Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
DARK ENERGON wrote:A noble intention that Megatron has is absolutely true. Nevertheless, he still is and ever was the brains behind the transformation process and flight capabilities that made the Cybertronians - Transformers to begin with. I think we owe too much on the mighty tyrant after all,
leaving the Autobots as copy cats.
DARK ENERGON wrote:Another point is that creating an Empire really does spell peace although with an iron hand.
DARK ENERGON wrote:Even before the Great War, energon was discovered to be abundant from other worlds.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Chaoslock wrote:G1 Cartoon: The autobots didn't let the decepticons away from a planet full of innocent lifeforms when they tried to leave. Borderline antagonists.
Chaoslock wrote:Unicron trilogy: We can say protagonists, however, they are abusing the minicons (especially at the end of Armada, when the minicons sacrifice themselfes by the dozen)...
Chaoslock wrote:Movie trilogy: (not trying to start another debate here): Autobots kill fleeing Decepticons, execute disabled enemies, blow up their own planet... Definitely antagonists.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:The Autobots prefer peaceful coexistence and sharing resources. The Deceptions have a 7-step plan for global devastation that includes starting a bunch of wars and killing off as much of the population as possible, then taking everything they can, leaving a dead rock behind.
Who do you think are the real antagonists?
I've heard this before, a bunch of times. The philosophy has to ignore the fact that Megatron gladly lies, cheats, steals and, most of all, mass murders his way to Pyrrhic victory, just because he thought he could run things better than the Primes, in the process destroying the planet he was trying to dominate. Even if he did have noble intentions at one point, he discarded them extremely quickly.
DARK ENERGON wrote:Still, if it weren't for the corrupt Autobot regime, Megatron would've stayed a gladiator, a sports god that every Bot aspired to and not form the Decepticon Empire to begin with. Megs absolutely is a patriot, a nationalist and a realist. And he loves his homeworld and gives courage to other sentient beings who fear of the governing administration.
Again, a point for the Autobot bad guys.
It could,'ve been a shift in Megatron's psychological and moral circuitry. Due to the immorality the Autobot authority, it resulted the worst of the Leader. Just like studying the mind of a criminal through his medical history. Megs was a different Cybertronian then. Thus, it was the Bot's fault. The Bots had left a permanent damage to Meg's central processors.
DARK ENERGON wrote:G1 80's Season 1: In the Ultimate Doom, as Optimus is about to deactivate the sorta "doomsday" machine, Megatron asks if the Autobot Commander will continue to do so, he will be a traitor to his race.
Left without a choice, Optimus did afterall pulled the lever in an episode that will lead to a 4-part series and Cybertron's possible collision to Earth.
A big mistake by Prime. Or was their a grey area?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
DARK ENERGON wrote:The Autobots are the original bad guys and started the Great Civil War. The Bots could've prevented the war resulting a spark, Megatron, who defied an empire.
DARK ENERGON wrote:I'm hands down to Decepticon bad @$§ attitude for a psychiatrist would surely give up on 'em. It was due to the Bots that Megs programmed himself including his so called 'minions' eternal hatred to the Bots becoming the bad guys we hd loved to hate. I don't blame 'em. Just put youself on Meg's mechanical shoes. The Bots in the very beginning were then the villians, no risk denying it. This history was however not written during the 80's til the turn of the millenium.
Ofcourse its a tradition ever since then that we were fond of the heroic Autobots.
So, is it
"To All are One!" ?
or
"All Hail Megatron" ?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
DARK ENERGON wrote:The Autobots are the original bad guys and started the Great Civil War. The Bots could've prevented the war resulting a spark, Megatron, who defied an empire.
I'm hands down to Decepticon bad @$§ attitude for a psychiatrist would surely give up on 'em. It was due to the Bots that Megs programmed himself including his so called 'minions' eternal hatred to the Bots becoming the bad guys we hd loved to hate. I don't blame 'em. Just put youself on Meg's mechanical shoes. The Bots in the very beginning were then the villians, no risk denying it. This history was however not written during the 80's til the turn of the millenium.
Ofcourse its a tradition ever since then that we were fond of the heroic Autobots.
So, is it
"To All are One!" ?
or
"All Hail Megatron" ?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:But then again you're of the Raksha mentality and therefore either really stupid or a psychopath, so you'll just continue defending your inane point.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Hi-Q wrote:The decepticons are without a doubt the greater evil here, but keep in mind megatron could never have surrounded himself with a large enough army to start a war, had the arrogant autobot aristocracy not oppressed them into a corner to begin with.
You could make a convincing argument that there never would have been a war, had Optimus Prime been in charge from the beginning.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Hi-Q wrote:The decepticons are without a doubt the greater evil here, but keep in mind megatron could never have surrounded himself with a large enough army to start a war, had the arrogant autobot aristocracy not oppressed them into a corner to begin with.
You could make a convincing argument that there never would have been a war, had Optimus Prime been in charge from the beginning.
You don't need an oppressive government to form an army. The Confederacy was formed mostly because the Union didn't want to use human beings as slaves anymore. Though they did believe the government was oppressing them, it was only because the South not only wanted to own slaves, they were looking to expand the slave-trading business. Hitler was particularly good at convincing Germany to commit genocide and start another World War, despite having been beaten badly in the last one. Even the modern US Army is formed and maintained just by saying "Hey, you know, we could really use your help" and offering free college tuition and the best workout of your life.
Hi-Q wrote:I'm not saying it's the only way to raise an army, but it was the method of choice in this specific universe, and it's very arguable that Megatron could not have raised a large enough army to pose any real threat without the autobots creating dissension for him.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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