Snarl look a lot like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Onss3GyaY

Funny you should bring up the Geisters from Brave Exkaiser in relation to the Dinobots since, rather than the AOE Dinobots being based on the Geisters, it was the Geisters who were based on the G1 Dinobots.

Horn Geist was based on G1 Slag's toy:


Thunder Geist was based on G1 Sludge's toy:


Armor Geist was based on G1 Snarl's toy:


And Ptera Geist was based on G1 Swoop's toy:


Though, none of them received any toys of their own (bummer), their leader did. Red Geist, who surprisingly was not based on G1 Grimlock's toy, was a straight redeco of Deszaras's toy from Transformers Victory:

[ZeroWolf]

You've pushed me 2 far and u know who i am, and now where to find me.

Actually we don't. You're not in Miami at all by any chance? I need someone to pick me up a Metroplex that's owed to me.

He is from Miami? That explains a LOT.

As for Galvatron...it would be a really good twist if he really was a zombie copy of Megatron.

Transformers 5: The Transforming Dead; a Michael bay film.

I think I'll wait for Transformers 6: Transforming dead vs Ash: Hail to the king.