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ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!
Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?
ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!
Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Short answer: We don't know.ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!
Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
That's just your own speculation, not what any official canon material has said.mirageandjazz1197 wrote:The creators used the Allspark to make the Transformers obviously
It's really not that hard if you payed attention.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
vectorsigma757 wrote:On another, "Everything wrong with" tangent, Optimus was being taken to the creators. He's broken free, defeats Decepticons and Cemetery Wind. Prevents the seed from going off. Then going off to find the creators anyway.
Since he was "done" with humanity, he might as well let himself be taken anyway (Lockdown didn't seem intent on killing him). He didn't take backup, so the result should have been about the same. Optimus was either divided on whether he was truly done with Earth, or his vendetta with Megatron/Galvatron was just that strong (which is a case that is still open).
Blast Cannon wrote:vectorsigma757 wrote:On another, "Everything wrong with" tangent, Optimus was being taken to the creators. He's broken free, defeats Decepticons and Cemetery Wind. Prevents the seed from going off. Then going off to find the creators anyway.
Since he was "done" with humanity, he might as well let himself be taken anyway (Lockdown didn't seem intent on killing him). He didn't take backup, so the result should have been about the same. Optimus was either divided on whether he was truly done with Earth, or his vendetta with Megatron/Galvatron was just that strong (which is a case that is still open).
Except that there's a slight difference between arriving to confront your creator in chains and arriving to confront them holding a gun. That's if he arrives at all, having gone with the plan involving interstellar travel on nothing more than a jetpack...
You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him. The last we see of it is China's air force picking it apart, so is it now in their government's hands? All those semi-sacred weapons, plus those (possibly innocent) aliens Lockdown captured? Well, maybe it was too damaged to sustain space flight by battle's end, but for that matter, wouldn't its navigation computers have the creators' location, or at least a hint that would narrow down Prime's search?vectorsigma757 wrote:Blast Cannon wrote:vectorsigma757 wrote:On another, "Everything wrong with" tangent, Optimus was being taken to the creators. He's broken free, defeats Decepticons and Cemetery Wind. Prevents the seed from going off. Then going off to find the creators anyway.
Since he was "done" with humanity, he might as well let himself be taken anyway (Lockdown didn't seem intent on killing him). He didn't take backup, so the result should have been about the same. Optimus was either divided on whether he was truly done with Earth, or his vendetta with Megatron/Galvatron was just that strong (which is a case that is still open).
Except that there's a slight difference between arriving to confront your creator in chains and arriving to confront them holding a gun. That's if he arrives at all, having gone with the plan involving interstellar travel on nothing more than a jetpack...
Yea, but as you have pointed out, that's like the difference between epic fail and failing awesomely. Either way, you don't want to find out if your creator has an On/Off button for you as they play "The Touch".
Oh, and I'm sure Optimus will sprout more vague super powers the longer he carries that Sword of Judgement.
Cthulhunicron wrote:\The Fallen is first mentioned in the Dreamwave comic miniseries, The War Within: The Dark Ages, and the movie version of his character appears in the Revenge of the Fallen prequel comics. All of these comics were available in the US.
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:In other words i would not know but i don't like seeing what i enjoy be insulted.
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
Why are you people like this?
SlyTF1 wrote:I'm asking him to prove his claims. It's one thing not to like a movie. It's another to claim that you wasted brain cells while watching it. If it's a fact that it was one of the worst movies he's ever seen, I want to know why.
SlyTF1 wrote:
Galvatron did do something. He started an entire Decepticon uprising. For the past 5 years, there had been no true Decepticon order. Just a bunch of refugees running around Earth, being hunted by Cemetery Wind. Now, the Decepticons are back to at least some semblance of power. And the humor wasn't toilet humor. I can't think of a single joke that was.
And yes, I do like ROTF. So, using that as an "insult," doesn't bother me at all. I'm trying my best to be calm about this.
SlyTF1 wrote:\
The Dinobots have always been like that, though. You have to best them and hold them at gunpoint to get them to do anything. Optimus was tired, pissed off, and ready to end it. What else was he supposed to do?
megatronus wrote:Oh god this thread. I can't even.
Autobot032 wrote:You know what? This back and forth and claims of racism, all of it needs to stop. Seriously.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
IMO, it really boils down to how product placement is added into a movie. Some of it could have been less obvious, though.
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:ricemazter wrote:Since we're on the topic of everything wrong with these movies, I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the deal with the aliens, and how in the world do they fit in this continuity? I thought all the original transformers in the bayverse were born from the all-spark, so how is it they are suddenly all made by E.T.s who look like they're more or less organic. Didn't the dynasty of primes specifically use the all spark to create all other cybertronians for the specific purpose of creating energon with the solar harvesters?
Also, if the all-spark makes transformers out of everyday technology, are they made of transformium as well. Also, also, transformium?!
Why can't these movies ever follow their own continuity?
The creators used the Allspark to make the Transformers obviously
It's really not that hard if you payed attention.
Bumblevivisector wrote:
Yea, but as you have pointed out, that's like the difference between epic fail and failing awesomely. Either way, you don't want to find out if your creator has an On/Off button for you as they play "The Touch".
Bumblevivisector wrote:
I haven't read this entire thread, so sorry if this has already been dissected.
Smokescreen wrote:Cthulhunicron wrote:\The Fallen is first mentioned in the Dreamwave comic miniseries, The War Within: The Dark Ages, and the movie version of his character appears in the Revenge of the Fallen prequel comics. All of these comics were available in the US.
Hmm.. Well I have all of "The War Within" series. Can't say I ever saw the "Dark Ages" series. Thought I had heard Fallen was introduced in some UK comics around the time of the Generation 2 series. But heck, I could be wrong.mirageandjazz1197 wrote:In other words i would not know but i don't like seeing what i enjoy be insulted.
Same here, but the problem is, that Bay insulted the entire franchise with these movies. At least to fans such as myself. And I've been a fan of Transformers since 1984.
Smokescreen wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
IMO, it really boils down to how product placement is added into a movie. Some of it could have been less obvious, though.
Oh you mean like how Bay slowed down the movie during a big explosion scene just so you could see the bus depot/billboard/sign.. whatever it was that was showing off Victoria Secrets?
ZeroWolf wrote:First point) you may be getting confused with either Jihaxus or the Leige Maximo. Those two turned up around that time period. The fallen definitely appeared within the dark ages series.
ZeroWolf wrote:Second point) I thought we proved that the writers, producers were more at fault then Bay? Plus with the movies being so successful, we as fans have to appreciate that fact. The brand now gets more recognition then ever. Also at the.end of the day, Hasbro ownes this brand, I don't think they would agree with you about the insult thing, remember we revolve around transformers not the other way around. The brand may go places we don't like, have representations we don't agree with. In that case just focus on the aspect of the brand you like best
We as a fandom need to move away from saying stuff like Bay attacked my childhood or bays ruining transformers forever. Neither is true.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Yup. That, and the bottles of Bud Light scattered on the street. Gosh, the one time I try to be diplomatic and gracious about a Bay movie....
Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
mirageandjazz1197 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?
If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
Smokescreen wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
Or simply don't think.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?
If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.
Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.
Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.
Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?
If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.
Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.
Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.
Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:mirageandjazz1197 wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:You know, that touches on the main thing bugging me about the end of AofE: regardless of where his new jet-boots came from...why didn't he take Lockdown's ship instead? Op surely knows how to operate the rest of it, and the rest of those blades are surely important to him.
My guess? Bay thought it looked cooler having Optimus jetting into outer space Ultraman-style. After all, they resized the Dinobots to be much larger in order to realize the "cavalry charge" thing. Style supersedes plot in a Bay movie.
Head canon: Maybe he wanted to leave something for the Autobots on Earth to defend themselves with, in the event that Galvatron tries something in the future.
Did you guys not see the ship getting bombed by the jets at the end in the background during Prime's last speech?
If the ships not destroyed then the remaining crew on Lockdown's ship took it (there are still a lot of crew members and prisoners that they could release that are still on the ship)
I just watched that final part you were talking about, and it's no wonder I didn't notice it. Amongst all the major action going on with Optimus setting off Lockdown's grenade and jetting away to safety with the humans in his arms, in the last few seconds, I saw a few jets firing at the ship in the background.
Granted, I didn't watch it at a theater/cinema, so the 14" screen on my notebook computer might have something to do with me missing the details. If they'd actually shown a scene with just the jets in closeup firing at the ship, it would have been harder to miss.
Either way, it doesn't look like the jets did much, if any, damage to the ship. And let's just say Lockdown's subordinates did actually escape with the ship, at least show it as an post-credits scene, like how Starscream was shown flying off into space in TF1. Maybe have the ship's crew talking in subtitled Cybertronian, saying they must inform the Creators of what happened before Optimus arrives. It would have worked as a foreshadow to TF5, with the Creators now ready to set a trap for Optimus.
Personally, I don't like it when a movie makes me tie up loose ends on my own. Although, I respect the fact that others (read: Sly) don't necessarily think the same way.
I thought they made it pretty obvious that the ship was retreating.
How is it obvious that the ship was retreating? The ship was still hanging around in the background up to the very last moments until the camera closed in on the humans and Autobots, and was never shown leaving Earth.
If you want to believe that they could have left Earth in those few seconds when the camera was focused on Optimus and everyone else, feel free to do so. It's your right. But it's also my right to want to see something confirmed on camera.
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