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And does this mean that Jetfire was wrong in RoTF when he stated "he must be a great descendant." And if he was, does this mean Optimus was given the title of Prime, instead of inheriting it? And how does 1 go from being a Knight to being Prime, whether it's a promotion or a demotion?Sabrblade wrote: So now the question is how Optimus came to even be on Cybertron if he wasn't already born there.
Sabrblade wrote:Except that there does exist official canon material that depicts the original Seven Primes as having been created by the AllSpark. So if the Knights were made by the Creators, which came first? The Knights or the Primes?
Plus, there's also the question if the Knights even have any affiliation with Cybertron at all. Aside from Optimus, we know nothing of their history as far as where lived or what places they explored. For all we know, the Creators could have built the Knights in some place off of Cybertron, maybe even aboard their own vessels (there sure were a lot of them at the beginning of this movie). So now the question is how Optimus came to even be on Cybertron if he wasn't already born there.
Ugh, why did they have to bring it this Creators thing to make everything so confusing?
Rodimus Prime wrote:And does this mean that Jetfire was wrong in RoTF when he stated "he must be a great descendant." And if he was, does this mean Optimus was given the title of Prime, instead of inheriting it? And how does 1 go from being a Knight to being Prime, whether it's a promotion or a demotion?Sabrblade wrote: So now the question is how Optimus came to even be on Cybertron if he wasn't already born there.
The war was started by Megatron after The Fallen went Palpatine on him by coercing Megatron into coveting the AllSpark.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Well, that does complicate things a bit.
Since knights are said to be "explorers", there's really nothing to stop a knight from visiting Cybertron. The question is, why did the Creators allow Cybertron itself to descend into civil war?
Could it be that the knights' rebellion might have somehow triggered the war? The first Decepticons might have been knights themselves, remaining loyal to the Creators while the faction that became the Autobots fought for freedom against their masters. It would explain how Megatron, despite not being a Prime, was strong enough to take on Optimus--they're both knights. It also explains why Optimus called him "brother" in TF1, and why Megatron keeps trying to persuade Optimus to his cause in the first 3 movies.
John Barber managed to piece everything together (pre-AOE, that is), which Chris McFeely then Wiki-fied - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Movie_timelineSKYWARPED_128 wrote:Seriously though, at this point, I have to just give up trying to make sense of the movie canon as a whole, and treat each movie up until AOE as it's own universe. In other words, discard everything set up in the first trilogy and just treat the AoE "soft reboot" as the new canon.
It's a mammoth task trying to piece everything perfectly together, as each new movie seems to create its very own canon without taking into account what was established in the last movie.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The war was started by Megatron after The Fallen went Palpatine on him by coercing Megatron into coveting the AllSpark.
Optimus and Megatron are only "adopted" brothers, as Optimus was an orphan (and amnesiac) when he was found and taken in by Sentinel Prime.
And, the more I think about it, the Knights feel redundant as explorers since that's what the Seekers were for the Seven Primes. Unless the Creators needed their own separate unit of explorers instead of using the AllSpark-born Seeker explorers that the Primes used.
A lot of the pre-war and wartime history can be found in IDW's Movieverse comics like "Defiance" and "Foundation".
Sabrblade wrote:John Barber managed to piece everything together (pre-AOE, that is), which Chris McFeely then Wiki-fied - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Movie_timeline
Or at least, only the fiction that's supposed to be part of the main movie continuity was pieced together, as other pieces of fiction are either alternate timelines or separate Movieverse continuities.
Barber didn't work in the Knights as I said he only put together the pre-AOE stuff since AOE didn't exist yet (meaning the Knights didn't exist as a concept yet).SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I gotta hand it to him, though, it's about as coherent as it get for the movieverse timeline. He even managed to work in the knights idea despite the rather sketchy info given in the film.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Barber didn't work in the Knights as I said he only put together the pre-AOE stuff since AOE didn't exist yet (meaning the Knights didn't exist as a concept yet).SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I gotta hand it to him, though, it's about as coherent as it get for the movieverse timeline. He even managed to work in the knights idea despite the rather sketchy info given in the film.
Their inclusion in the TFWiki timeline is due to the Wiki staff having to try and fit them in around the preexisting timeline material since the AOE movie itself dictated the Knights' existence in this timeline.
All on their part since that's what the Wiki staff had to do to prevent from contradicting either previous fiction or the AOE movie itself.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Barber didn't work in the Knights as I said he only put together the pre-AOE stuff since AOE didn't exist yet (meaning the Knights didn't exist as a concept yet).SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I gotta hand it to him, though, it's about as coherent as it get for the movieverse timeline. He even managed to work in the knights idea despite the rather sketchy info given in the film.
Their inclusion in the TFWiki timeline is due to the Wiki staff having to try and fit them in around the preexisting timeline material since the AOE movie itself dictated the Knights' existence in this timeline.
I see.
Either way, the inclusion does kind of work in a concise, non-involved kind of way.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:All on their part since that's what the Wiki staff had to do to prevent from contradicting either previous fiction or the AOE movie itself.SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Barber didn't work in the Knights as I said he only put together the pre-AOE stuff since AOE didn't exist yet (meaning the Knights didn't exist as a concept yet).SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I gotta hand it to him, though, it's about as coherent as it get for the movieverse timeline. He even managed to work in the knights idea despite the rather sketchy info given in the film.
Their inclusion in the TFWiki timeline is due to the Wiki staff having to try and fit them in around the preexisting timeline material since the AOE movie itself dictated the Knights' existence in this timeline.
I see.
Either way, the inclusion does kind of work in a concise, non-involved kind of way.
In reality, though, we still got some holes to be filled since we still don't know how the Knights and Creators connect to things like the AllSpark and the Primes.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I'm still trying to better familiarize myself with the Movieverse fiction, but I will say this. Both the Matrix and Primus (of all things) were created by the AllSpark.
Yes he has. In three places:Cthulhunicron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I'm still trying to better familiarize myself with the Movieverse fiction, but I will say this. Both the Matrix and Primus (of all things) were created by the AllSpark.
Primus hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the movieverse yet.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:Fellow Seibertron.com member, podcaster and professional voice actor jON3.0 has shared with us a new video he has worked on in collaboration with the Auralnauts, in which he features as Optimus Prime and Kelsey Grammer. The title of the humorous video? 10 Guaranteed Improvements To Transformers: Age Of Extinction. Check it out embedded below.
padfoo wrote:Va'al wrote:Fellow Seibertron.com member, podcaster and professional voice actor jON3.0 has shared with us a new video he has worked on in collaboration with the Auralnauts, in which he features as Optimus Prime and Kelsey Grammer. The title of the humorous video? 10 Guaranteed Improvements To Transformers: Age Of Extinction. Check it out embedded below.
That was funny way better than the movie. I miss you Oreo-bot.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Delta Magnus wrote:Honestly, that "parody" wasn't funny. What am I supposed to be laughing at? It doesn't even work as "BAY SUXX LOLOLOLOL!".
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Delta Magnus wrote:Honestly, that "parody" wasn't funny. What am I supposed to be laughing at? It doesn't even work as "BAY SUXX LOLOLOLOL!".
Delta Magnus wrote:Oreo-bot shall be missed. ;_;7
That said, where is my Leader Class 3-in-1 Junkheap Hasbro? I know he barely got 3 seconds of screentime but damnit I want that guy!
william-james88 wrote:Delta Magnus wrote:Oreo-bot shall be missed. ;_;7
That said, where is my Leader Class 3-in-1 Junkheap Hasbro? I know he barely got 3 seconds of screentime but damnit I want that guy!
But how would he transform?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
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