The Energon Pub

[Skywarp64]

He was a joke in G1. What's changed?

Nah, G1 Megs got **** DONE. I mean, by 2005, he successfully conquered Cybertron.

He later boarded an Autobot shuttle, killing all aboard including Ironhide.

He then succeeded in killing Optimus Prime, albeit being incapacitated in the process.

[ZeroWolf]

He was a joke in G1. What's changed?

Nah, G1 Megs got **** DONE. I mean, by 2005, he successfully conquered Cybertron.

He later boarded an Autobot shuttle, killing all aboard including Ironhide.

He then succeeded in killing Optimus Prime, albeit being incapacitated in the process.

To be fair, I always put that down to Shockwave, I mean whenever they went to Cybertron before the movie, he was the one running the show.

Plus I don't think that using 'his' conquest of Cybertron as evidence is going to hold water, as it happened off screen. Now the shuttle attack was good but if the movie hadn't been about clearing toy shelves to make way for new arrivals. Then I doubt he would of killed any character...at least not any named ones. So the real maniacal villains of the cartoon movie are Hasbro for deciding to clear house.

Wow, that was pretty cynical of me. I would love to hold G1 Megs up to the high pedestal of villainy, but he just palls in comparison to BW megs, and Animated Megs who felt more threatening. Oh and of course Megs in the comics...Even if he is an Autobot

[Mindmaster]

Just a quick reminder, fellas: it's alright to voice opinions, but please tone down the language. We have a wide demographic that visits the site, and we'd like to maintain a positive vibe. Thanks!

[Sub-Prime]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

I thought I was the only individual on this planet that liked that about the TF movies!!! I love to put the puzzle together as a lot of so called plot holes aren't really plot holes! People need to sometimes pay closes attention.

Also I believe Optimus gain the rocket booster after he changed into the new truck. He also kind of used it when Galvatron was attacking him. I saw some thrusters when Cade and Tessa was in front of OP. Why didn't he escape? He was obviously badly injured from Lockdowns assault. Why didn't he use it after being rescued? They had a ship that was holding the Dinobots and could also take everybody to China along for the ride. I can answer just about any thing folks call a plot hole in TF movies.

[SlyTF1]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

I thought I was the only individual on this planet that liked that about the TF movies!!! I love to put the puzzle together as a lot of so called plot holes aren't really plot holes! People need to sometimes pay closes attention.

Also I believe Optimus gain the rocket booster after he changed into the new truck. He also kind of used it when Galvatron was attacking him. I saw some thrusters when Cade and Tessa was in front of OP. Why didn't he escape? He was obviously badly injured from Lockdowns assault. Why didn't he use it after being rescued? They had a ship that was holding the Dinobots and could also take everybody to China along for the ride. I can answer just about any thing folks call a plot hole in TF movies.

Most of these "plot holes" people find in these movies can be solved with simple common sense. The problem is no one wants to think, unless the movie tells them that they're supposed to.

[Toralei_De_Nile]

Just a thought; DOTM came and went relatively quickly, hence why a lot of toys sat on the shelves, do you think AOE will do the same?

DOM toys kind of stunk. The movie toys in general are pretty bad, with their cruddy mech tech gimmicks and shifty panels, but AOE figures are pretty decent. Solid plastic, beautiful head sculpts, safe for crappy paint jobs and interesting Transformations. Of course AOE has a good figure line, then it has a line of gimmick flip figures, so I'm glad we got the option. I love my evasion mode Prime souly on the head sculpt. Before all the movie Prime's had beady eyed looks that made him look like a clueless bird. I think the shelf warmers will be the flip formers, while the normal line will sell pretty well. I just want a voyager Lockdown, so very badly.

[Bullycon]

Honestly, it wasn't as bad as I was fearing.

The daughter/boyfriend stuff was just cringe-inducing, though. Every. Single. Scene. Topped off by the legal examination of statutory rape laws. Ye gods. Cut those two characters and I'd be a lot happier.

Still, better than ROTF or DOTM. And the Dinobots were awesome to watch.

[Toralei_De_Nile]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

I thought I was the only individual on this planet that liked that about the TF movies!!! I love to put the puzzle together as a lot of so called plot holes aren't really plot holes! People need to sometimes pay closes attention.

Also I believe Optimus gain the rocket booster after he changed into the new truck. He also kind of used it when Galvatron was attacking him. I saw some thrusters when Cade and Tessa was in front of OP. Why didn't he escape? He was obviously badly injured from Lockdowns assault. Why didn't he use it after being rescued? They had a ship that was holding the Dinobots and could also take everybody to China along for the ride. I can answer just about any thing folks call a plot hole in TF movies.

Most of these "plot holes" people find in these movies can be solved with simple common sense. The problem is no one wants to think, unless the movie tells them that they're supposed to.

I think Optimus's Rocket booster that seemingly came absolutely out of no where, was gained when he lifted that sword. His whole body did slightly change when he did that, so he might've gained a power up or unlocked something in his body by that sword's power. Or (wildly speculating now) at some time in Lockdown's ship of wonders he scoured some new accessories to improve his body.

The thing that really confuses me is that Mark Walburg sends idiot out to buy supplies, they never get a chance to use those supplies, Mark does a bit of tinkering, and when Optimus emerges from the barn to fight the humans he still seems pretty damaged. Then when they are driving away, he randomly gets better by scanning a new truck? To me it seemed like Optimus was moments away from death in that barn... Apparently he just had a tooth ache.

R.I.P. Ratchet T_T

[SlyTF1]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

I thought I was the only individual on this planet that liked that about the TF movies!!! I love to put the puzzle together as a lot of so called plot holes aren't really plot holes! People need to sometimes pay closes attention.

Also I believe Optimus gain the rocket booster after he changed into the new truck. He also kind of used it when Galvatron was attacking him. I saw some thrusters when Cade and Tessa was in front of OP. Why didn't he escape? He was obviously badly injured from Lockdowns assault. Why didn't he use it after being rescued? They had a ship that was holding the Dinobots and could also take everybody to China along for the ride. I can answer just about any thing folks call a plot hole in TF movies.

Most of these "plot holes" people find in these movies can be solved with simple common sense. The problem is no one wants to think, unless the movie tells them that they're supposed to.

I think Optimus's Rocket booster that seemingly came absolutely out of no where, was gained when he lifted that sword. His whole body did slightly change when he did that, so he might've gained a power up or unlocked something in his body by that sword's power. Or (wildly speculating now) at some time in Lockdown's ship of wonders he scoured some new accessories to improve his body.

The thing that really confuses me is that Mark Walburg sends idiot out to buy supplies, they never get a chance to use those supplies, Mark does a bit of tinkering, and when Optimus emerges from the barn to fight the humans he still seems pretty damaged. Then when they are driving away, he randomly gets better by scanning a new truck? To me it seemed like Optimus was moments away from death in that barn... Apparently he just had a tooth ache.

R.I.P. Ratchet T_T

I forgot all about that sword thing. Maybe his legs changed, as well.

What I don't understand is the concept of the knights. I hope they elaborate on that in the future movies. Because the concept seems badass.

[Toralei_De_Nile]

This movie I'd say is second best. I know everybody else hates Revenge of the Fallen, but that is my favorite and before you flame the crap out of me let me explain. ROF is probably the truest Transformers movie out there. Megatron has the most lines in this film, including several scenes of him bitching out Starscream for failing him. The relationship between Megs and screamy is one of the most important in all of Transformers and this movie expanded upon it more than any of the others.

The Matrix and Optimus's miracle revival: Every incarnation of Transformers involves Optimus dying and being reborn.

Optimus heroically taking on all the Decepticons is another thing that is not seen in any other Transformers film. It almost reminds me of that scene in the G1 movie when the autobots are getting crushed then Optimus flies out of truck mode and starts kicking major butt with the Touch song playing.

Combiners: They are also another important part of Transformers mythos. Devastator and Wingblade Optimus were amazing to watch

I think everybody hates this movie because of the human's. It's the same gags from the first Transformers and we expected something different and refreshing, and by the time Dark of the moon came out, we were like 'yeah whatever' and they didn't bother us very much. Also the Twins kind of stunk, but the introduction of the Fallen aka Megatronis was hard for some people to swallow, cuz Megatron is supposed to lead, not some Prime reject, but seeing Megatron devastated after the fallen is killed, I think concludes how important the character himself was to Megatron and concludes that chapter.

Dark of the moon: Sentinel was interesting, but stole the villainous spotlight from Megatron. Also Soundwave got played down quite a bit, wish Shockwave was more than just the operator of a planetary driller. I loved that Wheeljack character, wish he didn't die... what's his name... brain, James bond guy... Was it Q?

Age of Extinction: I am a huge fan of TF Animated and the way Megatron revived himself by manipulating an inventor to build him a new body is exactly what happened in Animated and made me so happy to see. Also Lockdown, another nice character from Animated. Hated the way the human transformers Transformed by digivolving. Mark is better than Shia, even the inventing guy was a decent character. You start the movie by hating him, then you learn he's not really the villain. Again... Megatron's villainous spotlight is stolen for a third time by Lockdown, but I prefer him over Sentinel and the Fallen. Hints of Quintessons!!!!! ^___^ Showing dinosaurs die was pointless. Something else that bugged me, Hound's lines just seemed like John Goodman mocking his own involvement in the movie, I'm probably over thinking that, but he called himself like a bad ass robot or something along those lines... Who ya trying to convince, The cons or the cast writers? How disorganized the bots were without Optimus was also quite interesting to see.

Who knows what'll happen in 'Transformers: chumps of the box office' (TF5) since all the titles have 'of the' in them, but hopefully we will get Quintesson's, or Ultra Magnus. whether it sucks or not, I still like seeing my favorite bots on the big screen.

[Toralei_De_Nile]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

I thought I was the only individual on this planet that liked that about the TF movies!!! I love to put the puzzle together as a lot of so called plot holes aren't really plot holes! People need to sometimes pay closes attention.

Also I believe Optimus gain the rocket booster after he changed into the new truck. He also kind of used it when Galvatron was attacking him. I saw some thrusters when Cade and Tessa was in front of OP. Why didn't he escape? He was obviously badly injured from Lockdowns assault. Why didn't he use it after being rescued? They had a ship that was holding the Dinobots and could also take everybody to China along for the ride. I can answer just about any thing folks call a plot hole in TF movies.

Most of these "plot holes" people find in these movies can be solved with simple common sense. The problem is no one wants to think, unless the movie tells them that they're supposed to.

I think Optimus's Rocket booster that seemingly came absolutely out of no where, was gained when he lifted that sword. His whole body did slightly change when he did that, so he might've gained a power up or unlocked something in his body by that sword's power. Or (wildly speculating now) at some time in Lockdown's ship of wonders he scoured some new accessories to improve his body.

The thing that really confuses me is that Mark Walburg sends idiot out to buy supplies, they never get a chance to use those supplies, Mark does a bit of tinkering, and when Optimus emerges from the barn to fight the humans he still seems pretty damaged. Then when they are driving away, he randomly gets better by scanning a new truck? To me it seemed like Optimus was moments away from death in that barn... Apparently he just had a tooth ache.

R.I.P. Ratchet T_T

I forgot all about that sword thing. Maybe his legs changed, as well.

What I don't understand is the concept of the knights. I hope they elaborate on that in the future movies. Because the concept seems badass.

I'm thinking the knight's are supposed to be the 13 Prime's, but we did see Sentinel's head in human custody, so who knows.

[Toralei_De_Nile]

Just a tidbit, this movie had a perfect explanation to get rid of the racist Twinbots. They should've have just said the humans killed them off at some point, just to appease the audience. They kind of did hint that they killed off all the other Transformers, but just a nice scene of those damn twins getting bludgeons, painfully, brutally, Fallenfacerippingoffedly.

[Adimus Prime]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

Oh trust me, I hate the "turn off your brain" argument as much as any. Story should be an important factor in whatever movie you make, and it's not like a movie about alien robots from another planet is a brain-dead concept with no deeper merit or potential for compelling stories.

I just hate deliberately withholding information, major or minor, with the promise that it'll all make sense if you read the tie-in comics or watch the sequels. Much like Prometheus, I dislike when you ask questions or have legitimate grievances about the plot and the only response you get is "well, I guess you'll have to pay for the sequel to get any answers." That's not engaging storytelling, that's holding my interest and sense of closure hostage.

I totally agree. I have to hope Bay makes sense of things in the next one or two films. But if the past is any indicator, he probably won't. And that is what bothers me. Don't get me wrong. A lot of this movie was a big improvement from the first three. But Bay still took too many liberties. Either Bay has a well thought out trilogy planned out or he is shooting from the hip again.

There were more seeming plot holes I noticed. I just hope he makes the best of all this in the next films. This potential trilogy does have real potential. But Bay needs to keep stepping it up in the next one.

I hope that the 'Bots forge a real bond with the humans in the next one and begin to realize Prime's motto that "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." This out to be the motto of the Autobot cause. Prime needs to come back to himself as the defender of freedom too. I see some racial prejudice in the 'Bots against humans. Prime isn't supposed to be like that.

[Gallifreyan Autobot]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

Oh trust me, I hate the "turn off your brain" argument as much as any. Story should be an important factor in whatever movie you make, and it's not like a movie about alien robots from another planet is a brain-dead concept with no deeper merit or potential for compelling stories.

I just hate deliberately withholding information, major or minor, with the promise that it'll all make sense if you read the tie-in comics or watch the sequels. Much like Prometheus, I dislike when you ask questions or have legitimate grievances about the plot and the only response you get is "well, I guess you'll have to pay for the sequel to get any answers." That's not engaging storytelling, that's holding my interest and sense of closure hostage.

I totally agree. I have to hope Bay makes sense of things in the next one or two films. But if the past is any indicator, he probably won't. And that is what bothers me. Don't get me wrong. A lot of this movie was a big improvement from the first three. But Bay still took too many liberties. Either Bay has a well thought out trilogy planned out or he is shooting from the hip again.

There were more seeming plot holes I noticed. I just hope he makes the best of all this in the next films. This potential trilogy does have real potential. But Bay needs to keep stepping it up in the next one.

I hope that the 'Bots forge a real bond with the humans in the next one and begin to realize Prime's motto that "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." This out to be the motto of the Autobot cause. Prime needs to come back to himself as the defender of freedom too. I see some racial prejudice in the 'Bots against humans. Prime isn't supposed to be like that.

Could some one please answer this what happened to some of the Autobots like two MIA wreckers arcee chromia elita one wheelie and a lot (or all) of the Autobots from the toy lines from the first three films that never were in the movie (!?) My guess is that the were either killed or went off planet or sided with the government to spare their lives

[SlyTF1]

This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.

Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.

Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.

Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?

The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.

Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.

Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.

Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.

And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.

Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.

Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.

Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.

I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.

Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?

I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.

Oh trust me, I hate the "turn off your brain" argument as much as any. Story should be an important factor in whatever movie you make, and it's not like a movie about alien robots from another planet is a brain-dead concept with no deeper merit or potential for compelling stories.

I just hate deliberately withholding information, major or minor, with the promise that it'll all make sense if you read the tie-in comics or watch the sequels. Much like Prometheus, I dislike when you ask questions or have legitimate grievances about the plot and the only response you get is "well, I guess you'll have to pay for the sequel to get any answers." That's not engaging storytelling, that's holding my interest and sense of closure hostage.

I totally agree. I have to hope Bay makes sense of things in the next one or two films. But if the past is any indicator, he probably won't. And that is what bothers me. Don't get me wrong. A lot of this movie was a big improvement from the first three. But Bay still took too many liberties. Either Bay has a well thought out trilogy planned out or he is shooting from the hip again.

There were more seeming plot holes I noticed. I just hope he makes the best of all this in the next films. This potential trilogy does have real potential. But Bay needs to keep stepping it up in the next one.

I hope that the 'Bots forge a real bond with the humans in the next one and begin to realize Prime's motto that "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." This out to be the motto of the Autobot cause. Prime needs to come back to himself as the defender of freedom too. I see some racial prejudice in the 'Bots against humans. Prime isn't supposed to be like that.

Could some one please answer this what happened to some of the Autobots like two MIA wreckers arcee chromia elita one wheelie and a lot (or all) of the Autobots from the toy lines from the first three films that never were in the movie (!?) My guess is that the were either killed or went off planet or sided with the government to spare their lives

They said all of the Autobots were killed except for the five that are still alive in AOE. And Arcee and her sisters got blown to pieces in ROTF.

[Emerje]

Some thoughts, not sure what's been discussed since the thread was started. I've skimmed through it, but probably missed a bunch of stuff.

I was fully expecting the whole Silver Knight thing to happen at the end and it never did. We've seen art for it on everything from figures to bead sheets, I guess it's just one of those things that didn't make it out of the planning stages.

Optimus suddenly being able to fly I do attribute to him getting the sword and changing slightly, but after he heads into space with his sword in hand he's shown flying through space with his shield. Another something that was intended to be cut, but got left in at the final moment? The shield resembled the one from the Leader class figure and not the First Edition.

Tessa sure does like to sleep while her dad and useless boyfriend talk about her. There's no way she was comfortable sleeping between those two chairs. Maybe Bay just likes to watch her sleep...

I like that Bee's voice isn't quite perfect. It isn't radio talk, but it isn't consistent from like to line either. He also makes noises like TFPrime Bee does as well.

The garbage truck looks to be two bots in one ala the ice cream truck. When it transformers two white and green bots jump up on the roof at the same time.

Hound kills One of Lockdown's trophy prisoners just because it spit in his face. While Drift threatens to kill Bee and Crosshairs at different times. Nice guys.

Why did that elevator take so long to move?

China has some very dense populations, but it's apparently very, very easy to find a couple white people.

Drift's helicopter mode was Cybertronian looking. So I guess a Triplechanger only really needs to scan one vehicle if they want. He's more or less Samura Springer anyway.

Anyone else think Megatron might be like BW Rampage with a special spark that doesn't necessarily have to be inside his body?

I really wanted to Optimus to use Starscream's "Megatron? Is that you?" line from the animated movie, but he never did. I also wanted Galvatron and Lockdown to have some sort of interaction, but it never happened even though they were both fighting the Autobots at the same time.

[Sub-Prime]

I personally love Optimus personality in this one. It feels more realistic than any incarnation of Prime. His reaction to humanity was justified big time. The story made me feel more the bots than the humans. After what happen to Ratchet and Leadfoot it bothered me bad. Especially Ratchet's death. He's the least war driven Autobot and an all around good guy in his spark. That's why he had to die though. His death would spark big emotions.

[Gurgintius Maximus]

I am kinda surprised at how many people liked this film. I will say it was better than ROTF. As an action film it wasn't bad I guess, not a huge fan of the Bay everything exploded and a car chase ensued style. Only so many times cars flipping over and buildings falling is going to keep my attention...It just seems like the action is a rehash of the first three.

A few of the things that didn't sit well with me.

T1000 transformation. Begs the question how hitting them can damage them. And expects me to believe that humans created a superior way of shapeshifting over whoever the creators turn out to be.

Idiot boyfriend. "Im not here to help you save your daughter, your here to help me save my girlfriend!" Who would say that? I would have to believe that would prompt most fathers into punching him in the mouth. Accent was heavy at first and was nearly gone by end of film. Useless character.

Jetpack. And he is going to go fly to wherever?

Did kinda like Galvatron for the three minutes he was in the movie.

I do agree that the human involvement and the lack of corny potty humor was a big improvement, so there is that. And at least the Decepticons had multiple color schemes....still I found myself fidgeting and looking at the clock.

I honestly feel like there is so much potential in this franchise that is being missed under the guidance of this particular director. I know, I know, just another Bay hater right?

[SlyTF1]

I am kinda surprised at how many people liked this film. I will say it was better than ROTF. As an action film it wasn't bad I guess, not a huge fan of the Bay everything exploded and a car chase ensued style. Only so many times cars flipping over and buildings falling is going to keep my attention...It just seems like the action is a rehash of the first three.

A few of the things that didn't sit well with me.

T1000 transformation. Begs the question how hitting them can damage them. And expects me to believe that humans created a superior way of shapeshifting over whoever the creators turn out to be.

Idiot boyfriend. "Im not here to help you save your daughter, your here to help me save my girlfriend!" Who would say that? I would have to believe that would prompt most fathers into punching him in the mouth. Accent was heavy at first and was nearly gone by end of film. Useless character.

Jetpack. And he is going to go fly to wherever?

Did kinda like Galvatron for the three minutes he was in the movie.

I do agree that the human involvement and the lack of corny potty humor was a big improvement, so there is that. And at least the Decepticons had multiple color schemes....still I found myself fidgeting and looking at the clock.

I honestly feel like there is so much potential in this franchise that is being missed under the guidance of this particular director. I know, I know, just another Bay hater right?

I'm surprised how so many people didn't.

[Shuttershock]

I am kinda surprised at how many people liked this film. I will say it was better than ROTF. As an action film it wasn't bad I guess, not a huge fan of the Bay everything exploded and a car chase ensued style. Only so many times cars flipping over and buildings falling is going to keep my attention...It just seems like the action is a rehash of the first three.

A few of the things that didn't sit well with me.

T1000 transformation. Begs the question how hitting them can damage them. And expects me to believe that humans created a superior way of shapeshifting over whoever the creators turn out to be.

Idiot boyfriend. "Im not here to help you save your daughter, your here to help me save my girlfriend!" Who would say that? I would have to believe that would prompt most fathers into punching him in the mouth. Accent was heavy at first and was nearly gone by end of film. Useless character.

Jetpack. And he is going to go fly to wherever?

Did kinda like Galvatron for the three minutes he was in the movie.

I do agree that the human involvement and the lack of corny potty humor was a big improvement, so there is that. And at least the Decepticons had multiple color schemes....still I found myself fidgeting and looking at the clock.

I honestly feel like there is so much potential in this franchise that is being missed under the guidance of this particular director. I know, I know, just another Bay hater right?

I'm right there with you on all of this. It's a shame too, I was hoping Stinger would last longer, or maybe get press-ganged along with Lockdown into running off with Galvatron. It might have been cool to get an ongoing BB rival on the Con team, like Barricade was supposed to be.

I also agree on the director/writer/producers seem to not want to stretch their legs with this material, since each of these have been mostly the same in terms of quality, story and characterization.

It's okay to disagree with the direction a property is being taken. I find that means the person disagreeing cares enough about said property and it's history to want it to be as good as possible, even if that means taking a risk and overhauling a formula that has proved average but profitable. You're not angry, you're just disappointed, and that's okay.

[Autobot032]

It's official, Transformers Age Of Extinction is the first film of the year to have a $100 million dollar opening weekend! With foreign totals factored in, Age Of Extinction has secured an opening weekend worth over $301 million! We had reported that it a rather large opening day, but this news blows that out of the water.

Based on this weekend's returns, the Transformers aren't going to face extinction any time soon.

At the domestic box office, the fourth installment in the immensely successful franchise opened to an estimated $100 million. That's the biggest opening of the year so far ahead of Captain America: The Winter Soldier ($95 million).

The movie's audience was 64 percent male and 58 percent were 25 years of age and over. They awarded it an "A-" CinemaScore, which is in contrast to its abysmal 17 percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

You can read the full article over at Box Office Mojo, by clicking here.

Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

[Observedhalo]

Glad to see AOE soar. In my opinion, it supasses the original in every way. Glad they toned down the humor, and the Dinobots were fun to watch. If the movies are going in this direction, it's going to be a heck of a ride!

[SamYarbrough77]

Hoi Chummers
I'm the biggest G1 Decepticon fan, Galvatron plays 2nd fiddle to Lockdown? If my memory serves right with the prior movies, This means Galvatron maybe get's one line to say in the whole movie? I was hoping to hear more g1 Galvy. Wonder if he is true to the character or is a brand new character. Sorry Admin is this is a reoccurring thread.

[Autobot032]

FXGuide has posted an in depth article that takes you behind the scenes of the creation of the all brand new Transformers for Age Of Extinction. This was not an easy process as they had to utilize new methods to do facial motion capture to bring the Autobots and Decepticons to life like they never had before.

ILM visual effects supervisor Scott Farrar describes the show as the “heaviest data wrangling picture I’ve ever done, the largest in ILM’s history. It was the largest crew I’ve ever had – 500 people. It was IMAX and 3D so you’re rendering twice as much at least. Our work is about 90 minutes worth of the movie.”

One of the most expressive, and complicated, robot faces in the film was Lockdown’s, who was voiced by Mark Ryan. “We used Mark Ryan’s face as a heavy anchor on how his face should move,” explains O’Connor. “Using his face as reference, we got a pretty bang-on match to the actor and I think that adds a heck of a lot of detail to the performance because we’re pulling up nuances to what the actor did.”

You can read the full article by clicking here.

Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

[Autobot032]

Hoi Chummers
I'm the biggest G1 Decepticon fan, Galvatron plays 2nd fiddle to Lockdown? If my memory serves right with the prior movies, This means Galvatron maybe get's one line to say in the whole movie? I was hoping to hear more g1 Galvy. Wonder if he is true to the character or is a brand new character. Sorry Admin is this is a reoccurring thread.

We do have a pre-existing discussion thread, which is located here: age-of-extinction-discussion-thread-t100662.php (it has spoilers, so if you don't want to know more than this, be careful when perusing it.)

As for Galvatron, he doesn't receive nearly the screentime he deserves, but the scenes that he's in, he dominates them. He's quite a powerful presence and looks to be shaping up to be quite a worrisome problem for the Autobots.

He has several lines to say and some of them are really cool. (I won't repeat them here unless you want to know.) I can tell you this, he does not sound like G1 Galvatron. He's voiced by Frank Welker, but it's not the Galvatron voice you're used to.