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Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Apollo-XL5 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:02 am

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I personally have no problem with Honest Trailers, Cinemasins or HISHE poking fun at Transformers, hell I will even enjoy it if I find it funny (like HT's Man of Steel Trailer or the first Star Trek etc).

But this one was just not funny in my opinion, because it just boiled down to just Bay bashing (which we have heard time and again, the same jokes and nitpicks). If their going to do another Honest Trailer (and they still have Dark of the Moon to touch on...which I think is far worse than Age of Extinction), they really have to come up with some new material.
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Postby vectorsigma757 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:20 am

CinemaSins and Screen Junkies do this as a labor of love for films in general, even films that they personally love. You don't see them going after films that are so obscure that no one has heard of them.

Satire/parody can sometimes help a fan appreciate the source material more if it's done out of (tough) love.

For example, I love DragonBall Z. There is a group called TeamFourStar that does a show online called DBZ Abridged. It rips the source material apart at times but makes its own alternate story. They also emphasize supporting the original release (probably for legal reasons). They haven't been shut down yet.

Also, Red vs. Blue was a parody of the Halo series. Instead of getting shut down, they were actually hired by Microsoft/Bungie to make more with better technology.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Apollo-XL5 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:22 am

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I'm not bashing Honest Trailers, CinemaSins or HISHE. I love the work they have done in the past (even if it was a film I really liked), I was just saying that the new AOE Honest Trailer was not very good when you compare it to their past ones.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby ricemazter » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:41 am

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Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!

Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby vectorsigma757 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:07 am

ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!

Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?


Trans-Organic. Watch out for Beast Machines!!!!
They definitely seem to suggest Quintessons (although they will probably have another name).
They could be going for the route of the Quints creating the All-spark/Matrix instead of a Primus origin. They could be doing a little of both (Unicron? Primacron?).

Before we criticize transformium too much, G1 had electrum in the lagoon. Although the results were more awesome there...........
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:27 pm

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ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!

Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?




The creators used the Allspark to make the Transformers obviously




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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:31 pm

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ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!

Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?
Short answer: We don't know.

Long answer: We don't know since any answer to this has yet to be told. There were no comics or novels for this movie, so we have no supplementary material to help fill in the blanks on things the movie didn't explain. We don't know why they decided to change the origin story given in the first movie with this movie, so all we can hope for (but I wouldn't hold any expectations for) the next movie to fill in the blanks. Why I don't say that we hope for some new Movie comics to come along and explain things is because IDW is currently done with the Movieverse for the time being and want to focus more on the stuff they've already got coming down the pipeline.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:41 pm

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mirageandjazz1197 wrote:The creators used the Allspark to make the Transformers obviously




It's really not that hard if you payed attention.
That's just your own speculation, not what any official canon material has said.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby vectorsigma757 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:56 pm

On another, "Everything wrong with" tangent, Optimus was being taken to the creators. He's broken free, defeats Decepticons and Cemetery Wind. Prevents the seed from going off. Then going off to find the creators anyway.

Since he was "done" with humanity, he might as well let himself be taken anyway (Lockdown didn't seem intent on killing him). He didn't take backup, so the result should have been about the same. Optimus was either divided on whether he was truly done with Earth, or his vendetta with Megatron/Galvatron was just that strong (which is a case that is still open).
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Blast Cannon » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:28 pm

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vectorsigma757 wrote:On another, "Everything wrong with" tangent, Optimus was being taken to the creators. He's broken free, defeats Decepticons and Cemetery Wind. Prevents the seed from going off. Then going off to find the creators anyway.

Since he was "done" with humanity, he might as well let himself be taken anyway (Lockdown didn't seem intent on killing him). He didn't take backup, so the result should have been about the same. Optimus was either divided on whether he was truly done with Earth, or his vendetta with Megatron/Galvatron was just that strong (which is a case that is still open).


Except that there's a slight difference between arriving to confront your creator in chains and arriving to confront them holding a gun. That's if he arrives at all, having gone with the plan involving interstellar travel on nothing more than a jetpack...
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby vectorsigma757 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:58 pm

Blast Cannon wrote:
vectorsigma757 wrote:On another, "Everything wrong with" tangent, Optimus was being taken to the creators. He's broken free, defeats Decepticons and Cemetery Wind. Prevents the seed from going off. Then going off to find the creators anyway.

Since he was "done" with humanity, he might as well let himself be taken anyway (Lockdown didn't seem intent on killing him). He didn't take backup, so the result should have been about the same. Optimus was either divided on whether he was truly done with Earth, or his vendetta with Megatron/Galvatron was just that strong (which is a case that is still open).


Except that there's a slight difference between arriving to confront your creator in chains and arriving to confront them holding a gun. That's if he arrives at all, having gone with the plan involving interstellar travel on nothing more than a jetpack...


Yea, but as you have pointed out, that's like the difference between epic fail and failing awesomely. Either way, you don't want to find out if your creator has an On/Off button for you as they play "The Touch".

Oh, and I'm sure Optimus will sprout more vague super powers the longer he carries that Sword of Judgement (if that is the movie name for it).
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Bumblevivisector » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:27 pm

vectorsigma757 wrote:
Blast Cannon wrote:
vectorsigma757 wrote:On another, "Everything wrong with" tangent, Optimus was being taken to the creators. He's broken free, defeats Decepticons and Cemetery Wind. Prevents the seed from going off. Then going off to find the creators anyway.

Since he was "done" with humanity, he might as well let himself be taken anyway (Lockdown didn't seem intent on killing him). He didn't take backup, so the result should have been about the same. Optimus was either divided on whether he was truly done with Earth, or his vendetta with Megatron/Galvatron was just that strong (which is a case that is still open).


Except that there's a slight difference between arriving to confront your creator in chains and arriving to confront them holding a gun. That's if he arrives at all, having gone with the plan involving interstellar travel on nothing more than a jetpack...


Yea, but as you have pointed out, that's like the difference between epic fail and failing awesomely. Either way, you don't want to find out if your creator has an On/Off button for you as they play "The Touch".

Oh, and I'm sure Optimus will sprout more vague super powers the longer he carries that Sword of Judgement.
You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him. The last we see of it is China's air force picking it apart, so is it now in their government's hands? All those semi-sacred weapons, plus those (possibly innocent) aliens Lockdown captured? Well, maybe it was too damaged to sustain space flight by battle's end, but for that matter, wouldn't its navigation computers have the creators' location, or at least a hint that would narrow down Prime's search?

I haven't read this entire thread, so sorry if this has already been dissected.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Smokescreen » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:00 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:\The Fallen is first mentioned in the Dreamwave comic miniseries, The War Within: The Dark Ages, and the movie version of his character appears in the Revenge of the Fallen prequel comics. All of these comics were available in the US.


Hmm.. Well I have all of "The War Within" series. Can't say I ever saw the "Dark Ages" series. Thought I had heard Fallen was introduced in some UK comics around the time of the Generation 2 series. But heck, I could be wrong.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:In other words i would not know but i don't like seeing what i enjoy be insulted.


Same here, but the problem is, that Bay insulted the entire franchise with these movies. At least to fans such as myself. And I've been a fan of Transformers since 1984.

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Why are you people like this?


Because we are human?


SlyTF1 wrote:I'm asking him to prove his claims. It's one thing not to like a movie. It's another to claim that you wasted brain cells while watching it. If it's a fact that it was one of the worst movies he's ever seen, I want to know why.


He has to prove he wasted brain cells? I think some people waste brain cells reading what you write.. in my opinion.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Smokescreen » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:20 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:
Galvatron did do something. He started an entire Decepticon uprising. For the past 5 years, there had been no true Decepticon order. Just a bunch of refugees running around Earth, being hunted by Cemetery Wind. Now, the Decepticons are back to at least some semblance of power. And the humor wasn't toilet humor. I can't think of a single joke that was.

And yes, I do like ROTF. So, using that as an "insult," doesn't bother me at all. I'm trying my best to be calm about this.


Newsflash, Galvatron didn't do any of that. Galvatron had nothing to do with Cemetery wind. He didn't start a Decepticon uprising. He manipulated drones to his will in the same manner as Terminator 3.

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The Dinobots have always been like that, though. You have to best them and hold them at gunpoint to get them to do anything. Optimus was tired, pissed off, and ready to end it. What else was he supposed to do?


Not true.. I didn't see Optimus hold a gun to the Dinobots. They didn't have to fight in the first place.

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Autobot032 wrote:You know what? This back and forth and claims of racism, all of it needs to stop. Seriously.


Yes, no more bashing Autobots or Decepticons, or Klingons, or Quintessons, or bee people from sector 1836....

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
IMO, it really boils down to how product placement is added into a movie. Some of it could have been less obvious, though.


Oh you mean like how Bay slowed down the movie during a big explosion scene just so you could see the bus depot/billboard/sign.. whatever it was that was showing off Victoria Secrets?

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ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!

Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?


The creators used the Allspark to make the Transformers obviously

It's really not that hard if you payed attention.


Please explain all mighty wise and knowledgeable one. (I personally agree with rice here.

Bumblevivisector wrote:
Yea, but as you have pointed out, that's like the difference between epic fail and failing awesomely. Either way, you don't want to find out if your creator has an On/Off button for you as they play "The Touch".


... "You've got the TOUCH! You've got the POWER!!! YEAHHH"

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I haven't read this entire thread, so sorry if this has already been dissected.


It's all good. Just watch for those Nasty Dissecticons.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:49 pm

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Cthulhunicron wrote:\The Fallen is first mentioned in the Dreamwave comic miniseries, The War Within: The Dark Ages, and the movie version of his character appears in the Revenge of the Fallen prequel comics. All of these comics were available in the US.


Hmm.. Well I have all of "The War Within" series. Can't say I ever saw the "Dark Ages" series. Thought I had heard Fallen was introduced in some UK comics around the time of the Generation 2 series. But heck, I could be wrong.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:In other words i would not know but i don't like seeing what i enjoy be insulted.


Same here, but the problem is, that Bay insulted the entire franchise with these movies. At least to fans such as myself. And I've been a fan of Transformers since 1984.


First point) you may be getting confused with either Jihaxus or the Leige Maximo. Those two turned up around that time period. The fallen definitely appeared within the dark ages series.

Second point) I thought we proved that the writers, producers were more at fault then Bay? Plus with the movies being so successful, we as fans have to appreciate that fact. The brand now gets more recognition then ever. Also at the.end of the day, Hasbro ownes this brand, I don't think they would agree with you about the insult thing, remember we revolve around transformers not the other way around. The brand may go places we don't like, have representations we don't agree with. In that case just focus on the aspect of the brand you like best :)

We as a fandom need to move away from saying stuff like Bay attacked my childhood or bays ruining transformers forever. Neither is true.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:49 pm

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IMO, it really boils down to how product placement is added into a movie. Some of it could have been less obvious, though.


Oh you mean like how Bay slowed down the movie during a big explosion scene just so you could see the bus depot/billboard/sign.. whatever it was that was showing off Victoria Secrets?



Yup. That, and the bottles of Bud Light scattered on the street. Gosh, the one time I try to be diplomatic and gracious about a Bay movie.... :lol:
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Smokescreen » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:29 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:First point) you may be getting confused with either Jihaxus or the Leige Maximo. Those two turned up around that time period. The fallen definitely appeared within the dark ages series.


It's quite possible

ZeroWolf wrote:Second point) I thought we proved that the writers, producers were more at fault then Bay? Plus with the movies being so successful, we as fans have to appreciate that fact. The brand now gets more recognition then ever. Also at the.end of the day, Hasbro ownes this brand, I don't think they would agree with you about the insult thing, remember we revolve around transformers not the other way around. The brand may go places we don't like, have representations we don't agree with. In that case just focus on the aspect of the brand you like best :)

We as a fandom need to move away from saying stuff like Bay attacked my childhood or bays ruining transformers forever. Neither is true.


Shhh.. you're scaring the drones away.. lol.. yeah yeah.. I know.. writers.. bleh.. its so much easier just to say Bay. Kinda clumps it all into one. I've liked all of the US Transformers stories so far, except for Beast Machines and the last 3 movies in the live action series. Everything else has been pretty cool. Yeah I know theres been some turns and twists such as Armada with the Minicons, and Energon with powerlinking, and Cybertron with the keys.. but it made things more interesting. Animated gave a fun look to the Transformers. Prime brought it back to somewhere between G1 and Beast Wars. I liked the first movie and the way things were being laid out as far as a story line goes.. but from there.. things just didn't seem to come together very well. So to focus on a story line, isn't exactly something I can do with as many as there have been. Heck I even liked the comics where they had a WWII rendition of the story. I know I haven't read EVERY SINGLE COMIC OUT THERE.. but I've got a lot of them.. even the special limited covers that dealers get for ordering more than 50 copies.. I'm just disappointed in the way the movie story line went.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Yup. That, and the bottles of Bud Light scattered on the street. Gosh, the one time I try to be diplomatic and gracious about a Bay movie.... :lol:


my apologies.. :BOOM:
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:25 pm

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Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.


My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.

Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:20 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.


My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.

Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.




Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?



If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:17 pm

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Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.


My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.

Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.




Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?



If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)


I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.

Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.

Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.

Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Smokescreen » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:33 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.


Or simply don't think. :lol:
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:58 pm

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Smokescreen wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.


Or simply don't think. :lol:


No need to be like that.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:02 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.


My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.

Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.




Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?



If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)


I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.

Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.

Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.

Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.


I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:31 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.


My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.

Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.




Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?



If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)


I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.

Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.

Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.

Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.



I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.


How is it obvious that the ship was retreating? The ship was still hanging around in the background up to the very last moments until the camera closed in on the humans and Autobots, and was never shown leaving Earth.

If you want to believe that they could have left Earth in those few seconds when the camera was focused on Optimus and everyone else, feel free to do so. It's your right. But it's also my right to want to see something confirmed on camera.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:44 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.


My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.

Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.




Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?



If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)


I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.

Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.

Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.

Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.



I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.


How is it obvious that the ship was retreating? The ship was still hanging around in the background up to the very last moments until the camera closed in on the humans and Autobots, and was never shown leaving Earth.

If you want to believe that they could have left Earth in those few seconds when the camera was focused on Optimus and everyone else, feel free to do so. It's your right. But it's also my right to want to see something confirmed on camera.


The ship was moving away from the city. And remember, it takes a minimum of 7 minutes for the dark matter drives to kick in, so it can travel at light speed. If they showed it leaving within that short amount of time, more people would have been complaining about "plot holes." And that would have been a legitimate plot hole. Yeah, they could have showed it leaving Earth after the credits, but what if it didn't? Bay did say that before the movie even came out that the ship had a story of its own, and would probably be expanded upon in the future.

Honestly, the first few times I watched the movie, I though the KSI drones raided the ship.
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